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posted April 16, 2008 02:04 PM |
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Because in many parts of Europe, Jews were treated just fine.
I haven't heard of a one place in Europe without anti-semiticism, but it will be nice if you point at one.
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Thankfully, stuff like the Holocaust doesn't happen often. In fact, in all of history, it has only happened once. So it's wrong to say that the creation of Israel has anything to do with it.
There was only the holocaust against the Armenians. It was before the holocaust against the Jews.
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Nationalist. Nationalism is an extremely foolish belief.
And still, we weren't here without it.
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posted April 16, 2008 02:04 PM |
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No one responsible for wiping out the natives is alive now. So there's no one to blame.
But they could be blamed for not giving it back 
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posted April 16, 2008 03:19 PM |
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Thankfully, stuff like the Holocaust doesn't happen often. In fact, in all of history, it has only happened once. So it's wrong to say that the creation of Israel has anything to do with it.
And how would you call Genocides ??
Only if people show the guts and backbone needed that they are doing wrong all the time or if people accept the fact we all are diffentent and let the others do what they want (as long as they don't harm others), World Peace will be more than an illusion. It will be a fact
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posted April 16, 2008 03:34 PM |
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zzzz..eh what the,ah this is boring idk you but,well idk to where or what you want to get with this,no matter how many pages you can type,the world wont change,but somehow i have to agree with tnt maybe,sorry but if Albert Einstein would ressurect and talk with mvassilev im sure you would even quote that genius dude,but like genielord said there are groups of terrorists among the muslims,so not all are.
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posted April 16, 2008 09:44 PM |
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I haven't heard of a one place in Europe without anti-semiticism, but it will be nice if you point at one.
There's no place in the entire world (except for Antarctica and outer space) without antisemitism. But there are numerous places without it on a large scale.
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There was only the holocaust against the Armenians. It was before the holocaust against the Jews.
It wasn't nearly so large, though.
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And still, we weren't here without it.
Nationalism is, at best, an outdated concept. How can you support nationalism if it's what caused the Holocaust?
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But they could be blamed for not giving it back
Why should they give it back? They're not the ones who took it. And today's Native Americans aren't the ones the land was taken from.
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And how would you call Genocides ??
Well, genocides are never as big as the Holocaust, and, most of the time, happen in undeveloped countries.
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posted April 16, 2008 11:36 PM |
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How can you support nationalism if it's what caused the Holocaust?
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Why should they give it back? They're not the ones who took it. And today's Native Americans aren't the ones the land was taken from.
So your concept is: I will rob a bank and kill all people there. Give the money to my daughter. Then I kill myself. All fine 
Every form of government has its flaws. Or do you think democracy is perfect?
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posted April 16, 2008 11:46 PM |
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I kinda feel wrong for having us all gang up on mvassilev like this .
But anyway , Its undeniable anti-semitisim is rising, Not only ln places like america and europe, But in Israel Itself. Its been checked and "incidents" are definatly going up and the number of websites and media outlets established each year to talk about how much they hate jews are also rising.
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posted April 16, 2008 11:57 PM |
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Not true.
The Nazis used nationalism to come to power.
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So your concept is: I will rob a bank and kill all people there. Give the money to my daughter. Then I kill myself. All fine.
No. The concept is, I rob a bank and kill all people there. Give money to my daughter. She buys a house and a whole bunch of stuff with it. 10 years later, they ask for the money back.
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Every form of government has its flaws. Or do you think democracy is perfect?
Democracy has several flaws, but it's the best form of government available.
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ln places like america
I live in America, and haven't seen any cases of anti-semitism. Are you sure you aren't confusing anti-semitism and anti-Zionism?
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posted April 17, 2008 12:33 AM |
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American Nazi Party - U.S.
National Alliance - U.S.
National Socialist Movement - U.S.
National Socialist Vanguard - U.S.
Aryan Nation - U.S., Canada
United National Socialist Movement - U.S., Canada
All Neo-nazi grous, (quoted from Wikipedia)
I just dont see how you cant have seen blatant and obvious-anti semitisim unless it was an innumerably rare occurence.
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The United National Socialist Movement (UNS) was formed in 2006 in an effort to unite National Socialists around the globe into one party. The goal was, and is, to do away with the constant infighting prevalent in neo-Nazi groups and further the cause through a united front. The group seeks to revive the Nationalist Socialist ideology, or some variant that includes aspects of Nazism; such as racial and ethnic nationalism.
UNS has been last approximated to have a little over 2000 supporters; though the movement grows by the day. If it continues at its current rate of growth, the group is estimated to have over 10000 members by 2010.
