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Not enough jobs? 'X' population is taking it from you.
DEY TOOK OUR JERBS!!!!
Sorry. But I agree with what you said.
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posted April 20, 2008 02:08 PM |
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After all, he had done nothing wrong.
No he wouldn't have done nothing wrong, at this moment. If however, he finds out later that the stuff was stolen, at this point he has to choose. And this is where he will do something either wrong or not.
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What? I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense. Could you clarify?
Ok, terrorist was not the good chosen word. Let's say, for ex, slaves. If the majority are 'masters' and have some slaves, then a good democracy would satisfy the will of the majority of the people -- therefore of the masters (their will of course is to use slaves).
now of course you can't win an election on this anymore, so it seems democracy has 'evolved' a certain point. But ideas 'less significant' are still around, and the 'will of the people' (or should I say their brainwashing) decide this, rather than letting each one to his personal utmost freedom.
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posted April 20, 2008 02:33 PM |
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this is where he will do something either wrong or not
Why should he give away something that is his to someone who never had it? Why the entitlement mentality? My ancestors were serfs, does that mean that I should ask for compensation from the descendants of my ancestors' lords? Of course not.
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If the majority are 'masters' and have some slaves, then a good democracy would satisfy the will of the majority of the people -- therefore of the masters (their will of course is to use slaves).
If the majority of the people want it, then that's what will be. Which is why the government has to protect individual rights.
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If the majority of the people want it, then that's what will be. Which is why the government has to protect individual rights.
Call me a fanatic but I strongly think that sacrificing someone for 'the good of others' should only be based on that person's will, not the others, regardless of the circumstances. Regardless. 
(the 'good of others' of course means 'the will of the majority' in that example, and sacrifice is not to be taken literally  )
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How can you support nationalism if it's what caused the Holocaust?
Not true.
The Nazis used nationalism to come to power.
But nationalism is an unification of a nation. Every nation can take it to a different way. Nationalism of Israel is different than nationalism of Gemany in the Natzis' days. You can say that the nationalism that the Natzis used was bad, but that doesn't make the nationalism of every nation to a bad one.
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Call me a fanatic but I strongly think that sacrificing someone for 'the good of others' should only be based on that person's will, not the others, regardless of the circumstances. Regardless.
It's never that simple. Look, for example, at farm subsidies. Eliminating them would make the farmers worse off and everybody else better off. Should we?
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But nationalism is an unification of a nation.
Nationalism persists beyond the unification of a nation.
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You can say that the nationalism that the Natzis used was bad, but that doesn't make the nationalism of every nation to a bad one.
Nationalism is the belief that your nation is inherently better than others'. So that belief is always harmful.
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posted April 21, 2008 02:14 PM |
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You can say that the nationalism that the Natzis used was bad, but that doesn't make the nationalism of every nation to a bad one.
Nationalism is the belief that your nation is inherently better than others'. So that belief is always harmful.
There are two words in Hebrew for Nationalism: Leumiut and Leumanut. Leumiut means what I said, and you're talking about Leumanut. I searched in Hebrew-English disctionary the word "Leumanut" (what you are talking about) and it said "extreme nationalism".
Anyway, to make it clear, I'm a nationalist, and I don't think my nation is better than all the others.
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posted April 21, 2008 05:10 PM |
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Nationalism is the belief that your nation is inherently better than others'. So that belief is always harmful.
I'm not sure I heard a definition of nationalism more wrong than this one.
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posted April 21, 2008 07:51 PM |
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I'm not sure I heard a definition of nationalism more wrong than this one.
I'd say that nationalism is believing in your nation and in its unification.
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I'd say that nationalism is believing in your nation and in its unification.
Exactly.
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posted April 21, 2008 10:12 PM |
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Anyway, to make it clear, I'm a nationalist, and I don't think my nation is better than all the others.
Then how are you a nationalist?
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Sorry, Mvass, I'm confused... Have you read any of the other posts at all?
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I'd say that nationalism is believing in your nation and in its unification.
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posted April 21, 2008 11:16 PM |
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But I don't see how he can be a nationalist. I mean, Israel is already unified.
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But I don't see how he can be a nationalist. I mean, Israel is already unified.
Actually, not at all. Most of the people here hate the current government, and fight about how things should be all the time. Many leave Israel and look for opportunities in other places like Canada, for instance. The community of the Israeli arabs has been growing and grwoing, since their birth rate is twice than ours (BTW, in 2050 there will be more Israeli arabs than Israeli Jews, and without mentioning Palestinians!). So Israel is not unified at all. I wish that it could be that simple, Mvass.
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Most of the people here hate the current government, and fight about how things should be all the time.
It's that way in most democracies.
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Many leave Israel and look for opportunities in other places like Canada, for instance.
Can you blame them for trying to look for better jobs, especially in a less dangerous place?
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The community of the Israeli arabs has been growing and grwoing, since their birth rate is twice than ours
If more were to be done for their education, then they wouldn't have so many children.
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posted April 22, 2008 06:17 PM |
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Most of the people here hate the current government, and fight about how things should be all the time.
It's that way in most democracies.
I'm not sure... But it's possible.
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Many leave Israel and look for opportunities in other places like Canada, for instance.
Can you blame them for trying to look for better jobs, especially in a less dangerous place?
Just to make it clear, living in Israel is not dangerous. It's not like living in a peaceful quiet town in the middle of USA, but I don't feel like I'm living in danger. Please stop making those statements if you don't know something for sure. Like you said that the terrorist attacks started with the creation of Israel.
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If more were to be done for their education, then they wouldn't have so many children.
The Israeli arabs (not the Palestinians) get exactly the same education that the Israeli Jews get. We have many arab doctors here, professors, etc.
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I'm not sure... But it's possible.
It's definitely that way here in the US.
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Just to make it clear, living in Israel is not dangerous.
It's probably the most dangerous developed country. And you didn't answer my question: what's wrong with them looking for better jobs?
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The Israeli arabs (not the Palestinians) get exactly the same education that the Israeli Jews get. We have many arab doctors here, professors, etc.
Yet you have more Israeli Arab poor. That's why they're having so many children: because it's cheap for them to have children.
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And you didn't answer my question: what's wrong with them looking for better jobs?
Personally I don't like it, but I can't decide what's right and what's wrong.
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Yet you have more Israeli Arab poor. That's why they're having so many children: because it's cheap for them to have children.
How it's our fault? We do the best that we can to make sure they have easy lives. They get our health services, our eduction, our financial coverage, and their life quality is much higher than the Palestinians'. You should also consider that a large part of the terrorist attacks is made by them, so there's an objection to the help we give them, and still we do it.
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How it's our fault?
There hasn't been enough economic development in Israel. One of Israel's major problems is that it subsidizes people who do nothing but pray and have children.
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There hasn't been enough economic development in Israel. One of Israel's major problems is that it subsidizes people who do nothing but pray and have children.
I agree. Just for you to know, those people aren't rich here, but still, it's not okay in my opinion also that they do nothing and get money from the government.
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