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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted September 09, 2008 05:08 PM |
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Yes, mod are the right to exist and be played ... But i will not play any mod soon ....
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted September 09, 2008 05:10 PM |
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It's not the same thing, Strider, because everyone agrees (or most) that some heroes are worse than others, why they choose not to post it's a mystery to me. The toh mod didn't take into account all factions, but only some of them and it wasn't fair. Stalkers with 2 turns of invisibility or 3... absolutely no difference. With the patch it's more ok and i have nothing to say about it. I don't know about you, but i've never seen anyone choose razzak over any other hero, or Yrbeth, or Grawl, etc. it might be an utopical thing what i'm trying to do, but you can't blame me for trying. As i said, if you, or anyone else (toh player) thinks that a hero is good as it is, just say so and argument. These changes are MY VIEW of game and to be honest i can accept any change as long as it's argumented. I'm not the best player here (not even an average player), so i will trust you (or any other toh player) if you give me at least 2 viable paths for development with a hero, in a way that it's not weaker than any other hero from the same faction.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted September 09, 2008 05:12 PM |
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Razzak is rox. Defence is very good skill for academy. Razzak with golems and master gremlens can creep very well too.
Stop blame poor Razzak 
Yeah, Elit, you kill 30 black dragons with resurrecting golems and no good and fast sorcery and summoning.
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted September 09, 2008 05:15 PM |
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Razzak is rox. Defence is very good skill for academy. Razzak with golems and master gremlens can creep very well too.
Stop blame poor Razzak
Yeah, Elit, you kill 30 black dragons with resurrecting golems and no good and fast sorcery and summoning.
Actually i think he can do it, but maybe take 3-4 hours in thinking
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted September 09, 2008 05:26 PM |
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Yes, mod are the right to exist and be played ... But i will not play any mod soon ....
You only play one hero/one faction dude, what do you care?
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted September 09, 2008 06:15 PM |
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Edited by okrane at 18:31, 09 Sep 2008.
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Man, people are such sheep...
QFE
Guys, simply put:
- is it or is it not true that you more or less play the same heroes?
or for those who actually have the courage to play random:
- is it or is it not true that you rush for the tavern when you get some heroes as starting hero?
If the answer to any of those question is yes, then let's move on to the next question:
what do you despise about those heroes?
and better yet:
what change would be best for you to consider playing that hero?
So please answer this question in italics. Just name a hero and an improvement and we can do something.
Going like, "oh no, I ain't playing no mod, this is stupid, etc" is just bringing forward my prior judgment from my previous post from which I've extracted the best phrase just at the top of this speech.
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Unfortunately, the utopical idea of this mod far surpasses the notorious TOH MOD. Moreover, it's quite peculiar to observe how the relative strength of some heroes is evaluated. Conviction about Razzak's weakness is almost amusing hehe
As with any "unofficial" mods it's pointless to get agreement from the whole or even major part of community. But ANY TWO persons can always do so! Anyway, Sam, now you are stepping in the tested footprints of a fool trying to improve smth... Perhaps, it would be smarter to drop the idea or just play it with your buddies or you might be dissappointed by resistance.
Again, if you feel like we are changing a hero for no reason, please state your arguements. The more suggestions the better.
But if you go like: "go home noobs, no mod, the game is fine lol" you seem like you don't actually care enough to want to improve it.
I mean, I think sammy is trying to do a good thing here - add some diversity.
Come on people, share some enthusiasm! Wouldn't it be fun to finally play a game with that Yrbeth or Grawl and enjoy it / win ?
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted September 09, 2008 08:34 PM |
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No, i don't play one faction or one hero ... But yes, most of the time Sylvan, they are my favorite. I like original content, just not like mods, it's like play chess with custom rules ... Or like watch top quality film translated by some noobs students  No insult here, gl with mod ...
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted September 09, 2008 08:41 PM |
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The only problem with what you said is that chess is a perfectly balanced game with simple rules.
And if you are comparing this crappy game we call Heroes 5 with a top quality movie, I think you are mistaken.
What you are saying is, Nival did a superb job with this one and right now it's so perfect for us *noobs* to change anything and ruin it...
so yeah... if you are saying that... well... there isn't much to add there, is it?
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted September 09, 2008 09:00 PM |
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Yes, i think Heroes 5 it's superb game... If i not think so, i not invest so match time playing it ... And after read all ideas that appear in mod topics i get even more respect to creators of Heroes 5 I think 3.1 is very good compared to 3.0 ... No, no, Samiekl and you are not noobs, i not say that ...
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted September 10, 2008 06:47 PM |
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Well, you might think that. But I do not.
Tell us: u say u are a sylvan player. So: how often have you played Talanar? Or Anwen?
This is really a shame, because I really think with this mod we can get more diversified games and more new strategies and builds can be put to the table.
So nobody cares huh?
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Zenithale
Promising
Famous Hero
Zen Mind
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posted September 11, 2008 06:34 PM |
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I recommenced the MOD and only changed the bad heroes. I suggest:
Add few tier 3 creatures too all non-specialists.