The United National Socialist Movement often uses the Indo-Aryan symbols common in Nazi Germany, such as the Swastika and various runes used by the SS.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_National_Socialist_Movement"
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Before the death of Pierce, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation called the National Alliance the best-financed and best-organized white nationalist organization of its kind in the United States. Membership in 2002 was estimated at 2,500 with an income of $1 million annually.[12] According to the SPLC, paid membership has declined to fewer than 800 and the paid staff was down to only 10 people as of 2006.[13] The infighting since the death of the founder Pierce apparently has greatly weakened the organization.
In 2002, the organization had a paid staff of 17 and ran a white power record label called Resistance Records and ran "Resistance Radio", a (now defunct) web radio station that streamed pro-white rock music across the Internet 24 hours a day. It also has a radio show, American Dissident Voices, heard on shortwave and streaming audio on the Internet. This show started in 1992 and has been on every week since. At one point in the mid-1990s there were 22 radio stations, AM and FM, which carried the program, but most radio stations dropped the program. With the growth of the Internet the show peaked at it highest listenership in 2002 with 250,000 regular listeners in America. The original host was Strom until early 1997 when Pierce took it over full-time. Upon the death of Pierce in July 2002 it again was hosted until April 16, 2005 by Strom. Walker then became the voice for American Dissident Voices until his arrest in June 2006 when Gliebe became the weekly DJ for this 30-minute program.
Just 5 years ago, 250 thousand listeners. Thats about a 1/120 of americas population or so .
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posted April 17, 2008 01:14 AM |
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Come on, those groups aren't important. I bet over half of those listeners just tuned in to hear how crazy they are. And there are several neo-Nazi groups in America. But, personally, I've never seen any anti-Semitic activity, and no one I have ever met has ever expressed any anti-Semitic thoughts (that I know of). Those groups are a few idiots with too much spare time. That isn't genuine anti-Semitism, it's hooliganism.
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posted April 17, 2008 03:15 AM |
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250,000 regular listeners in America
you may be right, But i doubt 250k would be "regular" listeners if not at least one fifth of them was truly anti-semitic or believed in nazi beleifs.
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posted April 17, 2008 03:43 AM |
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I don't know what these listeners believe, but I do know that I have never personally seen any anti-Semitism.
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posted April 17, 2008 10:21 AM |
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I can speak of Northern Europe, like mvass said, there isn't any noticable anti-semitism around. I don't think I have ever seen anything like that in my life... Many did condemn the acts of Israeli government at tke Lebanon-war! (including our Foreign Minister at the time) That is not anti-semitism... Just like condemning Bush isn't anti-americanism, even though often labelled as such.
So I do not believe that Europe is as hostile as you make is sound like. Unless it is that you think that critisim is anti-semitism.
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posted April 17, 2008 10:32 AM |
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There was only the holocaust against the Armenians. It was before the holocaust against the Jews.
It wasn't nearly so large, though.
More than 1.5 millions of Armenians were killed. I consider it pretty large.
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posted April 17, 2008 10:42 AM |
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Mvas what do you call anti-zeonism?
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posted April 17, 2008 10:51 AM |
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There was only the holocaust against the Armenians. It was before the holocaust against the Jews.
It wasn't nearly so large, though.
More than 1.5 millions of Armenians were killed. I consider it pretty large.
Yes it was a genocide, but it wasn't terrorism (the subject of this topic), it was politics of the Ottoman empire - to repress the minorities. They killed millions Armenians, Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Wallachians and many others. But it wasn't because of any religion (mostly). Not long ago many Kurds were killed, they are muslims also.
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There was only the holocaust against the Armenians. It was before the holocaust against the Jews.
It wasn't nearly so large, though.
More than 1.5 millions of Armenians were killed. I consider it pretty large.
Yes it was a genocide, but it wasn't terrorism (the subject of this topic), it was politics of the Ottoman empire - to repress the minorities. They killed millions Armenians, Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Wallachians and many others. But it wasn't because of any religion (mostly). Not long ago many Kurds were killed, they are muslims also.
It doesn't matter why they did it - but the fact that they did. They killed 1.5 million of people, men, women and children, not 1.5 million of fighters and soldiers.
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posted April 17, 2008 10:54 AM |
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Anti-semitism is a form of racism, and is towards the Jewish people.
Anti-zionism is against the creation of the Israeli state. You know, there are even Jewish anti-zionists, but none are anti-semitic.
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posted April 17, 2008 11:03 AM |
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I know a lot of antisemitic people. A lot of old people, those who still remember the war (WWII), hate the Jews. They blame them for it. Stupid, but true.
Fortunately, I don't know pretty much anyone antisemitic from younger generations.
But there is a lot of Arab haters within young people, though.
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posted April 17, 2008 11:13 AM |
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It doesn't matter why they did it - but the fact that they did. They killed 1.5 million of people, men, women and children, not 1.5 million of fighters and soldiers.
1.5 are only the Armenians, if we count the innocent civils killed by them from all nations and for all the 500 years of ottoman slavery, the number will get titanic.
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