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skao_low
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posted December 06, 2001 04:48 AM |
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well, i dont know if anyone knows this but...
This wouldnt be the first "expiriment gone wrong" in Heroes.
In Heroes 3, the beholder was the expiriment of Agar the Warlock (from Heroes 2).
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Gerdash
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Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
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posted December 06, 2001 12:07 PM |
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matthew:
that was not related to what, then?
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niteshade:
'Well I don't think you can claim lack of imagination on the venom spawn. If you look at the big picture, it definetely looks unlike anything you have ever seen before.'
what if i say that every pile of goo any of us have made looks unlike any other pile of goo?
it's just way too easy to come up with a pile of goo that looks unlike any other pile of goo. because with non-goo creatures there have to be more differences than a few small details. so, probably because it's easy, almost everybody is doing it, so that you can see them everywhere, especially in modern fantasy games (but not in decient medieval art, at least i havn't seen any).
how does it change the fact that it's cheap, and how does it make it less unimaginative? just that a few thorns have been added in a different place this time, and especially because the placement of it's mouth does not make sense, makes it original, or what? please don't tell me it's the bright green color that makes it original. now, if we exclude those "distinguishing features," what's left? the only original thing about it is that it's a shooter?
huh?
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted December 07, 2001 12:26 AM |
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Is it me?
I see everytime I have an objection to something (no matter I have objections to lots of things - is that so bad?) there is someone - actually he is called Niteshade, who has to disagree with me--the noisy way. I ask now the others: is there something wrong with me? If I state my opinion and I try to arguementate it with my reason does that make me a retard? If I don't accept some arguments from others that makes me short-sighted?
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MANE, TEKEL, FARES
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Lith-Maethor
Honorable
Legendary Hero
paid in Coin and Cleavage
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posted December 07, 2001 12:31 AM |
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...not always...
...you are entitled to your own opinion ...I even agree with you on most cases (vampires for example) and respect what you have to say... however, if you just say "this sucks" without giving any reasons (ie the male/female discussion), I won't be willing to agree with you... if someone dissagrees with you, try to prove him/her wrong...
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted December 07, 2001 12:36 AM |
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Sometimes I may have done that ("this sucks" without giving a reason...but I asure you I had my reasons even if I did not expressed them). But instead of jumping to my throat, my opponent can just ask : why?
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conn
Responsible
Famous Hero
God slayer
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posted December 07, 2001 09:50 AM |
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I guess the majority of ll who post here agree with the fact that 3do should "improve" the VenomSpawn. Now, I don't know if i should start a new thread or has these been asked before, but what do you people think about the vampires reverting more to the look they had in hmm2? Personaly I hate the vampire dressed as if he(it) were going to a ball just after he wipes out an army of whatever creatures he's fighting. I think that the way they looked in hmm3 was way better than the new look. Any opinions?
P.S to lith
My father is doing well and probably bashing in some god's head... 
P.P.S Maybe some of you veterans of this board can tell me if my avatar is already since the thread regarding avatars is waaaaay to long and i dont't think i will ever have the time to scan it all the way through...thx
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Lith-Maethor
Honorable
Legendary Hero
paid in Coin and Cleavage
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posted December 07, 2001 09:55 AM |
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avatars...
...it belongs to Ichon (or Icon) so you better change it ...at least you asked...
...as for your father, when you see him tell him, long time no see... last time I saw him he was roaming the seas (again) leaving you run things... well it had to happen btw: how's your lovely mother?
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Gerdash
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from the Animated Peace
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posted December 07, 2001 01:36 PM |
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would not fit anywhere else? well, 'fit' is a bit bad word imho, but imho in that sense it might "fit" in asylum just as "well" as it "fits" in the necro. the hydra swamp, etc.. and i wouldn't say green slimes would be associated with necromancy. well, maybe it's in the inferno half of the necro, assuming that vampire is it's necro alternative.. well, if the venom spawn is a must, it might just as well change places with the efreet imho.. but then there would be no shooters in the necro, would there?
of course, getting rid of it would be best.. btw, just remembered an imho quite nice creature.. as we don't seem to have manticore anymore.. a giant grasshopper with human head and tail of a scorpion.. before the end of the world, those creatures were foretold to crawl out of a well (according to the bible). i have seen some nice pictures of them.. with long slightly curly hair (i guess sth like the nobles had when this picture was made) and wearing breastplates.. yeah.. but it's a flyer, i.e. not a shooter either.
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted December 07, 2001 11:00 PM |
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Yes, Gerdash, but I'm sure they didn't bring the v.s. just because they needed a shooter and they didn't find one.Just gimme a day and I'll come up with lots of shooters.They could have done better.Alot.
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Oldtimer
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posted December 08, 2001 05:19 AM |
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Some might say that the Venom Spawn looks like their mother's attempt at a Jello salad, but it all depends upon it's movement.
If it bounces around like a ball I think that it would be not so good.
But what if it oozes across the battlefeild like an amoeba, and then envelops its enemy. It might have a special ability like the dendroid, where the enemy is stuck inside of it.
What if it's special is spawning little slime blobs to add level one type summonable creatures to the battle. There are alot of good possibilities with the spawn, I need more info before I decide to condemn it.
