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Snatch
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posted November 03, 2008 07:36 PM bonus applied by GenieLord on 05 Nov 2008.
Edited by Snatch at 12:23, 05 Nov 2008.

Three Way System

The good reactions my faction system in 'After the Earthquake' got reminded me of an older system by me in which all factions also splitted into three possible ways. It's more restricted however because it does not allow to mix two ways. It's much more linear. There are six base factions with three later upgradeable base creatures and six base hero classes associated with it. Each faction can be developed later in one of three alternatives with their own associated hero classes in which the base heros can develop. Each 'prestige class' will give some specific bonuses. I hope I've explained it good enough. If not, please ask.

I. Camp
Hero: Squire
1. Militia (tax payer: 1 gold)
2. Archer (shooter)
3. Army Surgeon (heal wound)

a) Castle
Hero: Knight (morale of all humans + 1, all mounted units damage + 5%)
1.1. Merchant (tax payer: 2 gold)
2.1. Crossbowman (shooter, no range penalty)
3.1. Medicus (heal wound, heal poison, heal disease)
4. Swordsman (double attack)
5. Pikeman (long weapon)
6. Cavalry (jousting)
7. Champion (impale)

b) Stronghold
Hero: Gunner (attack and defense of all mechanical units + 1, all shooter damage + 5%)
1.2. Guardsman (tax payer: 1 gold, stunning attack)
2.2. Light Ballista (shooter, mechanical)
3.2. Sapper (heal wound, repair)
4. Battering Ram (attack walls, throw back enemies, mechanical)
5. Double Ballista (shooter, mechanical, area attack)
6. Defender (large shield, shield allies)
7. Trebuchet (shooter, mechanical, attack walls)

c) Monastery
Hero: Cleric (defense of all humans + 1, all heal spells and heal effects + 5%)
1.3. Sacristan (tax payer: 1 gold, curse protection)
2.3. Master Archer (shooter, scatter shot)
3.3. Chaplain (heal wounds, caster: divine strength)
4. Gargoyle (flyer, elemental, immune to fire/cold/lightning, morale of demons -1)
5. Monk (shooter, caster: regeneration, cleansing, endurance)
6. Crusader (enraged, curse protection, undead slayer)
7. Angel (flyer, caster: ressurection)

II. Glade
Hero: Ranger
1. Sprite (flyer, no enemy retaliation)
2. Wolf (agility)
3. Faun (maximum morale)

a) Fort
Hero: Master Hunter (attack and defense of all animals + 1, damage against animals + 5%)
1.1. Faerie Queen (flyer, no enemy retaliation, spray attack)
2.1. Gray Wolf (agility, double attack)
3.1. Satyr (maximum morale, caster: mirth)
4. Hunter (shooter, warding arrows)
5. White Tiger (first strike)
6. Griffin (flyer, unlimited retaliation)
7. Phoenix (flyer, immune to fire, rebirth)

b) Grove
Hero: Guardian (defense of all forest units + 1, initiative and speed of herbal creatures + 1)
1.2. Dryad (flyer, no enemy retaliation, symbiosis)
2.2. Alpha Leader (agility, summon pack)
3.2. Wild Satyr (maximum morale, enraged)
4. Elemental (elemental, elemental protection)
5. Spore Twine (shooter, weakening strike)
6. Dendroid (binding attack, take roots)
7. Faerie Dragon (flyer, caster: lightning, fireball, chain lightning)

c) Sanctuary
Hero: Druid (luck of all forest units + 1, all elven units damage + 5%)
1.3. Nymph (flyer, no enemy retaliation, caster: confusion)
2.3. Polar Wolf (agility, immune to cold)
3.3. Sad Satyr (caster: mirth, sorrow)
4. Elf Archer (shooter, double shot)
5. Unicorn (blinding attack, aura of magic resistance)
6. Elf Elder (shooter, curse protection, caster: endurance, deflect missile, word of light)
7. Golden Dragon (acid breath, flyer, immune to low level spells)