Faiz: ability 3 times more powerful (<Disrupter_DamageLevelDivisor>1</Disrupter_DamageLevelDivisor>
Yrbeth: stone spike and advanced sorcery instead of magic arrow and basic Dark magic (i.e. +1 skill point; or basic/advanced Logistic?)
Svea: advanced destructive magic (i.e. +1 skill point)
Grawl: basic Attack and Battle frenzy instead of advanced Destructive magic
Alastor: basic Dark magic and Consume corpse
Raven: advanced Dark instead of basic Destruction (or Master of Hex?)
Talanar: advanced Leadership instead of Reruitment (or expert Leadeship, or advanced warmachine?)
Kilghan: basic enlightning, advanced blood rage instead of basic Leadership and Recruitment
Btw I think we should decrease Wyngall (- Tactic?).
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fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted September 11, 2008 08:24 PM |
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I don`t mean to argue, since i can always just disregard any mod, but in my opinion (just to voice it) most of the mentioned heroes are good (Yrbeth will always be special, but apart from that). Should no heroes have recruitment anymore? Why? Are all heroes main heroes? I am thrilled if Talanar shows up in my tavern, as i am glad to have Grawl as starthero if inferno, I have played with him as main many times. And Razzak is one of the better, so it proves we have a different understandig of things. It would be lame with all heroes prepared to get the "6 best skills" (whatever that is) for any faction?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 12, 2008 02:06 AM |
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I think we should look at this from the OPPOSITE direction... we should think about making the Great heroes Average like the other average heroes...i.e. Make Ossir have some bad too... like change the starting LUCK to something like Defense or Leadership etc...
Maybe then some of the Monster Strong heroes wouldnt be the only ones played.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 12, 2008 02:25 AM |
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Ossir is not about skills, it's the 10-12 hunters he comes with.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted September 12, 2008 02:05 PM |
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I don`t mean to argue, since i can always just disregard any mod, but in my opinion (just to voice it) most of the mentioned heroes are good (Yrbeth will always be special, but apart from that). Should no heroes have recruitment anymore? Why? Are all heroes main heroes? I am thrilled if Talanar shows up in my tavern, as i am glad to have Grawl as starthero if inferno, I have played with him as main many times. And Razzak is one of the better, so it proves we have a different understandig of things. It would be lame with all heroes prepared to get the "6 best skills" (whatever that is) for any faction?
In my opinion Talanar is a good (main) hero, but it's not about me or you, it's a general thing. I haven't seen anyone sticking with Talanar when going random, instead they switch to the hero they get in tavern as main. And i don't like this separation between main heroes and secondaries (there are few heroes per faction, sticking with some of them as main just proves the thing about final fights being fought with some heroes only, while the others are mostly used for recruitment and resourcefulness). If Grawl would have a better starting skill, he will become Inferno's Ossir, but there are not many people that consider destruction good for Inferno (i have to admit that i'm one of them), even though destruction offers some good things (master of fire for example). And yes, it would be lame to have all heroes going for the "6 best skills" and, like i said before, i wanna see, for example, a different ranger than luck, light, logistics, enlightenment, attack one. But, let's take for example Maeve who in my opinion has the best special from all knights, she starts with leadership and attack, what different ways of development does she have? I mean, starting with 2 skills, you have a pretty good idea about how she'll look in final fight. I just gave her 1 skill to start with, so she'll be more free to develop.
Since most of the players WILL GO for the best 6 skills, and i don't know how to stop this, i wanted to give some options for heroes.And btw, those 6 best skills are a personal matter because while i consider defense an useless skill for sylvan, other people may consider it essential.
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fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted September 12, 2008 06:32 PM |
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like i said before, i wanna see, for example, a different ranger than luck, light, logistics, enlightenment, attack one.
Play me then Anyway, you have lots of good points, and we agree. However i think its all up to us players, someone think its fun to find the "perfect" skills, memorize the perfect way etc, and thus there are a few heroes they always will like to skip. But nothing we do will change it, no MOD etc. I like to try different things, and i will play all of them, if hero style for instance, you stick with what you get and make the best of it, be it ossir or be it yrbeth.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 12, 2008 06:53 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 18:55, 12 Sep 2008.
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Ossir is not about skills, it's the 10-12 hunters he comes with.
Yea that makes him great to start with... But if you change Luck and put in Leadership... would balance him out... so you had to sacrfice something to have such a great hero.
Sylvan is already very very strong and does insane damage... Starting with Luck skill is just TOO much for Ossir. So making it so he cannot get Luck unless he sacrifces some other skills would make Ossir/Arcanes atleast a little bit less silly.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted September 12, 2008 06:59 PM |
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Ossir is not about skills, it's the 10-12 hunters he comes with.
Yea that makes him great to start with... But if you change Luck and put in Leadership... would balance him out... so you had to sacrfice something to have such a great hero.
Sylvan is already very very strong and does insane damage... Starting with Luck skill is just TOO much for Ossir. So making it so he cannot get Luck unless he sacrifces some other skills would make Ossir/Arcanes atleast a little bit less silly.
Leadership is a lot better than luck imo, because the perks are not so useful as the leadership ones, and you can just use artifacts for luck. You won't sacrifice anything, on the contrary.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted September 12, 2008 07:41 PM |
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Ossir already have his week spot, he can't reach ultimate...
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Nothing's impossible
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