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violent_flower
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posted April 10, 2008 05:32 PM |
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What is Your Life Worth?
Recent bouts of complaining on the Muslim thread about what life is worth to one and what it is worth to another, has made me want to explore this a bit further. So to me if a human dehumanizes another life by causing it harm with intent to kill etc, then that life becomes less to me if I’m the victim or my family.
We have already discussed how this works in war situations but how about in general. What makes another person more valuable, as far as their life is concerned then that of Joe Blow across the street? What constitutes a person saying or thinking I’m worth more then him/her?
Edit: BTW we already know what Binabik feels but please feel free to express again on here how you feel BIN. The mods are banned from giving -QP's on my threads. *Hides in the corner waiting for punishment*
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JoonasTo
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posted April 10, 2008 06:49 PM |
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A good topic.
People say that they would be ready to kill someone threatening to kill their family or friends.
Would they be ready to kill an innocent person in order to save their family or friends?
I would be ready to kill someone threatening my family or friends but not an innocent person to save them. I think that here the criminal's life has less worth because he is "evil".
On the other hand, I would be ready to kill innocent person/people, maybe even my family, to save my own life. But then again I could risk my life trying to save my family, friends or even a complete stranger.
Like I said, a good topic.
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violent_flower
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posted April 10, 2008 08:08 PM |
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Would they be ready to kill an innocent person in order to save their family or friends?
Why would I have to if they were innocent? I'm driving and to avoid hitting a wall at 80 I decide to drive onto a beach full of innocent people because it would save my children, yes. Not without remorse and regret but yes.
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pandora
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posted April 10, 2008 09:27 PM |
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Thread cleaned.
If you keep spamming, this thread will be moved to the VW - also, I do hope none of you are foolish enough to believe that you won't get a penalty for a CoC breach in this thread.
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Anakrom
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posted April 10, 2008 09:29 PM |
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Edited by Anakrom at 21:30, 10 Apr 2008.
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Recent bouts of complaining on the Muslim thread about what life is worth to one and what it is worth to another, has made me want to explore this a bit further. So to me if a human dehumanizes another life by causing it harm with intent to kill etc, then that life becomes less to me if I’m the victim or my family.
We have already discussed how this works in war situations but how about in general. What makes another person more valuable, as far as their life is concerned then that of Joe Blow across the street? What constitutes a person saying or thinking I’m worth more then him/her?
Edit: BTW we already know what Binabik feels but please feel free to express again on here how you feel BIN. The mods are banned from giving -QP's on my threads. *Hides in the corner waiting for punishment*
I find my life more valuable than "Joe Blow´s" just because it´s mine. Sounds selfish, but seriously, what is more valuable than life that you appreciate? And this makes person to say that his/her life is more worthy - although saying it is maybe pure arrogance. For example, I find mine more worthy than *******´s (Sorry, you was first who came into my mind ) - but I would never say, that he is something less, because is pure idiotism, and certainly not his point of view.
I would be capable of killing - anyone who would threat my family/girlfriend, even killing an innocent person in order to save my closest. And killing for my own survival is obvious, although I would be ready to sacrifice my life for few close people (because I consider their lives more "worthy" than mine - I see their future and talent).
Edit: Changed name after seeing post above.
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violent_flower
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posted April 10, 2008 10:22 PM |
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Oh pannie, it was a joke, take a chilaxsten pill and smile...
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roy-algriffin
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posted April 10, 2008 11:24 PM |
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If theres a heaven a hell, If they go to hell then they deserve to die most likely. If theres heaven they would probably thank you or at least agree that its ineviatable. If theres nothing then human life is only worth as much as other humans care about that human in question, If noone cares about a certain person it doesnt matter to him if he dies, He cant care because hes dead and in eternal emptyness (which we cant comprehend, Dont try or youll go mad) but other people alive may care.
Anyway i reiterate, Your if Heaven/Hell exist your proably not worth much on your own anyway Its again how much people care about you +a bit of how you were in life , If they dont your worth as much as people care about you.
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frostwolf
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posted April 11, 2008 01:14 AM |
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I don't belive my life is more important than anyone else's. I would protect my friends/loved ones at any cost. But I don't think my life is worth more than other people's.
