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posted March 05, 2008 03:42 PM |
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Studies show that men with a foreskin on the old ages had much more diseases and infections.
I see. Well proper hygene werent much widespread in the old days as today, so it makes sense that way.
But who have this circumsice ritual?
Secular?
Traditional?
Orthodox?
Or can it exist in all these jewish forms? Depending on the persons, traditions?
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posted March 05, 2008 04:22 PM |
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Studies show that men with a foreskin on the old ages had much more diseases and infections.
I see. Well proper hygene werent much widespread in the old days as today, so it makes sense that way.
But who have this circumsice ritual?
Secular?
Traditional?
Orthodox?
Or can it exist in all these jewish forms? Depending on the persons, traditions?
All the Jews.
This devision to three groups is a quite new thing of the last 100 years. Before that, there had been only Orthodox Jews. I guess it happened because you can't live a modern life as an Orthodox Jew. As a fact they live like they are in the 19th centuary, without Technology... I gave a small example of having 10 kids at home. Who can live a modern life with that?
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posted March 05, 2008 05:33 PM |
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I have the blood in me, but my ancestors converted before the facists took over Italy.
Anyways, I'm what's called a Presbyterian. Basically, we form even-numbered committees, sing a lot, and have potluck dinners.
Service starts with sitting, being told we are scum but thankfully God is forgiving, we stand up and sing, sit down and listen to text, stand up and sing again, sing another song for the Hell of it, listen to the sermon, sing, and then we leave. I personally don't get anything out of it, so I pray and worship in my own way.
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posted March 06, 2008 09:44 AM |
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I have the blood in me, but my ancestors converted before the facists took over Italy.
Anyways, I'm what's called a Presbyterian. Basically, we form even-numbered committees, sing a lot, and have potluck dinners.
Service starts with sitting, being told we are scum but thankfully God is forgiving, we stand up and sing, sit down and listen to text, stand up and sing again, sing another song for the Hell of it, listen to the sermon, sing, and then we leave. I personally don't get anything out of it, so I pray and worship in my own way.
It sounds quite warm and fun.
You dislike it because you don't have faith in this or because the habits annoy you?
And what had your family been before it became Presbyterian?
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posted March 06, 2008 06:46 PM |
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Service starts with sitting, being told we are scum but thankfully God is forgiving, we stand up and sing, sit down and listen to text, stand up and sing again, sing another song for the Hell of it, listen to the sermon, sing, and then we leave. I personally don't get anything out of it, so I pray and worship in my own way.
Oh boy religion sounds fun..*Clears throat to prepare for up in coming sermon of the day...
Preacher Man: "All rise and hale to me (long pause while he awaits the little monkeys to look at him, not the distraught Jesus that hangs in despair wondering why he was stoned to death) Huhum! Excuse me, religious people you pay to see me. Today I will teach you monkeys that you are scum. Now stand and lets sing 'O' Old Rugged one cross your legs'! Or for our more traditional monkeys 'Old Rugged Cross'. **Monkeys rise and place their hard earned money into collection plates that smells of coke resin and hooker stench while singing hymns that even make Jesus cry.
Monkey people: "Oh preacher man thank you for calling us scum and making us give all our money to you **Preacher wipes white snow from nose while stuffing your dollars bills into his sin soaked sequin gown**
Preacher Man: "Rise**sit***Rise***sit***Simon says believe***Simon says believe in me or you will go to hell***make out with the one on your right***Oh you bad monkeys Simon didn't say...
**Pulls magic spanking wand from cloak and begins beating all that did not contribute to his clan of street walking snows disguised as choir members; look more like the Jackson five on coke..
Monkey People leave with perma grin in hopes that they will wake up in the morning and sitting in their mail box will be none other then their very own Golden ticket. They too can now enjoy Taco Tuesday with JC himself while billowing clouds surround their warped little religious minds.
Oh I almost forgot! //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
There that should cover it. No offense
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pandora
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posted March 06, 2008 08:46 PM |
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Its an idea that I think would be really useful. We hear a lot of Biased media about various faiths, and are often presented with very stereotypical images of the religions followers, so to actually go into the religion for a time and discover it for ourselves, and possibly write about it.
This would be the main topic as I understand it.
