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posted November 08, 2007 04:11 AM |
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90th Anniversary of the October Revolution
Ninety years ago today, the provisional government of Russia was overthrown by the Bolshevik faction of the Russian Social-Democratic Party. Soon, the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was signed with the German Empire, which gave Germany a great amount of Russian territory and ended WWI for Russia. Soon, the Russian Civil War started between the Reds and the Whites. And so on. Great October had a major resonation in history, which continues to this day. What are your thoughts about this day?
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posted November 08, 2007 09:08 AM |
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Massacre.
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posted November 08, 2007 10:31 AM |
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One of the greater mistakes in human history.
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posted November 08, 2007 01:49 PM |
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That's debatable. I mean, the tsars were pretty bad, too.
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posted November 08, 2007 08:46 PM |
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That's debatable. I mean, the tsars were pretty bad, too.
But the presidents are the best? Democracy sux!
Stratocracy is the only way for fast and successful development of a country. (I don't envisage USSR here).
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posted November 08, 2007 09:36 PM |
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Edited by baklava at 21:38, 08 Nov 2007.
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That's debatable. I mean, the tsars were pretty bad, too.
I believe the name Stalin alone ends any sort of debate here  Not to mention the horrors of the revolution itself.
I'm not a royalist or anything, I'm just saying that communism is one of the worst things that ever happened to Russia (and disputably the world). Definitely far worse than tzars.
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For chrissakes man. Are you aware of what stratocracy is?
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posted November 09, 2007 10:56 AM |
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mv o you know how meny people ware killed over the 80-70 years that communism reigned in russia? i think more then people who died under the tsars..
The idea itself,remarkble. The execution of it,false.
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posted November 09, 2007 07:26 PM |
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As AP stated idea itself is great but it has never been practised with success. The amish seem to have the best working communism nowadays. Maybe because they don't have much contact with the outside world. That's what brought most of the others down. One sheep in a pack of wolves won't last long if it stays among them afterall. Another reason is people. There are very few people who can handle power without being corrupted by it and more importantly don't wan't to.
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posted November 10, 2007 05:09 PM |
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For chrissakes man. Are you aware of what stratocracy is?
Yep I'm.
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posted November 10, 2007 06:01 PM |
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Then why would you possibly like it? 
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posted November 14, 2007 08:45 PM |
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The October(better said November) Revolution was a very tragic day indeed. The Bolshevik dictatorship matched the fascists and Nazis in their tyranny, oppression and ended up deforming the people and the land.
It was not just Stalin who was the tyrant, apartf many modern Bolsheviks claim, sure he was the biggest. Vladimir Ilic Lenin and his tyranny, deportations, mass hunger, killed millions of people and created a horrible atmosphere of fear and insecurity as a great base for Stalin's later actions.
Honestly I mourn this day almost as much as the 30th of January - the day Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany. Not AS much, since the Nazi's were one "level" worse, but the October Revolution was a tragic event.
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posted November 14, 2007 10:33 PM |
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Hilter coused genocide to gypsys jews,and polish people,the most,stalin coused more then 20milion deaths of hes own people,im not sure whats worse of it could be even equaled?
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posted November 14, 2007 11:02 PM |
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Well in percentages hitler was much worse, what really makes me sad is that all the people around the camps knew it was happening. But most germens were either proud of it or didnt care. Thats why its kind of an important lesson for history really. People should always know someone else has their rights and you shouldnt be mean to them because of race or religion because when that happens these things happen.
I need to read up on the october revoloution, All hail the mighty wikipedia.
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posted November 15, 2007 01:19 PM |
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The thing is that the Nazi ideology it self clearly spoke of extermination and enslavement of certain people : jews, slavs, romas, leftis, liberals, homosexuals ect.
The Nazis are a clear hate ideology which breeds people for violence against others.
I mean the Bolsheviks were huge swines, but Hitler was one step ahead of them.
Basicly all totalitarian and authoritative regimes are rotten to the core and always end in terror.
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posted November 15, 2007 01:31 PM |
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You're right, the Nazis stood up and said who they hated and who they wanted to kill. The Soviets kept it to themselves and killed their own people. That's why the Soviets were way worse. At least under the Nazis, you knew if they were coming after you.
They are all terrible, but in sheer numbers the Soviets win...not that win is really the word I think...
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posted November 15, 2007 01:58 PM |
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See the problem for me is the ideology. Since both of them survived their fall from power to me the Nazi ideology posses a clearer and more acute threat then the Bolsheviks. And as far as the current situations the neo-Nazi movement currently poses a bigger threat.
Stalin was no better the Hitler, both of them being monstrous mad men. Still Nazism was a clearly hate inspired reactionary ideology, while the Bolshevik school of thought built on a "theoretically" emancipating ideology. The question is to what extent even the Marxist ideology is emancipatory, since there are very authoritarian tendecies, but liberal schools of Marxist thought exist.
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posted November 15, 2007 03:42 PM |
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This whole discussion of who is worse feels like debating whether diarrhea or constipation is worse. Either way, your *** hurts.
I don't believe the neo-Nazis have that much influence, at least not here where I live. There was a neo-Nazi rally here in my city right in front of the Mexican consulate, why we have a Mexican consulate in my city is still a mystery to me. There were a few counter protests but that's it. No one really took them seriously and just went about their business as if they weren't there, unless you worked at the consulate that is. 
There are still Communist countries with totalitarian rule, however. I know none come remotely close to the Soviet Union, in size, power or tactics I would guess. Probably the worst at the moment is North Korea in my opinion, but Hugo Chavez down south makes me nervous as well. I would have to say because of people like Chavez with countries and influence over other countries and their economies, that Marxist ideals (tainted by totalitarian leaders of course) is more of a threat. At least to the U.S. it is.
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posted November 15, 2007 03:56 PM |
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the Bolsheviks were huge swines
Not really... Most of them were actually just poor idiots who blindly followed the man who said he leads them to Utopia.
And it was the wrong man.
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posted November 15, 2007 04:08 PM |
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Good question,if the people ware to blame...
But then so would Germany be blamed and the fllowing orders defence wouldnt' be counted,and it aint,meaning that they ware to blaime.
Blinded by power,Blinded by greed and false promises.
Meny others megalomaniacs used such lies to presude people to fallow them,not only hilter stalin,musalini,but as well as others such Voldemort,Valery,Ka Baleth...
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posted November 15, 2007 04:14 PM |
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...others such Voldemort...
I don't know if Harry Potter has ever been worked into an Other Side thread before and made sense, congratulations.
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