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Aculias
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 20, 2001 02:18 AM |
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I invite any creature under my wing until they prove to be worthless even those mutated spawns from the desolated land of no return until proven weak
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Aculias
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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted December 20, 2001 02:21 AM |
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well necropolis does not mean undead really mostly evil & i know everyone looks at necromancers as undead but we should give necropolis a chance until proven sucky
ACULIAS the wanted
DREAMING OF A BETTER WORLD
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Xenophanes
Promising
Famous Hero
Chief Consul to Queen Mutare
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posted December 21, 2001 08:26 PM |
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I don't think Necropolis will be sucky...
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted December 24, 2001 10:22 PM |
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There's only one chance to play a non-sucky necropolis...and that is not to choose the ugly stupid creatures that we all know as being ugly and stupid.Good old necro units should do it...as for the town....we'll have to live with it.
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MANE, TEKEL, FARES
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Svetac
Promising
Known Hero
Saintified Paladin
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posted December 25, 2001 06:55 AM |
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Well how can you avoid it, if the level 3 choice is between B-movie Dracula and ugly Venom Spawn? 
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted December 26, 2001 09:02 PM |
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Well how can you avoid it, if the level 3 choice is between B-movie Dracula and ugly Venom Spawn?
That will be a hard one...but I'll hire a geek to break the game apart, remove the ugly creatures starting with the vampire and replace them as I desire...
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MANE, TEKEL, FARES
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Svetac
Promising
Known Hero
Saintified Paladin
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posted December 26, 2001 09:42 PM |
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Are you suggesting a modification of HoMM4, my dear Vlad?
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gradenko2000
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 01, 2002 07:36 PM |
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If a necromancr tries to revive a creature dead for several years, all that will be left is goo and slime from when it decomposed, so I think the Venom Spawn can still be rationalized (but I still dont like it...Blech). Kind of like the time when the God of Death summoned up every creature that ever lived as undead and they all turned up as moss and mud creatures since their body parts had sine decomposed to soil (for you Yawgmoth fans, youll know what Im talking about)
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Xenophanes
Promising
Famous Hero
Chief Consul to Queen Mutare
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posted January 01, 2002 07:59 PM |
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I think that we are all forgetting something about the Vampires. The artwork of them that we have all seen is just one of the perhaps fifty frames of it! I'll admit that the tuxedo is a bit strange, but there is also a sort of geekiness in this one frame. However, that is just part of one of the many animations of the Vampire. There are probably more, and the normal, standing completely still look for the Vampire is probably much better. If you look at some of the Heroes III frames, and pick out a single one, some of those creatures look even worse than the Vampire. However, you just can't judge a creature by one solitary frame of it. You have to look at the whole thing, all the different parts of its animations.
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted January 02, 2002 01:48 AM |
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Well of course this is only one frame but is also more than I need to have my opinion.You may also say that the picture in your driving licence is too little to make an impresion on somebody.Perhaps, but it sure gives you enough to see. If in your picture you'll have the front teeth missing I won't bother thinking you might be lovely with your mouth closed, right?
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MANE, TEKEL, FARES
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Gerdash
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Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
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posted January 02, 2002 04:05 PM |
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vlad, maybe you misunderstood..
maybe he meant that during the animations the vampite will change his suit. i.e. if he fights against dragon golems he will wear the suit we have seen in the creature graphics so far, when he fights some other monsters, he will wear a different suit that is appropriate. the disguise thing, you know.
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Darion
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Famous Hero
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posted January 03, 2002 01:22 AM |
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Sorry, actually what he meant has been brought up before and is not proof enough for me. What he means is, to put it in layman's terms, it will look cool when attacking and in the game... we shouldn't judge it on its basic model. However, the model does not appeal to some people and even if it were shrunken down and given the most wonderful animations.. that still does not make it a totally excellent creature I will instantly forgive its shortcomings in its graphics. Good creatures people like are the ones that look good, sound good, have good animations and are useable in the game. Overall aesthetic appeal, which is what every creature should have and perhaps in this case, is lacking in the vampire.
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted January 03, 2002 06:53 PM |
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Quote:
maybe he meant that during the animations the vampite will change his suit. i.e. if he fights against dragon golems he will wear the suit we have seen in the creature graphics so far, when he fights some other monsters, he will wear a different suit that is appropriate. the disguise thing, you know.
Oh, the disguise thing is a good one, but can anyone call THAT a disguise? It would be super if the vampire would change it's outfit from time to time, but I'm afraid we'll never see that happen. If they couldn't make a single good outfit for him, why should we expect more of them? And crappy of course?
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Xenophanes
Promising
Famous Hero
Chief Consul to Queen Mutare
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posted January 04, 2002 07:11 AM |
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You're still all doing what I think you shouldn't - judging a creature by one solitary frame. This one solitary frame will only be seen for one twenty-fourth of a second, and will then disappear. There are plenty of one solitary frames that appear in creatures such as the Medusa and Naga, and one for the Pit Fiend that makes you wonder why the heck it isn't in some show like Teletubbies, and another of the Harpy that looks just as dorky as this Vampire. But these are all single, solitary, frames that should not be used to judge the creature. IT SHOULD BE JUDGED BY THE ANIMATION AS A WHOLE.
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Largo_LeGrande
Promising
Known Hero
from the Carribean
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posted January 04, 2002 09:44 AM |
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Neither like I this lousy combination, nor the look of vampires. I think the vampires should look like in HOMM 3 or in Tolkiens Illustraded Encyclopedia. And I don't like this Venom Spawn either. It should be replaced with Pit Lord to make the other halb more inferno like. I wish we would have 5 creature levels (check my topic "skills and creatures). Then I would have idea for this Necropolis: if you would build zombie structure you could only build "necropolis" structures. If you would build imp strcuture you could only build "inferno" structures. IMHO this would make this lousy combination more better.