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vladpopescu79
Promising
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a vampire of taste
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posted December 09, 2001 09:35 PM |
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Weel, it will do nothing of what you expect...it will simply shoot with spines, and I foresee nothing spectacular about that...
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ZeD
Hired Hero
Master of The Templars
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posted December 15, 2001 01:57 PM |
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Why?
Why have that slimy pile of goo-creature just to shoot spines?????
If it was only ment to shoot, there could likewise be a pile os spines then!
I think that a creature designed like that should have some special abilities...
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Gerdash
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Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
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posted December 15, 2001 02:30 PM |
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i think i have seen a concept art picture where it spits slime.. here it is:
scary, isn't it?
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and i guess that one of it's special abilities is that the slime it spits is venomous, and of course the second special would be the slime is green and that confuses all the enemy creatures and makes them wonder what the hell is going on. and maybe it has venom shield (like fire shield), but i am afraid i might as well be going way overboard with imagination here.
i am almost sure that it oozes rather than bounces when it moves, but i doubt the envelope thing, because i doubt the nwc ppl would bother with sth like that. i.e. now that they have even got rid of the hexagonal grid that made homm look more like a game of fans, but also made programming more complicated. well, if the enemy would be stuck, it might be interesting from the gameplay point of view, but not as interesting as the homm3 dendroids, because there are too few shooters in the town. and in general, imho this oozing and enveloping the enemy in slime would still be rather disgusting.
and i doubt it will spawn little slime blobs, because it's venomous. if it was called 'nutritional blob', i would expect sth like that. spawning slime blobs would be the best special ability for this wart and thorn covered slime creature with numerous ugly mouths, but i doubt it would completely make up for it's appearance.
am i too pessimistic today again? nevertheless, keep up the good work, maybe someone will come up with an idea that would make the venom spawn be just a little bit less intolerable than it otherways would.
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Wesley
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
banned
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posted December 16, 2001 11:54 AM |
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Edited By: Wesley on 16 Dec 2001
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Going oftocpic
Hydra
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Gerdash
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from the Animated Peace
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posted December 16, 2001 01:33 PM |
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thunder:
lmao.. so how bad did it look before?
wesley:
actually, when you read the text beside the picture, it doesn't seem to be offtopic at all. i guess that's what you meant, didn't you?
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well, maybe we should also have a feature to tie half-naked girls to a tree to attract hydras to the battlefield, what do you think? well, somehow it seems to be unsavoury to imagine venom spawn in the place of the hydra on that picture (the one in the previous post by wesley). hmm.. it seems that i have managed to say it more clearly than i expected now *very pleased with myself.* although this is not exactly the point i am trying to make here, it's very similar to it, or even almost identical.
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted December 16, 2001 02:04 PM |
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Actually,
I had the old pic, and comparing the two I can't see any difference between the two. (well perhaps if I study it for a long time.)
That said I find it overall meaningless to discuss the Venom Spawn with those who hates it. They've already made up a horrible image of their own of the pic and it's futile to try to change it.
Sometimes you should really look only at the result on the battle-field and don't care how the designers arrive at that result, and I don't think that the Venom Spawn is automatically bad on the battle-field although I grant you that the model is not a hit.
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Gerdash
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Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
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posted December 17, 2001 04:16 PM |
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wesley:
lol, but you know, it says:Quote:
The multiheaded Hydra of Lerna, a huge watersnake that crept out of the swamps, had breath so venomous that it could destroy life at each change of season.
so.. doesn't it sound somewhat similar to the venom spawn, or what? the asylum town corresponds to the element water with it's placement in the pentagram.. well, maybe not in homm4 though, because it seems to use destructive fire magic. no idea how they have put the hydra swamp there, though. and in homm2 the dungeon was also a swamp town.
another thought.. if they iterpreted the hydra as above and put the venom spawn in the asylum, some creatures might somewhat duplicate each other in the same town, wouldn't they? argh, this is getting so messed up, if venom spawn was moved to the asylum, i guess it would have to swap places with the efreet, while genies are in the academy.
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Wesley
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
banned
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posted December 17, 2001 06:56 PM |
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:)
True true.. But I didn't saw that before you told me... It's very ovious indeed.
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Nernug
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 17, 2001 07:28 PM |
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Necropolis and overall graphics
I don't get why the even call in the necropolis anymore. I don't like the idea of undead being pals creatures of living tissue like the venom spawn.
I can sit here all day pointing out stuff that I don't like about the graphics of the creatures. But I think some hundred other people did that for me. But I guess you hardly see the pics up close in the game. After a while of playing you wont even care I guess. If you take a look a
What I don't like is the town view. I think it's a step backwards from hmm3. In hmm3 it looked more like a town than a few building standing around and every town was very unique. In hmm4 most building are the same size and there is no sign of a town at all, no castle wall, residences, people just standing around. I thought one of the new things in the game was that each town would be more unique. Well sorry but 3DO and co failed on the graphics part.
My opinion is:
Creature graphics:
Overall the quality is medium, no more.
Hero Graphics:
Overall better than the creatures.
Adventure view:
More realistic, just keeps getting better.
Castle view:
Unrealistic, even ugly.
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Xenophanes
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted December 19, 2001 09:43 PM |
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Okay, whatever, Nernug.
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