|
| Thread: What's the least usefull H5 creature |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 · «PREV / NEXT» |
|
Darkshadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
|
posted May 05, 2008 04:23 PM |
|
|
|
Earth elementals.Slow, never hitting.Tough but still taken down by enemy.Worthless.I usualy put them to my scout hero to block shooters.
|
|
xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted May 05, 2008 07:10 PM |
|
|
Zombies...
I have never ever used Zombies, they completly suck.
It was close to Horned Demons, but Horned Demons can upgrade to Leapers and i found them to do rather good damage.
____________
Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
sovereign.
- John Stuart Mill
|
|
Darkshadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
|
|
posted May 05, 2008 07:13 PM |
|
|
well zombies can go to rot zombies and their aura helps against morale depenant ones like haven.To be honest Necropolis can counter any faction without problem.
____________
|
|
HartZa
Known Hero
watchout graveyards!
|
|
posted May 05, 2008 07:31 PM |
|
|
Quote:
well zombies can go to rot zombies and their aura helps against morale depenant ones like haven.To be honest Necropolis can counter any faction without problem.
Not to mentioning how much HP/Week you can get from zombies and compare that total HP from other castles 2nd lvl units hp/week grow. Zombies sucks deep yes and are extremly poor attackers but you can get them VERY much witch means they can take good amount of punishment before perish-> giving more time cast spells to hero.
|
|
carcity
Supreme Hero
Blind Sage
|
|
posted May 05, 2008 11:12 PM |
|
|
for me zombies is the most useless creature in the game. and now while we are talking about necro. who else thinks that the incorporeal ability of the ghosts should work on spells to?
____________
Why can't you save anybody?
|
|
Thanatos
Known Hero
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 12:33 AM |
|
Edited by Thanatos at 00:33, 06 May 2008.
|
Quote:
for me zombies is the most useless creature in the game. and now while we are talking about necro. who else thinks that the incorporeal ability of the ghosts should work on spells to?
That would be silly, that way there wouldn't be any effective way to get rid of them. It's more than annoying enough already with physical attacks sometimes not working, let's not make it even worse.
|
|
OmegaDestroyer
Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 01:40 AM |
|
|
Biggest waste in my opinion are Brawlers. The only thing they truly excel at is dying in vast numbers. At least with peasants, goblins, and the like, you aren't paying that much for a troop. Brawlers, on the other hand, cost plenty for a meat shield.
____________
The giant has awakened
You drink my blood and drown
Wrath and raving I will not stop
You'll never take me down
|
|
phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 01:54 AM |
|
|
|
NiKitA
Famous Hero
Meepo is underrated
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 03:29 AM |
|
|
who do u think is most useless tier 6 upgraded creature?As for me it is thunder thane.don't know why,just others seem better.
|
|
BlueGumiBear
Tavern Dweller
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 04:26 AM |
|
|
|
how is this even a post named most worthless creature just name it "Zombies remove them from this game, or convert them into skeletons". How do you ppl not like horned daemons, they are a power house in the beginning of the game, and even better when you explode dealing massive damage to like 3 stacks.
|
|
sith_of_ziost
Promising
Supreme Hero
Scouting the Multiverse
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 04:40 AM |
|
|
As a matter of fact, Horned Demons are horrible units. They are cannon fodder, and the Horned Overseers are simple units that have a pathetic ability. For one, it triggers once and only once, and for two, it deals little damage. The initiative of the demons makes it nigh impossible to use it to the best of the situation. Horned Leapers, on the other hand...
The worst Tier 6 has got to be the Wyvern. My gosh, its pathetic. Takes way too much to build the dwelling for something that is just downright mediocre. It doesn't receive blood rage, its a flying regenerator at Tier 6. It needs a little more than that, maybe starting with an immunity to something...
As per the whole game, the most useless unit imho is the peasant. Of course, as a peasant, its doomed to be useless, but look at it. Taxpayer barely scrapes 500 a day with a Legion of them. Sure they pay themselves off, but it makes it a moot point. Free units? Bah, they take up too much space in the army, they never make a good attack, and they just are too damn flimsy. At least Zombies take a beating before dying. Peasants just die.
|
|
alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 08:19 AM |
|
|
Quote:
As per the whole game, the most useless unit imho is the peasant. (...) Peasants just die.
Sometimes, just dying is not a bad thing. Try to exploit this in combination with Divine Vengeance.
As for the whole Zombie vs. Demon thing, I think the most easy way to solve the issue is this: Since both units mainly serve the role of taking a beating, what's important must be their defence rating and health. I think the Zombie, with 17 HP, simply outranks the Demon here, as the latter has only 13 HP. True, the Demon comes with 2 more points of defence (roughly equivalent to an effective health of 14.5 HP), but since they have even growth, even at this, the Zombie outranks the Demon. Add to this that the Zombie has the superior abilities, not to mention the fact that Necromancers more defencive stats will be better suited to support a meat shield ... Anyway, that's enought of theory crafting from me for today. 