On the other hand, the simple fact that we are here pondering the question means that we are meditative, life appreciative and considerate human beings, which would technically make our lives worth more than than an ignorant's one. Of course I'm not actually refering to this question alone, but the search for knowlege in general; I see people around me every day whose sole purpose is to eat, drink, work, breed and die. Not for a single moment do they stop to ask themselves such questions, ponder or admire the things around them. To them, life is a means to an end. Thus, I personally consider that the lives of those who do stop and think about such things are worth a whole lot more.
Of course, on the other hand, the fact that we ask ourselves about our life's worth/meaning/usfulness/etc. does not mean we live a succesful or happy life. And in the eyes of one for whom succes, be it money related, social, love related etc. is the most important thing, our lives (of those who ponder) aren't worth that much.
It's actually a rethorical question. We should always remember that even if we thought our lives of less worth than other's, they are ours and we would probably defend them blindly, if forced to do so.
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JoonasTo
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posted April 11, 2008 10:05 AM |
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Would they be ready to kill an innocent person in order to save their family or friends?
Why would I have to if they were innocent? I'm driving and to avoid hitting a wall at 80 I decide to drive onto a beach full of innocent people because it would save my children, yes. Not without remorse and regret but yes.
Own kids are usually above everything, most people would do almost anything to save them even give their lives. In that scenario above you would also save your own life so it isn't "fair". Why would you have to isn't the case here.
Let's say your father is very sick and needs a replacement organ. Only way to get one is to kill someone innocent in order to get it. Would you do it? What if the sick one was your kid, would you do it then?
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frostwolf
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posted April 11, 2008 12:17 PM |
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Let's say your father is very sick and needs a replacement organ. Only way to get one is to kill someone innocent in order to get it. Would you do it? What if the sick one was your kid, would you do it then?
We are naturally inclined to help those we know. It makes little difference if the doner is innocent, since it is pure instinct that we protect our offspring. Such an opportunity would (probably) never be passed off for the sake of a stranger.
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Minion
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posted April 11, 2008 01:07 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 13:22, 11 Apr 2008.
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Let's say your father is very sick and needs a replacement organ. Only way to get one is to kill someone innocent in order to get it. Would you do it?
No I wouldn't. A person like that is not far from a sociopath; in the sense that killing others is not a problem. Unless it were a member of your family, whose lives you value higly.
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TheDeath
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posted April 11, 2008 02:41 PM |
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Let's say your father is very sick and needs a replacement organ. Only way to get one is to kill someone innocent in order to get it. Would you do it?
If you kill someone (at least without his/her permission!), you become a murderer -- plain and simple.
Then the "Bad" guys also kill other people to save their own ass (or for that matter, maybe their boss' ass too). So you would be in the same category as them.
So short answer, no.
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Consis
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posted April 11, 2008 05:52 PM |
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Value Of A Life
Fascinating direction of thought. Legally speaking, I'd say the value of human life is defined as the most valuable of all other life on this planet except in the case of the right to abortion. I would further add that the value also is given a specific amount of judgmental weight when measuring it inside a judicial proceeding resting on the shoulders of some jury members.
My christian belief is that God gives and He takes it away in all things. This is somehow connected to man/woman kind's freedom to choose.
I think it is a mystery best left to the dramatic relation between our hearts and minds. Many people try to say one or the other should take precedent but I believe you cannot have one without the other to make the right and true decision. Life is precious. I value my own life and can only hope other people carry the same measure.
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DagothGares
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posted May 12, 2008 08:21 PM |
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I am saying this, because I believe every live and every opinion is priceless. I would only kill when I would be in a broken-down state of mind or if it was really easy in combination with torture (i.e. if I was being tortured and the only thng I had to do was pull the plug) all other situations are irrelevant. "Would you save me or that guy" I say: "I would die, saving you both." If someone held a gun at your head, and he forced you to a choice, I would say nothing and wait for him to shoot me. A life is priceless and that is something I learned from religion (yes, I believe in god, but I also believe he's an snow) I would do anything to preserve a life. Would I kill out of self-defence? I don't know. I think I would only do this to save a loved one (btw anyone seen the movie "battle royal"?)
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