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted January 04, 2002 11:10 AM |
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I don't understand what do you mean by that twenty-fourth of a second and then disappear. Are you telling me that's not how the vampire looks while waiting for his move? Or that he will be shape-shifting 24 times per second? if you mean that the position of his hands or feet or head changes, well then I say that I don't give a **** about that, the tuxedo and the rest will still be there, all the 24 parts of the second.
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Gerdash
Responsible
Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
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posted January 04, 2002 09:38 PM |
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yeah same here
i wonder how many repetitions of the same thing it takes to make ppl understand what you are saying. they disagree with it.. fine. but that they keep misinterpreting it again and again makes me feel they are doing it on purpose to create confusion and totally useless posts. imho it's not realistic to assume that they don't understand why some ppl don't like the vampire. i.e. not because of how he stands or the position of his middle finger on some single frame.
tuxedo does not fit in with other creatures (imho).
because the tuxedo is too modern.
animations or zooming has nothing to do with it as long as you can still see the tuxedo.
the vamp will be wearing the tuxedo on all frames.
tuxedo = bad.
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lol.
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Largo_LeGrande
Promising
Known Hero
from the Carribean
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posted January 06, 2002 10:14 AM |
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Because everybody seem to be so angry of this lousy combination, let me tell my two idea:
You know, this combination is forced by this great new skill system. They made up these skill families and because this game is might and magic, they made up also these magic skills (now learning a spell is more "realistic"). The best way to make this idea to work is to make a town for every magic school (I didn't like to have bless and curse in the magic guild in the former chapter). So they did that but realised a problem with necropolis and inferno. Then they combined them and gave this two creatures per level per town thing (which is good for other towns).
1.OK, why we cry for this combination? We can build only Necropolis structures or only Inferno structures? That makes sense except the first level creatures. Both can be build (yes, you can leave the other away and give space for skeletons and demons). My idea is that only necropolis or inferno structures can be build (forsaken palace needs imp crusible). But only 4 creatures (okay, you could STILL keep space for skeletons and demons)? Here come my former idea of five levels. Check the creatures here http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?FID=5&TID=3015 and post there suggestions for other creatures, OK?
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2.This second idea comes from HOMM II. There every town was either magic or might. Except Necropolis. It was might and magic. So let's divide this HOMM IV "Necropolis" to Necropolis and Inferno. Other of them have to be town for death and I would vote for Necropolis. Inferno would be either this "might and magic" town or then another "Stronghold".
Now which one? I would like to see it "might and magic" but whit this new magic system, what would that mean? The "might" part of Inferno is easy to make up; more population than the "magic" towns but not so many like stronghold. But then this "magic" part? Three level magic guild for every magic school except life? Any suggestions?Making it like another Stronhold would be more easier.
Anyway, if we would divide this "Necropolis", we would meet another problem: in death skills we have demonology! It could be replace with another, but with what? Any ideas?
Then now I will talk about the best part what would appear if we would divide: creatures!
Necropolis:
1.Skeleton/Zombie
2.Mummy/Ghost
3.Vampire/Lich
4.Bone Dragon/Grim Reaper
Inferno:
1.Imp/Gog
2.Cerberus/Demom
3.Pit Lord/Efreet (asylym efreet replaced with either basilisk, manticore or wyvern)
4.Devil/Dark Angel
With this divide we would need more creatures levels I mentioned in my post at http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?FID=5&TID=3015 (go there and post some ideas for creatures) or... >:> . Then in Necropolis we would add Banshee and Dread Knight and in Inferno Succubus and (empty of ideas).
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Wesley
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
banned
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posted January 06, 2002 02:18 PM |
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Inferno/Necropolis
Necro
1:Skeleton(walker) Perfect for level 1
1:Gargoyle(Flyer) I love the Idea of gargoyles into a death town!
2:Vampire(Flyer)Vampires stronger then a Minotaur? No same level would be cooL!
2:Lich(Shooter) He mages are level 2 aswel!
3 eath Knight(Walker) Sorry... Grim reaper and bone dragon are stronger... So this guy must be here...
3:Banshee(Flyer)Don't underast the power of the banshee!
4:Grim Reaper(Caster) Perfect for the death town!
4:Bone Dragon(Flyer) I hate him.. But They should be in..
Inferno..
1:Imp(Teleporter)Perfect for level 1 demon
1:Magog(Walker)Fire shooting demons
2:Beholder(Caster)Beholders are demons aswel.
2:Cerberus(Walker)The demon 3 headed dog ofcourse
3:Succubus(Flyer)Charming demons with looks of angels
3:Efreet(Caster)The dark genies.
4:Balrog(Flyer)This demons have shadowlike wings and spit fire. ofcourse they have flaming swords aswel..
4evil(Teleporter)The demon kings..
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Largo_LeGrande
Promising
Known Hero
from the Carribean
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posted January 06, 2002 04:57 PM |
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And don't forget flaming whips (many forked) for balrogs. Hmm... then again, having sword in other hand and whip in other, it would look stupid, but that just my opinion. And does Barlogs have wings? Wow, I didn't know that!
Sorry, but I can't fit beholders to inferno or gargoyles to necropolis ( I know it's a demon). Beholders to asylym and gargoyles to academy! But please, check my post about those creatures levels and post replays. Or I will cry so long that every one from here to Japan will drown and so loud that every one from here to Japan will lost their hearing!
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