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posted January 04, 2009 12:57 AM |
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read this
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posted January 04, 2009 01:31 AM |
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That article neither says where the Palestinians came from nor how many of them lived in the area that became Israel.
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posted January 04, 2009 01:38 AM |
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All will be answered tomorrow, I REALLY have to go to sleep.
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posted January 04, 2009 09:50 AM |
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And after Israel had declared indepedence (1948) all these states sent armies to attack Israel (overall 7).
Of course they will... they want to keep their territory...
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posted January 04, 2009 10:51 AM |
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The area was called palestine when the british took it from the Turks as a result of the first world war and gave jews the freedom to move there.
There, now you can continue your rant people.
PS. Oh you blue-eyed Gl. 
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posted January 04, 2009 12:57 PM |
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@Vokial
How exactly was it theirs if it wasn't theirs from the start and it was decided that it's going to be split up?
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posted January 04, 2009 02:10 PM |
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Why did they all swarm into Israel? What was so great about it all of a sudden?
Because there was work here.
The British got the control in Israel in 1917. They were working to modernize the area, making it a more advanced zone, and the Jews started building their future towns.
All that required many workers, and while there was a lot of unemployment and poverty in the Arab states, there was plenty of work to be done here.
Why do Muslims emigrate to Europe in the last years? To look for a job and money.
Why did Muslims emigrate to Israel from 1917? Same reason.
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And after Israel had declared indepedence (1948) all these states sent armies to attack Israel (overall 7).
Of course they will... they want to keep their territory...
It wasn't their territory. It was a British territory, going to be half Jewish and half Arab territory.
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posted January 04, 2009 02:37 PM |
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posted January 05, 2009 05:29 PM |
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It wasn't their territory. It was a British territory, going to be half Jewish and half Arab territory.
And before Britain conquered it? Mind you, conquest in those days would be condemned by modern international law.
As for that "Super important video" you posted, regardless if it holds truth, I find the 'discussion' to be disgusting one-sided propaganda.
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posted January 05, 2009 05:52 PM |
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And before Britain conquered it? Mind you, conquest in those days would be condemned by modern international law.
Turkish.
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posted January 05, 2009 06:13 PM |
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And before Britain conquered it? Mind you, conquest in those days would be condemned by modern international law.
Exactly like anti said. It wasn't controlled by the Arabs, it was controlled by the Othmanian Empire (Today Turkey).
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As for that "Super important video" you posted, regardless if it holds truth, I find the 'discussion' to be disgusting one-sided propaganda.
It was taken from Al-Jazeera, which is the biggest ARABIC news channel.
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posted January 06, 2009 02:20 PM |
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posted January 06, 2009 03:57 PM |
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"We are amputating people on an assembly line" says a Norwegian doctor from Gaza. He says hospitals and medical staff are equally subject to Israeli firing.
-Today 2 ambulances got hit. Two nurses were killed.
He says that 117 children have been killed and 750 have been injured.
"The death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is just a statistic" seems to fit here. A single dead Israeli has a face. Palestinian children are nameless. I guess if fits rather well since they hardly have any future living in Gaza.
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posted January 06, 2009 06:57 PM |
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And before Britain conquered it? Mind you, conquest in those days would be condemned by modern international law.
Exactly like anti said. It wasn't controlled by the Arabs, it was controlled by the Othmanian Empire (Today Turkey).
"Othmanian Empire" ended it's history with the WW1...
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posted January 06, 2009 07:01 PM |
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TNT, you asked me something, I'll answer you with a question, how you call this?
Israel Kills 40 Palestinian At UN School
Most of them were kids!
Is this a terrorist?
This is not a war, but massacre!
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posted January 06, 2009 08:04 PM |
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No use Vokial.
The answer will always be the same.
"War is bad, but we can't change it, we have to defend ourselves."
That's what every nation in the world is saying for the last 4500 years.
While people on the top race for personal gain, ordinary people race to wash blood off their hands and ease their conscience by telling themselves how the other side dragged them into this. And how they had to defend themselves.
Our nations, Vokial, have their share of bloodshed behind them too. Yours joined the Germans in both world wars and committed quite some atrocities. Mine killed all those Muslim civilians in Srebrenica. Every nation in the world murdered innocents at some point in history.
But everyone sees their nation as "rightfully defending itself" and "having no choice". And as long as it's like that, people will die.
In quite large numbers.
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posted January 06, 2009 08:21 PM |
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I was about to post: "Not Belgium!"
But then I remember we did Congo... Man, we suck...
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posted January 06, 2009 08:37 PM |
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Actually, the answer to this one is different. In fact it is more of a story:
The Israeli soldiers were hit by mortar fire from afar. They detected the source of the fire and shot back. As the result the mortar squad along with some high ranking HAMAS officers were killed. It turned out that the mortar squad fired from the school. I don't even know (and probably never will) whether the Israeli soldiers knew what exactly the were firing at or just shot back to the source of the mortars. Whatever the case may be, as sad as I am that so many innocent children died in there, retaliating fire on forces that attack you is one of the most basic tactics and I honestly don't see what other choice did the Israeli soldiers have.
On that note I would like to raise up another point. It seems that since the ground forces entered Gaza HAMAS is showing it's true face. Here are some of the things that HAMAS activist do: pillaging food and other humanitarian supplies provided by Israel and Egypt, firing from places with civilians in them (like the school), barging into peoples' homes and [probably] not letting those people get out, taking up little children on their arms and carrying them from one spot to another when they need to move somewhere. In other words, using all possible methods to shield themselves with civilians.
Now, I'm not saying it to show that HAMAS is bad (I don't think anyone really doubts that). I'm saying this to make this point: HAMAS is firing at our civilians and uses its own civilians (who chose HAMAS to protect them) as a shield. Can we really afford to ourselves stopping now and let them feel they won? Can we really afford to ourselves to let them feel that hurting civilians from both sides is the best way to resolve a conflict? Can we really afford to ourselves to let them get what they want in such a manner? Is this the message that we and the rest of the free world want to send to HAMAS and other terrorist groups? I hope not.
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posted January 06, 2009 08:49 PM |
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Our nations, Vokial, have their share of bloodshed behind them too. Yours joined the Germans in both world wars and committed quite some atrocities.
When? During the WW2, we saved the bulgarian jews. Also the bulgarian army was occupation army, when it was on german side, and never attacked civilians, but only Tito's partisans. During the socond phase of the war, we joined the Allies. Tsar Boris III was one of the gratest bulgarian rules for the century, who saved thousands of lifes, not only bulgarian lifes. The bulgarian army fought only againts enemy soldiers, and never against civilians. We also never repressed foreign population during the wars. After the first Balkan war all turkish inhabitants were let to go back in the Ottoman Empire, unhurt.
Also you can't compare a World war and a local conflict, basicaly in one state.
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posted January 06, 2009 08:55 PM |
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And before Britain conquered it? Mind you, conquest in those days would be condemned by modern international law.
Exactly like anti said. It wasn't controlled by the Arabs, it was controlled by the Othmanian Empire (Today Turkey).
"Othmanian Empire" ended it's history with the WW1...
And after the WW1 had ended, it was given to the British so they help the Jews to base their own state in the area, according to Balfour's Declaration. It was never in the hands of the Palestinians, we never took this peace of land from them.
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