III. Workshop
Hero: Assistant
1. Gremlin (shooter, armor crushing attack)
2. Craftsman (enraged)
3. Statue (immune to slow, elemental)

a) Institute
Hero: Technician (initiative of all mechanical units + 1, attack of all gremlins + 1)
1.1. Gremlin Saboteur (shooter, armor crushing attack, sabotage)
2.1. Engineer (enraged, repair)
3.1. Mechanical Statue (immune to slow, mechanical)
4. Gremlin Airship (flyer, mechanical, shooter, range penalty)
5. Mechanical Shield (mechanical, large shield, shield allies)
6. Gremlin Cannoneer (shooter, mechanical, ignores enemy defense)
7. Mechanical Dragon (mechanical, first strike)

b) Laboratory
Hero: Alchemist (defense of all non-living units + 1, all elemental units damage + 5%)
1.2. Gremlin Marksman (shooter, armor crushing attack, no range penalty)
2.2. Golem Crafter (enraged, heal golems)
3.2. Clay Golem (immune to slow, immune to earth, elemental)
4. Bomb Planter (drop bomb, attack walls)
5. Mirror Golem (magic mirror, mirror gaze attacks, elemental)
6. Prism Golem (magic resistance, blinding attack, concentrate sunlight, elemental)
7. Colossus (shooter, immune to mind control, no melee penalty)

c) Academy
Hero: Mage (initiative of all casters + 1, all shooters damage + 5%)
1.3. Gremlin Trickster (shooter, armor crushing attack, disguise: will appear as a little stack of astral angels on adventure map)
2.3. Astral Body (enraged, no enemy retaliation)
3.3. Alabaster Statue (immune to slow, elemental, curse protection)
4. Wizard (shooter, caster: cleansing, fireball, fist of wrath)
5. Genie (flyer, random caster)
6. Illusionist (shooter, caster: phantom forces)
7. Astral Angel (flyer, no enemy retaliation, caster: mass cleansing, shadow slayer)

IV. Tribe
Hero: Tribal Warrior
1. Goblin (immune to poison and disease)
2. Snake (immune to poison)
3. Orc (shooter, range penalty, no melee penalty)

a) Bastion
Hero: Barbarian (morale of all steppe units + 1, large creatures damage + 5%)
1.1. Goblin Trapper (immune to poison and disease, set snares)
2.1. Rattle Snake (immune to poison, confusing attack)
3.1. Orc Berserk (shooter, range penalty, no melee penalty, double shot)
4. Hyena (consume corpse)
5. Orc Warlord (bravery, attacks all adjacent enemies)
6. Ogre (enraged, attack walls, goblin thrower)
7. Cyclops (cursing gaze)

b) Compound
Hero: Beastmaster (attack and defense of all scaled creatures + 1, damage against animals + 5%)
1.2. Goblin Blowgunner (immune to poison and disease, shooter, range penalty, poisoning attack)
2.2. Boa (immune to poison, binding attack)
3.2. Orc Spearwielder (shooter, range penalty, no melee penalty, crippling attack)
4. Manned Lizard (lizard bite, rider charge)
5. Basilisk (armored, stone gaze)
6. Wyvern (flyer, poisoning attack)
7. Hydra (no enemy retaliation, attacks all adjacent enemies)

c) Totem
Hero: Shaman (attack of all flying units + 1, health of all goblins + 3)
1.3. Goblin Witch Doctor (immune to poison and disease, defile magic)
2.3. Cobra (immune to poison, poisoning attack)
3.3. Orc Defender (shooter, range penalty, no melee penalty, shield wall)
4. Ogre Mage (caster: righteous strength, haste)
5. Goblin Manned Vulture (immune to poison and disease, flyer)
6. Troll (regeneration, shooter)
7. Thunderbird (immune to lightning, lightning attack, flyer)

