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kipshasz
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posted November 26, 2008 05:27 PM |
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Electric chair is a waste of energy. Shooting the criminals-waste of bullets. Gas chambers are the solution. Jails are a waste of our(taxpayers') money. Or lets do like they did back in France revolution- chop off the head and show it to the bloodthirsty crowd. Those types of criminals are like animals. No, i take that back. Worse than animals. Animals kill to survive,not for the fun of it. Though im not a catholic,but i must say that this type of scum must burn forever in the depths of Hell.
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TheDeath
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posted November 26, 2008 05:27 PM |
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@Doomforge: That's like promising someone to work all month for 1000$ and then you decide to kick him out without giving him the money 
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Gas chambers are the solution.
You must be joking with the gas chamber. Not only is it a waste of gas, it's also completely inhumane, I think even more so than the electric chair.
Waste of bullets? Compared to the amount of wasted bullets on the battlefield do you think this matters?
And yeah chopping his head off would do the trick too.
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Though im not a catholic,but i must say that this type of scum must burn forever in the depths of Hell.
Apparently, it's not for you to decide that. (I mean the hell part)
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posted November 26, 2008 05:29 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 17:30, 26 Nov 2008.
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Well, in essence, giving the death penalty to a murderer is not so different than simply lowering oneself to their level.
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posted November 26, 2008 05:31 PM |
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90% agree with Ceph here. Killing him sometimes is necessary (e.g: he shoots you or in a gun fight), but TORTURING or doing something else than just the bare minimum to STOP him? That's lowering yourself to his level. Period.
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posted November 26, 2008 05:31 PM |
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Well, in essence, giving the death penalty to a murderer is not so different than simply lowering oneself to their level.
Tell that to his Victim's Family.
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posted November 26, 2008 05:32 PM |
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Tell that to his Victim's Family.
Wow you can bring them back if you torture the guy? 
meh
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posted November 26, 2008 05:35 PM |
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Tell that to his Victim's Family.
Most of them, afaik, aren't vengeance-obsessed.
Check some documentaries.
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posted November 26, 2008 05:41 PM |
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Proper imprisonment is a bigger punishment than death.
Thing is, I wouldn't want to punish him. I would want to get rid of him. He has harmed our society horribly, so it's better to get him out and remove every influence he has here. It is not for vengeance. It is to get the stain out of society.
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posted November 26, 2008 05:57 PM |
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Making him do something useful is ultimately much more beneficial for all of us than simply killing him.
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posted November 26, 2008 06:12 PM |
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TheDeath:
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How can you call this 'rational'?
Ever heard of something called a "deterrent"? And also, it makes sense (though it may be a bit wasteful). If they're fine with doing what they do to somebody, then they should be fine with somebody doing it to them. If they're not, then they shouldn't do it in the first place! Simple and logical. And I don't see how you're going down to his level to punish him. He's the violent one. You're just punishing him for acting that way.
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Well, in essence, giving the death penalty to a murderer is not so different than simply lowering oneself to their level.
Not really. Look at it this way. The murderer incurred a "debt", of sorts, by killing someone. By him being killed, he is paying that "debt" back. You're not lowering yourself to that level because you're not incurring the "debt".
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posted November 26, 2008 06:13 PM |
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@TheDeath: gas chambers in Hitler's concentration camps used chlorine gas right? And chlorine is(was) used in making cleaners. So...
Bullets should be used only for hunting. And hunting brings good stuff: fresh forest air,meat and trophies.
Burning in hell... Of course its not for me to decide that,it's just my opinion. Believe me, i bear no sympathy to those scum. If they we're dead there would much less sorrow in this world
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posted November 26, 2008 06:22 PM |
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Ever heard of something called a "deterrent"? And also, it makes sense (though it may be a bit wasteful). If they're fine with doing what they do to somebody, then they should be fine with somebody doing it to them. If they're not, then they shouldn't do it in the first place! Simple and logical. And I don't see how you're going down to his level to punish him. He's the violent one. You're just punishing him for acting that way.
He's the violent one because of his ACTIONS or because he started it? I think when you want to do that to him, you also start to think like him and ENJOY that. You're going down to his level. You do the same actions -- and if violence is not determined by actions or thoughts then by what?
Yeah technically he murders and you don't since he 'started' it -- but you BOTH kill and you're BOTH violent. That's what kill means, it doesn't matter whether it was legal or not. It's still killing. I'm not saying that killing them is always bad (check: gunfight or when necessary, or when he is a danger even in prison etc etc).
You may need to "take him out" because of the danger he imposes, but that's it. You just take him out, no other things that WILL make you think/act like him.
"Always remember that others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself."
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Not really. Look at it this way. The murderer incurred a "debt", of sorts, by killing someone. By him being killed, he is paying that "debt" back. You're not lowering yourself to that level because you're not incurring the "debt".
And if he pays his debt then you CANNOT say he is an ***hole anymore. If it was a business, and he had a debt, if he paid it back, then you are BOTH THE SAME, businessmen. So either is he still considered an ***hole after that AND YOU ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME (if you did that to him), or he isn't an ***hole anymore after paying his debt. Right?
does it sound ridiculous?