My opinion is that this is a very good idea to go about looking at religion. Enter into your own personal search with an open mind - and see what you can discover. Look to what speaks to you and makes sense to you in your own life, without blindly following what you're being told by others.
All this prejudice/anger/hatred etc comes from allowing yourself to react without any real thought of your own. The opinions of the zealots etc shouldn't be what sways you in any way, you should make up your own mind from an educated perspective.
its weakness IMO to hang onto a belief system that doesn't speak to you personally only because someone has told you that's what you should believe.
But having your own faith and allowing it to be a healthy and positive force in your life is not weak.
In fact, in many instances it takes strength to hold onto what you believe when so many people are quick to spit on it without making an effort to understand.
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posted March 06, 2008 08:53 PM |
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Panda, I think that you are right. There just needs to be caution as a person that is already weak goes into something so brainwashing as religion can be. There is this desperate feeling of wanting to belong that some will just take the ideas and run with them.
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posted March 06, 2008 08:53 PM |
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I think people got me the wrong way.
It's not that I follow everything the rabbis say. I have my own believes.
I don't go to synagogue because I believe that praying is a waste of time. It doesn't help anyone when you say what you said yesterday, and the day before, and before...
Instead of that, I do things that do help people. I decided to take the time that would take me to go to the synagogue everyday, and to spend it on volunteering. Now I'm a manager of the volunteering program.
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Sigh.
There was a terrorist attack in Jerusalem a half hour ago. 8 people were killed and 35 wounded. 5 Rockets were shot at Sderot.
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posted March 06, 2008 08:54 PM |
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You sound dedicated and sorry to hear about the attacks. There was some attack today in NewYork here.
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posted March 06, 2008 08:59 PM |
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I said if you were referring to me, did I not? What the hell does Quote:
Keep it cool with it
mean anyway. It appeared that was right under my humorous post and thus directed at me. If it was not then speak up boy. When I was twelve your dad was still trying to find where to put it. But I would love to be twelve again so I will take your otherwise lame comment and make it positive.
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posted March 06, 2008 09:04 PM |
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There just needs to be caution as a person that is already weak goes into something so brainwashing as religion can be. There is this desperate feeling of wanting to belong that some will just take the ideas and run with them.
I agree with that, which is why I said that people should educate themselves and be wary of one sided opinions.
i really do think its a good idea for people to learn about different religions - the more we know the less likely we are to make quick judgement based on prejudice.
My grandmother is 87, and a devout Lutheran - but she attends weekly religion classes with her church group, where they spend a few weeks learning about the belief systems of other faiths. I think its a terrific thing to do, her own faith has never waned - but she is able to look at other religions and see the ways they are similar now - rather than before when she could only see the differences.
Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?
(please don't tell my gramma I called her a dog  )
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posted March 06, 2008 09:21 PM |
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Yes this is why religion to me is so toxic. They are man made beliefs and so are the systems and he what is expected, thus making it a cult like environment. Really what is the need? I guess if there is a strong need to feel wanted and loved by a group of strangers while praising a statue, then they have nailed it. Figuratively speaking of course.
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posted March 06, 2008 09:28 PM |
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However the flip side to that negative can be a truly uplifting thing..
When my Grandfather died, there were a few hundred people at the funeral - a mix of family and people that my Grandparents knew from the church for many years.
I had so many old people come up to me and tell me something they remembered about my grandfather from a tea or whatever other church function - and you could really feel the love and community from them.
All of those people were there for my granmother when my grandfather was ailing - baking things, helping out in whatever way. None of them asked me why they didn't see me at Church or anything of that nature - they did make a point of making sure I knew that my grandfather was a great man, and was at peace with God now - and there was nothing preachy etc in their manner, they were simply trying to offer me comfort - and I knew that they all believed what they were saying in the most loving way possible.
It was really something amazing - and even though I'm not active in the church, i will always be greatful that my grandparents have that, especially for my Grandmother now because I know because of them and her family she's going to be fine 
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posted March 06, 2008 09:33 PM |
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The problem with all the religion threads is that the fanatics are the ones who always stand out. With most people and most religions, you would most likely never even know what religion they are, or if they are even religious at all. Because they don't go around preaching and pushing their religion on others.
The difference at HC between the people who argue and the people who debate is related to this. People who truly debate are willing to look at all sides and try to understand the other side. They seek the truth by learning through debate.
