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Flamingo
Adventuring Hero
Old one
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posted November 23, 2001 02:58 PM |
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Re:
2 Troelsen:
I said this phrase only after heard "once cheated - always cheated". i heard this phrase so many time, from people that are not clear from all "cheating" sides...so i post such reply. as i said, there 5% of people ,that are not cheatering.i can say only few(who is caring about players that are in toh not for a long time?  ) players, in which i'm 99.9% sure.
i really didnt want to abuse someone here, just any of us knows what i'm alking about. and some people "collecting" different situation. when we have heroes parties, we can discuss it, some situation become clear, someone mistakes, but sometimes we receive new information , and strongly proovs of someone cheated.
according to this we shall straiten word "cheater".if we will mention that cheater is man that...replying turns differently, escaping loses, ignoring newbies calls to finish, players had bad behaviour with others during the game, who is braking rules...noone will be clear.
its sad, but true 
one more time, i dont want to abuse somebody personal(maybe only one person, but i'm sure he didnt think that i'm talking about him, and nobody knows who i'm talking about )
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with best regards, Flamingo
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wiggy_wam
Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
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posted November 23, 2001 03:15 PM |
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the first motive of a cheater is to hide his cheating.
the second motive of a cheater is to excuse his cheating.
to say that 95% already does it ... if such is true, then such would be a VERY good excuse, but 95% is awfully difficult to prove. Good luck flamingo ... i think you'd pull it off, but there exists one dilemma:
the forms of cheating you've specified are minor degrees of cheating compared to others (or so it is written in the honor code). In other words, some may not see it as cheating while others will ... while the honor council probably won't.
but yeah, i think u have a good point flamingo 
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- wiggy ... who has a crush on Rob's models. Well ... the ones his age (18-26) 
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MidnightWraith
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 23, 2001 03:28 PM |
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ya gotta luv sweeping generalisations. if ya believe 'em then all men r bastards, all politicians r liars, all women want is ur money, all heroes players r cheaters, and all the things that taste nice r bad 4 u. Well at least the one on politicians is true.
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Flamingo
Adventuring Hero
Old one
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posted November 23, 2001 03:35 PM |
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2 Wiggy
I'm not trying to excuse myself for anything, just tied of players, that crying....you are cheater, you was in hos, "once cheated-always cheated", and this players , i know, some kind of cheaters, and they havent any rights to say such things.
as i know(i know in this theme most of all )nobody EVER proof my cheating, you can ask HC about it, old HC too...in my final chat with HC in season 2 i broke all attacks and noone can 100% proof any cheating. one of last phrases when i was booted, "we decided to boot you even before you come here, so your defence speach are no sence".
people like BP made me angry when talking to all that they had proofs, and that they prooved something, they hadnt anything on me, except their perosnal things, but i have on such people(4 example on this man) real proofs of cheating manners. what are they, i wouldnt say now, but can say it private chat, to anybody who wants...
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with best regards, Flamingo
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Grandelf
Hired Hero
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posted November 23, 2001 03:39 PM |
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no gossip :(
Boooo
Thats nothing. We know each other for almost 3years now(well, not all players) Gimme some. I want to know who is on other side. Can you be trusted to drink few beers with me ? Or you all want to be top players?
Tell me who found out about double spell and some other bugs in game?(is that cheating?)
I play 3 or less games with Flam every season. Why only 3? Because i dont trust him?
No, its just because he plays only DW and i cant beat him on that map( i guess hes better player then me). And thats no fun. Thats waste of my time
Im playing on-line becasue i love heroes and want to have some fun.
I dont want rules and i dont care about maps(im not balanceschaaf) i just want.... hmmmm. I dont know.
Oh, i want some gossip. Lets share some. I have few good ones
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Flamingo
Adventuring Hero
Old one
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posted November 23, 2001 03:53 PM |
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important note, 4 HC mostly
i hear that you understand my words like "lets legalise cheating". no!!! i meant other thing: nobody can say that someone cheated without real proofs of it, and i suggests to penalise hard(4 example - 10 honor points)phrases "he is cheater" without any proofs. and nobody can say such phrase if he was caugh on cheating too.
and again, my posts today were to stop trash talking, not to legalise cheating!
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with best regards, Flamingo
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wiggy_wam
Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
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posted November 23, 2001 03:55 PM |
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I'm not trying to excuse myself for anything, just tied of players, that crying....you are cheater, you was in hos, "once cheated-always cheated", and this players , i know, some kind of cheaters, and they havent any rights to say such things.
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you are correct Flamingo, to say "once cheated, always cheated" or "once cheater, always cheater" is a very rash and unfair generalization. It is devoid of mercy, and is not just either.
Such would be like giving ostracism for ANY crime.
btw, i did not mean to accuse you as a cheater. I don't. I just outline what a cheater commonly does, and what his motives are.
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- wiggy ... who has a crush on Rob's models. Well ... the ones his age (18-26)
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Flamingo
Adventuring Hero
Old one
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posted November 23, 2001 04:05 PM |
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conclusions
I think that all understand fine all that we talked today. and i'm closing discussion
I hope that people after reading all this posts will make RIGHT conclusions, there are some very important and informative ideas.
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with best regards, Flamingo
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zsa
Famous Hero
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posted November 23, 2001 07:32 PM |
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What do you guys say if i will say one idea " 95% of toh(famous, top or just well known) players, are cheaters".