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@TheDeath: gas chambers in Hitler's concentration camps used chlorine gas right? And chlorine is(was) used in making cleaners. So...
Bullets are just as cheap if not cheaper. Besides, gas chamber is completely inhumane. More so than the electric chair (at least the chair might 'absorb' some pain because the electric shocks might confuse the electric signals to the brain etc).
or chop his head off.
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posted November 26, 2008 06:23 PM |
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Let me tell you one thing, folks: In Romania, the State allocates more money for a day spent in PRISON than for a day spent by a sick human in the hospital.
Now, do you find it "RATIONAL" to spend your own god damned money to feed, give drugs, etc, to a dude who has murdered, raped, and so on and so forth?
I certainly don't. And while, for pedophiles mostly, prison is worse than death (god forbid inmates would find out you tackled with a kid here, you're gonna be ass meat for the whole crew), I would rather see them dead and Medical Facilities receive the money they would have spent for the said dude's incarceration.
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posted November 26, 2008 06:25 PM |
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Now, do you find it "RATIONAL" to spend your own god damned money to feed, give drugs, etc, to a dude who has murdered, raped, and so on and so forth?
Put them to work. Forcibly of course.
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posted November 26, 2008 06:27 PM |
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That would be a solution, yes. But not so reliable.
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posted November 26, 2008 06:29 PM |
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Or rather not forcibly at all -- if they don't, you either:
1) let them starve (capitalism system)
2) shoot them (socialism system), they don't need minimum wages anyway
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posted November 26, 2008 06:30 PM |
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The murderer incurred a "debt", of sorts, by killing someone. By him being killed, he is paying that "debt" back. You're not lowering yourself to that level because you're not incurring the "debt".
But you are the one exacting the payment and taking the killer's life into your own hands, just as they did with their own victim. They've killed a person, so now they're no longer to be considered one and you're automatically exempt from doing the same thing to them?
I don't believe that giving killers a taste of their own medicine is likely to fix or solve anything, especially since doing so is basically an "easy way out" for them.
I mean, I haven't killed anyone recently, but I would think that trying to live with the magnitude of killing another person and redeem oneself is a more apt punishment (obviously not in all cases, but in many)
And besides, take for instance a mass murderer. How does he pay his debt? Are you going to kill him several times?
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posted November 26, 2008 06:32 PM |
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@TheDeath: gas chambers in Hitler's concentration camps used chlorine gas right? And chlorine is(was) used in making cleaners. So...
It was Zyklon B, not chlorine. And it's an insecticide.
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posted November 26, 2008 06:41 PM |
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I think when you want to do that to him, you also start to think like him and ENJOY that.
And this is where you're wrong. The murderer is in the wrong because he performed the violent action first. Those who kill him (and are authorized by society to do so) are not in the wrong, because they are acting merely in retaliation. He kills because he's a twisted, insane being. They kill to remove a twisted, insane murderer from the world. Completely different.
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You may need to "take him out" because of the danger he imposes, but that's it. You just take him out, no other things that WILL make you think/act like him.
I'm not saying that you have to think like him. Where did I say that?  But, as for acting like him... Whenever a person violates somebody's rights, he/she forfeits those rights for themselves. In general, people have the right to life. But if they take away somebody else's right to life, then they forfeit their own.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
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And if he pays his debt then you CANNOT say he is an ***hole anymore. If it was a business, and he had a debt, if he paid it back, then you are BOTH THE SAME, businessmen. So either is he still considered an ***hole after that AND YOU ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME (if you did that to him), or he isn't an ***hole anymore after paying his debt. Right?
Almost. Not only should he receive the equal punishment, but also a bit more for court costs and cost of enforcement (only if he is found guilty, of course!). So if you kill a murderer, then he has paid back his debt, so, really, he's not an ***hole any more - but it doesn't really matter, as he's dead.
Nothing ridiculous about it.
And how would you go about letting them starve? Just put them in a cell? But then you'll have to pay the janitor to clean up after them, so you're still spending money on them. And if you just let them loose into society, who's to say that they won't start murdering again?
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They forfeited their right to life whenever they violated somebody else's right to life.
But you raise an interesting point with mass murderers. There I don't know.
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posted November 26, 2008 06:47 PM |
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Whenever a person violates somebody's rights, he/she forfeits those rights for themselves.
As far as I know, God doesn't come down to take his life, so SOMEONE must take his life. So that SOMEONE must be violent, as I don't know any kind if killing without violence.
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Almost. Not only should he receive the equal punishment, but also a bit more for court costs and cost of enforcement (only if he is found guilty, of course!). So if you kill a murderer, then he has paid back his debt, so, really, he's not an ***hole any more - but it doesn't really matter, as he's dead.
Nothing ridiculous about it.
I'm pretty sure people will still consider him an ***hole after that
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And how would you go about letting them starve? Just put them in a cell? But then you'll have to pay the janitor to clean up after them, so you're still spending money on them. And if you just let them loose into society, who's to say that they won't start murdering again?
Pay the janitor? What about paying the gas chamber and cleaning after them? Or are you suggesting a method which disintegrates him?
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