Those who want to argue look at the fanatics and use that extreme to further their own argument. They put all religion and religious people into a single category and argue based on this limited view. The goal is to argue, not seek the truth or learn what others believe. And taking a narrow minded view of the fanatics as if they are representative is the best way to further the argument.
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posted March 06, 2008 09:37 PM |
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Very well said Bini
Its always the ones that like to shout that get heard, and those that might have something positive to contribute are just chased away by all the noise.
Thats an excellent reason to seek out the information on your own and educate yourself - the more knowledge you arm yourself with, the easier it becomes to filter out the ones who are just yelling because they like the sound of their own voice
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posted March 06, 2008 09:46 PM |
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I agree. 
I feel I have already passed my knowledge in this topic, and I hope I managed to change some people's point of view about the Jews. Even if not, it's still good that people know the real things, 'cause sometimes people's opinion is driven by rumours and prejudices.
As I said at the end of my first post in the thread, I would really like to hear about the Christianity. If anyone here can tell me about it from his side, it will be great.
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posted March 06, 2008 09:53 PM |
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Keep it cool was to be decisive and stop such talks cuz they are lame.
Just because you think that it is lame does not mean that we have to stop anything sparky.
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For thing with my dad?Stay away from insults,they will harm you but it is not at my nearest interest to prevent such a tertiary thing to this plane.
The comment about your father was no insult unless you believe we are all conceived through Mother Mary, this is how you were brought into the world. I may be twelve but I knew that.
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(I said 12 cuz you behave like 12) Women.I am 17 and still think twice before acting.
Now saying I act twelve could be considered an insult **thumbs through CoC, comes up short****
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Anyway,I would like to have this cooled and stopped before it heats too much
I understand your sweating in the kitchen a bit too much…. respect your elders.
As far as argueing or debating goes, both of you know that my play tactics are just that, playing. But very cute the way we tip toe around telling me to stop argueing. Iam not one sided on this, I speak from my own religous parties. But for those that have found comfort, well that is really great.
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posted March 06, 2008 10:10 PM |
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But very cute the way we tip toe around telling me to stop argueing
Huh? Who tiptoed? I said stop starting fights ..
I personally think this is an interesting topic - that could apply just as easily to the nationalism we see as to the religious aspect Bixie spoke of.
Maybe I'm just a hippie throwback, but where's the harm in giving peace a chance?
It happens all the time that people are led to feel very strongly about things that they simply have never taken the time to try to truly understand.
Look at a lot of the different fights discussions we've had here recently where people post things and you know that the only basis for their arguements is that they're repeating what someone told them, and not that they spent any time looking into what they're talking about - if we could start waving away the smoke around here and looking at things as they truly are, I think we could have some really interesting discussions... that's all.
With regards to you personally Flowerlady, I know that you're an intellegent woman that does have more to say than just get out of your sandbox () so I would prefer to hear that from you. I enjoy having grownup discussions, and would love to hear what you think about this stuff and why you think it - it just doesn't interest me to read you tearing other people down all the time.
I hope you take that in the spirit that it's intended - I'm not trying to criticise you or scold you however one might see it - I would just like to see the tone of these discussions change
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posted March 06, 2008 10:36 PM |
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You dislike it because you don't have faith in this or because the habits annoy you?
And what had your family been before it became Presbyterian?
I just find the services tedious. I prefer to worship in my own way, preferrably not at 9 a.m. Sunday morning. 
As to what they were before, now that's a long story, too long for right now. Perhaps another time.
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posted March 07, 2008 04:03 AM |
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About weakness (sorry if this has been settled, but didn't want to read through all the pages): I chose it because I wanted to take control of my life. I learned a little about various religons: Astaru, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Punch and Judyism, but Wicca has something that the average religeon does not: The concept of a person being in control of their own life, deciding how they want to meet their destiny. I know that seems contradictory, but it's like the difference between, say, walking to the grocery store or jogging there: You get there either way, but you can chose how you get there. And while you are going, you can look at the world around you. Either it all wizzes past in the jog or you see things as you walk, perhaps brighten someone's day with a "Good Morning"
I suppose many religeons let you do that, but I like the wiccan concepts of morality.
Also, this is to VF: What's going on? You used to be nice, but now you're different, angry, like...well, Ashrash during his last apearance.
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