I'm glad I'm not a fomous player, LOL 
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted November 24, 2001 12:32 AM |
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hmmm
I got a feeling 95 % of the answers to this thread are wrong here.... Please answer to the topic or open a new thread
thanks
Ontopicschaaf
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melissa_X
Adventuring Hero
Tiffany Taylor
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posted November 24, 2001 02:14 AM |
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blub
since i help do email for rob in the mornings i read some of the juicy tidbits i even spent time looking at the cheating stuff about knightxavier whitewiz player. It looks to me like the honor council is divided on if knightxavier should be in toh hall of shame for his caught cheating in hk and not in toh. I dont have an answer for that all i know is that it is upsetting that hk or myths is covering it up so maybe it should be on toh so it isnt forgotten?
every1 picks on people like flamingo, but u should watch out more ppl who are 'wolf in sheeps clothing' like knightxavier who stand for honor but have no integrity inside.
i usually stay away from toh politics but this issue ppl are sitting on and i dont get why honor council waits so long on such a big issue. if someone like knightxavier gets caught doing map editing like that why wouldnt he have done it in toh? was it his first time?
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Jex
Known Hero
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posted November 24, 2001 02:21 AM |
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on topic
I have heard the same rumors/slander in the zone as the rest of you.
I dont know what to say..... I am very very shocked that this person could have cheated.
I have played prolly 30+ games with him. So as his friend, I haveta defend him. He has never cheated versus me, and he has always accepted his losses with honor.
I have never had a problem in any game with him, alot of them allied games too. So myself or someone else got to watch his every move, and never one problem.
I am shocked that someone can assuce him. Specially when it comes from someone who was once in HoS himself, and an annoying spammer. But I dont know what happenned......I would be curious to find out, but I want to hear both sides.
The only fact I know is the person accused is a very honorablily individual. If he did cheat I am sure he will admit to it. Either way I will still play him.
I trust HC to make the right decision.....
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wiggy_wam
Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
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posted November 24, 2001 03:46 AM |
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to me it makes ALL the difference about whether it was a ToH game or not.
let HK boot him for all I care. Heck, let HK boot me!
In my opinion, all non ToH games are expendable. I'll still play White-whiz in Toh (I havn't yet), but I'll be a little weary.
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- wiggy ... who has a crush on Rob's models. Well ... the ones his age (18-26)
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MidnightWraith
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 24, 2001 04:46 AM |
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yep, i wouldnt nail someone who has a long history of being a reputable player unless there was really clear evidence. One thing to remember is HK and Myths have bonus arties etc that u need to edit onto the map, so saying map is edited is not enuf evidence, need to see that it was edited past the clearly allowed amount.
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted November 24, 2001 08:23 AM |
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no doubt ..
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yep, i wouldnt nail someone who has a long history of being a reputable player unless there was really clear evidence. One thing to remember is HK and Myths have bonus arties etc that u need to edit onto the map, so saying map is edited is not enuf evidence, need to see that it was edited past the clearly allowed amount.
As far as i know is the fact THAT he cheated 100% clear and he is using the good ol "my lil brother/sister/uncle/grandma edited it" excuse - but this one doesn't count for anyone - veteran or newbie .
its just an question if he gets punished for that or not.
Schalkeschaaf
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chunhyangi
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 24, 2001 09:41 AM |
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if there is god..then god will know and himself or herself will know that he or she is honorable or not..
i have noticed that many players insulted someone(flammy,antal,mad_unicorn or some others were victims)
yea i always receive at least 3 zm (newbie killer)
but those who insulted them or me ..i always have thought that they are very dishnorable players
in bible there are words..if u are perfectly honest ..then throw the stone to the men..
somebody here?
then u can throw the stone to them
flammy,antal are not good at english..so they can't defend well.. so do many players..so always usa and canadians have some proofs and other countries have some penalties..(how can they defend with english perfectly)i don't mean toh is abusing their rights..i mean some players insult some one with their zone friends..
i ask to u all
aren't u one of them?
and especially to the men who insult flammy or some big hall of shamers..(i even imagine if flammy was in honor council)
stop it..
i am so sure that these players are real shames..
don't make reputation of someone
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted November 24, 2001 10:05 AM |
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So you see it as a racist issue?
Wake up and smell the coffee
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Myctteakyshd
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chunhyangi
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 24, 2001 10:11 AM |
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no..but i thought it should been said
maybe u think i am out of issues right?
but i don't think so
this is so related
i am talking about some immature zone players making some reputations
i don't think ves or volunteers are racists..but u know what the situations are ..don't u?
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JTL
Hired Hero
King of Tossers
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posted November 24, 2001 11:09 AM |
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Alright!
Fire up the lamps, grab your pitch forks and axes we goin on a witch hunt...
All this chat of cheating in the zone and on here is a great idea. The beauty of it is: heck, I don't even need any evidence or anything like that...I'll just slander someones name. (although I guess with wiz this is not the case according to melissa...and she would know)
But, in general I see this crap far too much. Someone loses "he cheated". Someones ISP bails "he cheated". Someone gets an archangel from a camp "he cheated". Someones cat jumps on him mid-meteor shower cast casing the death of half his troops so he pulls the plug on game "he cheated" (obscure, sure..but it happens :-) ).
Listen, I've played plenty of ppl who others caught cheating and they ended up on HOS. I've played plenty of ppl and have direct evidence OF cheating...but I'm not gonna go in zone or on message boards and bad mouth the guy/girl...in fact I don't even submit evidence to honor council...I just don't play the person anymore. If someone asks me directly, I'll tell them what I think of a player..but ya gotta realize, it's just a game so relax a little!! Or we can all just grab our pitchforks and carry on with the witch hunts.
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Wow...it says I could use BB code here..but not HTML... I got no clue what that means
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted November 24, 2001 05:21 PM |
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I've played plenty of ppl and have direct evidence OF cheating...but I'm not gonna go in zone or on message boards and bad mouth the guy/girl... (VERY TRUE)
in fact I don't even submit evidence to honor council... (VERY WRONG)
You witness a crime, but you don't report it to the authorities. How virtuous is this?
(and I should learn how to use "quote reply" :-))
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