V. Barrow
Hero: Initiate
1. Skeleton (undead)
2. Walking Dead (undead, enraged)
3. Dog Cadaver (undead, double attack)

a) Necropolis
Hero: Necromancer (defense of all undead units + 1, health of all skeletal units + 2)
1.1. Skeleton Archer (undead, shooter)
2.1. Ghoul (undead, enraged, consume corpse)
3.1. Rotten Cadaver (undead, double attack, diseasing attack)
4. Ghost (undead, flyer, invisibility, incorporeal)
5. Vampire (undead, no enemy retaliation, life drain)
6. Lich (undead, shooter, death cloud)
7. Bone Dragon (undead, flyer, aura of fear)

b) Pyramid
Hero: Embalmer (defense of all mummified units + 1, magic resistance of all undead units + 5%)
1.2. Skeleton Tomb Guard (undead, defensive stance, magic resistance)
2.2. Zombie (undead, enraged, magic resistance)
3.2. Watchdog (undead, double attack, magic resistance)
4. Horseman (undead, aging attack)
5. Priest (undead, shooter, caster: suffering, decay)
6. Pharao (undead, cursing attack, festering aura)
7. Preserved Dragon (undead, flyer, magic resistance)

c) Mansion
Hero: Death Knight (attack of all undead units + 1, initiative of all dread units + 1)
1.3. Skeleton Warrior (undead, large shield, shield allies)
2.3. Dread Soldier (undead, enraged, first strike)
3.3. Black Dog (undead, double attack, first strike)
4. Dread Archer (undead, shooter, cursing arrows)
5. Nosferatu (undead, torpor, teleport)
6. Dread Knight (undead, death blow)
7. Banshee (undead, harm touch, death wail)

VI. Vault
Hero: Conjuror
1. Cloud of Flies (flyer)
2. Scout (shooter, scouting)
3. Bat (flyer, immune to blind)

a) Tower
Hero: Warlock (defense of all vermin units + 1, attack of all shadow units + 1)
1.1. Great Swarm (flyer, swarm out: attacks all nearby enemies with half strength)
2.1. Shadow (invisibility)
3.1. Giant Bat (flyer, immune to blind, diseasing attack)
4. Vampiric Shadow (invisibility, life drain)
5. Black Magician (shooter, caster: slow, summon shadow)
6. Giant Spider (overcome walls, binding attack)
7. Shadow King (invisibility, caster: summon vampiric shadow)

b) Cult Site
Hero: Heretic (attack of all shooters + 1, defense of all demons +1)
1.2. Swarm Queen (flyer, caster: wasp swarm)
2.2. Assasin (shooter, no melee penalty, poisoning attack)
3.2. Familiar (flyer, immune to blind, mana drain)
4. Nightmare (frightening attack, aura of fear)
5. Cultist (shooter, ranged retaliation, caster: weakness, blind, frenzy)
6. Efreet (flyer, fire shield, immune to fire)
7. Succubus (immune to mind control, caster: puppet master)

c) Dungeon
Hero: Transmuter (morale of all hybrids + 1, attack of all animals and animal-animal-hybrids + 1)
1.3. Dragonfly (flyer, dispelling attack)
2.3. Centaur (shooter, maneuver)
3.3. Manticore (flyer, paralyzing attack)
4. Harpy (flyer, attack and return, no enemy retaliation)
5. Medusa (stone gaze, whip strike)
6. Minotaur (bravery, double attack)
7. Black Dragon (flyer, fire breath, immune to magic)

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Aculias
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posted November 03, 2008 07:37 PM

When I saw a 3 way.
I thought you had a different system


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Snatch
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posted November 03, 2008 07:44 PM

Quote:
When I saw a 3 way.
I thought you had a different system




At least I have your attention.

Maybe you thought of a threeway between a human, a lion and a bat creating a manticore.

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Aculias
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posted November 03, 2008 07:56 PM

Ok that was a little too much about your own fantasies lol.
I am outtie
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Jiriki9
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posted November 03, 2008 08:07 PM

XD nice idea, anyway

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bixie
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my common sense is tingling!
posted November 03, 2008 08:42 PM

Interesting...

very interesting...
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LordGodric
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posted November 04, 2008 01:14 PM

Quote:
Interesting...

very interesting...