____________
What will happen now?
|
|
Gurnisson
Known Hero
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 10:01 AM |
|
|
Quote:
Biggest waste in my opinion are Brawlers. The only thing they truly excel at is dying in vast numbers. At least with peasants, goblins, and the like, you aren't paying that much for a troop. Brawlers, on the other hand, cost plenty for a meat shield.
Got to agree, Brawlers are expensive garbage.
|
|
carcity
Supreme Hero
Blind Sage
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 10:57 AM |
|
|
yeah but if you upgrade them the berserkers special ability is quite good if used right.
____________
Why can't you save anybody?
|
|
Thanatos
Known Hero
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 12:04 PM |
|
Edited by Thanatos at 12:05, 06 May 2008.
|
Quote:
who do u think is most useless tier 6 upgraded creature?As for me it is thunder thane.don't know why,just others seem better.
Thunder Thane useless? It's about the best tier 6 available, save for the overpowered pallies/ champions. It can teleport, use runes, can deal damage to multiple stacks at the same time and is probably the hardest T6 to kill besides the Treants. What's not to like?
|
|
Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 04:29 PM |
|
Edited by Lexxan at 19:36, 06 May 2008.
|
I disagree with that. MY Thanes fall way too easily, just like my ghosts. I agree with Alc about the Zombie-Demon thingy: Demons are even more useless. Brawlers are downright horrible, like the Thanes they fall too early, but they fall before the enemy can be reached. And it's specials suck IMHO. Growth of six is too less for them ! Wyverns are okay, but their lack of good specials and Blood Rage really make them sucky. I prefer 2 Sluggish Foul Hydras to 2 Wyverns. Peasants can recuperate their too high cost, but at least retalialate as Goblins can't. Goblins are still the worst IMHO.
EDIT: They in bold: Brawlers
____________
Coincidence? I think not!!!!
|
|
Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 05:03 PM |
|
|
goblins beat peasants (normally) 
my elder treants die too easily too
|
|
OmegaDestroyer
Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 05:28 PM |
|
|
I agree with Thanatos. Thunder Thanes are very powerful if used correctly. With good luck and the rune that allows you to attack twice, a Thane can kill off a lot of creatures with an attack. Just pick one of the weaker creatures in a group and have at it. Plus the incredible defense of the Rune Mage and Light Magic keep Thanes in the game for a really, really long time.
Before I begin, I can't remember the names of most of them, so I'm just generalizing. As to what I think is the worst level 6 unit, I'd say the Wraith. I really like them as a unit, but its special and stats aren't anything that great. Sure they are nice when fighting Phoenixes, but the other level 6s are more useful. The Wyverns variants can fly, the Cavaliers have incredile speed and cash dish out damage quickly due to charge bonsues, Pit Fiend varients can cast spells and have vorpal attacks (which is automatic, as opposed to the wraiths special ability), Treants are incredibly durable, Warlords can teleport, Matriarchs are casters and shooters, and the Rhakasha have no retaliation. If wraiths could fly, they'd be a lot more useful as a level 6.
____________
The giant has awakened
You drink my blood and drown
Wrath and raving I will not stop
You'll never take me down
|
|
Darkshadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 05:34 PM |
|
|
But they still beat banshees, don't they?
____________
|
|
Cleave
Promising
Famous Hero
Raging Blood
|
|
posted May 06, 2008 07:32 PM |
|
Edited by Cleave at 19:34, 06 May 2008.
|
Quote:
I disagree with that. MY Thanes fall way too easily, just like my ghosts. I agree with Alc about the Zombie-Demon thingy: Demons are even more useless. Brawlers are downright horrible, like the Thanes they fall too early, but they fall before the enemy can be reached.
Are you for real? Sorry but I had to ask...
Quote:
Peasants can recuperate their too high cost, but at least retalialate as Goblins can't. Goblins are still the worst IMHO.
Goblins don't retaliate but they are not meant to. You can easily get a large number of Goblins and if you know how to place them on the battlefield they won't have to retaliate.
Zombies are useful to shield your Skeleton Archers. They can take a beating and that's what they're meant to do. The alternate upgrade for Demons (the one with Leap) is much more useful.
As for Ghosts being useless? That's utter rubbish. They're a real pain, back in regular HV Haunted Mines was uber because it allowed you to get large numbers of Ghosts. Ghosts are useful because they can take enemy retaliation which may "miss" (just love it when that happens).
Brawlers are not so hot but the upgrades are effective.
Regarding Thanes, get serious. They are among the best Tier 6 creatures.
____________
13 Heroes
|
|
|
|