I agree... very nice ideia! but I have 4 points...
- in all creatures, i dont like only one: i dont like the tax colloector very much... for me, dont make many sense a general recruit tax collectors to fight in he's army: tax collector are trained to steal collect the taxes, not to fight.
- and... what is a spore twine?! - i m not native english speaker, and my english ir very poor... - can you explain me?
- Why we dont have a carnivore plant in the grove? (or the spore twine is a type of carnivore plant?)
- how do the astral body striks? do they use some weapon? or they strikes with magical strikes...?

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eriks
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posted November 04, 2008 05:36 PM

I think its a good idea, if there would be something like this - for every faction.

P.S I think that cavalry should have impale (since they are more often or not going to use spears) and that champions should have joust, since well- they are the champions.

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Asheera
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posted November 04, 2008 07:16 PM

Nice idea, I like it
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Snatch
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posted November 04, 2008 07:22 PM

I agree that the creature lineups are not perfect by all means, just a sample. Creatures and abilities can surely be adjusted at any time.

@ tax collector: Does anybody have a better idea for a unit that gives 2 Gold instead of just 1?

@ spore twine: Do you or did you play HoMM4? It's kind of a waspwort. A twine that shoots spores. I don't like carnivore plants that much, so there isn't one. But that doesn't mean that there can't be one. It could fit.

@ astral body: I thought of magical strikes.

@ cavalry/champion: What you like. What you think is fitting better.

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alcibiades
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posted November 04, 2008 10:17 PM

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@ tax collector: Does anybody have a better idea for a unit that gives 2 Gold instead of just 1?


Merchant?
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blizzardboy
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posted November 04, 2008 11:10 PM

Very cool, I don't have anything bad to say about it.

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JapanGamer
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posted November 05, 2008 09:38 AM

Can you change a town with option B in place to A or C?
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Snatch
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posted November 05, 2008 12:22 PM

Merchant is a good idea. Thanks.

I think there should be the option to change but it would take some time and cost resources.

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GenieLord
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posted November 05, 2008 09:41 PM

QP applied to Snatch for this great work.

Enjoy it, Promising hero!

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alcibiades
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posted November 06, 2008 08:14 PM

I think this system is quite intriguing - I like the way that the factions are grouped 3 by 3, not only in themes and/or races, but also by sharing an actual basis in the units. One of the things I wondered about was an upgrade system - I can see that the basic units (level 1 through 3) can be upgraded into an advanced unit depending on which branch you choose. I take it that the choice will be locked for all units once you pick your branch - so that you can't pick one upgrade from one theme and the other from another?

And what about upgrades of the higher level units - would there be any upgrades of these? And at what point in the game would you choose which branch to develop by?
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Snatch
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posted November 07, 2008 04:27 PM

Quote:
I take it that the choice will be locked for all units once you pick your branch - so that you can't pick one upgrade from one theme and the other from another?


That's locked indeed. It's quite a linear system. You have one choice but otherwise all is given.

Quote:
And what about upgrades of the higher level units - would there be any upgrades of these?


Upgrades are surely possible. If fans wish upgrades then why not. I can live equally good without upgrades.

Quote:
And at what point in the game would you choose which branch to develop by?


Obviously before tier 4.

But I would think overall end of week 1, start of week 2 would sound like a good point.

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posted June 01, 2009 01:47 PM
Edited by Celfious at 13:48, 01 Jun 2009.

Quote:
Can you change a town with option B in place to A or C?


This means at one point in time I had a basic understanding of what the thread is about..

Interesting..
Very interesting...

(for those who do not know I am japan gamer also)
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Instants
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posted June 11, 2009 11:40 PM
Edited by Instants at 17:44, 28 Jun 2009.

My favorite HoMM VI idea so far, except for the compound. Orcs and swamps don't go hand in hand in my mind. Maybe have a new swamp base faction and replace Compound with something along the lines of...

1.2. Goblin blowgunner
2.2. Boa
3.2. Orc Crossbowman
4. Scorpion
5. Nomad
6. Pyromaniac
7. Behemoth

...of course you don't have to listen to me, this is your idea.
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Daystar
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posted June 27, 2009 12:24 AM

Quote:
When I saw a 3 way.
I thought you had a different system




Yeah, that was my reaction.

And while I like the system I feel like it could be too scattered.  However, if implemented properly then it would be brilliant.
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