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DarkCrystal
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posted April 12, 2009 06:40 PM |
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Block is different. Notice the different damage calculation.
Well, I was going to confirm new damage calculating, damage = attack - defense, because at the current way attack was overpowered. (Same with Spell Power) But I don't know how would Evasion do. It's his game now.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted April 12, 2009 07:07 PM |
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Another idea:
Berserk - +3 attack, -2 defense, -2 agility
Particularly effective against casters, but not all that helpful against other fighters.
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DarkCrystal
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posted April 12, 2009 07:12 PM |
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Another idea:
Berserk - +3 attack, -2 defense, -2 agility
Particularly effective against casters, but not all that helpful against other fighters.
It makes sense, but ability is not fitting the game mechanics. I mean that this ability is preparing-like, but it should be combat ability.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted April 12, 2009 07:15 PM |
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No it is a combat ability.
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DarkCrystal
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posted April 12, 2009 07:19 PM |
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No it is a combat ability.
No, you don't understand. Imagine that you prepair Berserk and your stats changes. Next action is for example attack. And next action makes you to loose the effect of previous action (this is game mechanics). So Berserk will not affect attack. That's what I mean.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted April 12, 2009 07:22 PM |
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No berserk is included with the attack.
Here's an example:
Johnny has 5 attack, 5 def, 5 agility, and uses berserk.
Bob has 7 attack, 2 def, 4 agility, and attacks.
Bob has higher initiative and goes first, but because Johnny is preparing berserk for that round, the stats are already modified.
Bob has higher agility 4 > (5 - 2) and is guaranteed to hit.
Bob hits Johnny for 7 - 3 = 4
Johnny then attacks Bob, with a 75% chance to hit (3/4). He deals 6 = (5 + 3) - 2 damage. As you can see this isn't very effective against another fighter.
However it will work very nicely against a spellcaster.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted April 12, 2009 08:09 PM |
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I'll help work on proposing the spell damage calculations.
Battle spells
Most of battle spells are working on the Spell Power and Magic Resistance. Spell Power is same sa attack and Magic Resistance is same as Defence in that case.
Note: if enemy's "reduced" Magic Resistanse is higher than Spell Power and spell doesn't use defence, spell will not make damage.
1st level
Energy Orb
Makes a damage to your opponent
Damage = Spell Power - Magic Resistance(enemy's)
Mana cost: 1
Magic Fist
Use Defence instead of Magic Resistance
Damage = Spell Power - Defence(enemy's)
Mana cost: 1
2nd level
Fireball
Makes a high damamage to opponent.
Damage = Spell Power - 0.75*Magic Resistance(enemy's)
Mana cost: 3
Lightning
Makes a low damage to multi opponents.
3 opponents
Damage = Spell Power - 2Magic Resistance(enemy's)
2 opponents
Damage = Spell Power - 1.5*Magic Resistance(enemy's)
1 opponent
Damage = Spell Power - Magic Resistance(enemy's)
Mana cost: 2
3rd level
Ice Bolt
Use Defence as well as Magic Resistance. Reduce enemy's Defence with 1 point by each spell. Using Ice Bolt three times at one person in one battle can freeze him (watch cursing magic).
Damage = Spell Power - (0.5*Magic Resistance + 0.5*Defence)
Mana cost: 4
Wasp Swarm
Use Defence instead of Magic Resistance. Summon a wasp swarm which makes damage to opponent and then makes a low damage after next three enemy's actions.
First Damage = Spell Power - Defence
Next Damage = Spell Power - 2*Defence
Mana cost: 5
4th level
Stone Spikes
Deal damage to an enemy and reduces enemy's attack and defense by 2 and reduces enemy's agility by 1.
Damage = Spell Power - (0.4*Defence + 0.4*Magic Resistance)
Mana cost: 6
Divine Strike
Makes Gods to strike target. Damage depend from enemy's bless status.
Rejected
Damage = 1.25*Spell Power
Defector
Damage = Spell Power
<No status>
Damage = Spell Power - 0.5*Magic Resistance
Dedicated
Damage = Spell Power - Magic Resistance
Zealot
Damage = Spell Power - 1.5*Magic Resistance
Templar
Damage = Spell Power - 2*Magic Resistance
Archon
Damage = 0
Divine Hero
Damage = 0
Mana cost: 7
5th level
Explosion
Makes very high damage.
Damage = Spell Power
Mana cost: 10
Armageddon
Makes a high damage to all fighters including caster himself.
Damage = Spell Power - 0.75*Magic Resistance
Mana cost: 10
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DarkCrystal
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posted April 13, 2009 02:33 PM |
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About bersrek, maybe rename it to wrathful attack and make it go along with attack? So if somebody uses this action, his stats changes and then he immidiately attacks and the effect looses with next action.
About spells, it's good, but I think that Explosion should deal Spell Power - 0.25*Magic Resistance damage.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted April 13, 2009 04:19 PM |
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Alright, I think we need to establish some way in which to nerf mages.
I think the resistance change is a good start, but when you consider that fighters need at least 5 agility where as mages only need 2 mana.
The first nerf that I think would make the game interesting is the counterspell, which I've described before, I think there are some essential requirements to make this work properly.
Counterspell - Attempt to counter a spell coming from a target enemy. If that player tries to cast a spell this round, you have a chance to counter it as it is cast. The chance to counter is based on your magic resistance and the enemy's spell power.
Possible chance to counter = magic resistance/spell power
Possible Additional Effects to Counterspell:
1.) If the spell is successfully countered, you will deal damage to the caster equal to your spell power.
2.) If the spell is successfully countered, the player will be silenced for a number of rounds based on spell power.
Silence duration = spell power/4
3.) If the spell is succesffully countered, the player will lose mana equal to the cost of the spell that was attempted to be cast. (So mana will be spent when it begins to be cast, then loses more mana)
Other Ideas for Nerfing Casters:
1.) Increase cost of energy orb
2.) Remove Magic Fist and all spells that are based on opponents defense
3.) Give spells a chance to be 'dodged' by means of agility. Chance to dodge = 0.5*(agility/spell power). So suppose the mage has 10 spell power. Anyone with 1 agility will have a 5% chance to dodge the spell. A player with 11 agility will have a 55% chance to dodge the spell.
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Aculias
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posted April 13, 2009 05:14 PM |
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Hey you know once a month we should have a tournament.
Everyone who is playing can sign up.
Have an elimination tournament & the last man standing can win experience etc.
Maybe make a new thread only for tournies.
Of course one or all the gods can choose who will face who then the next person after etc 
What do yall think?
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Ednaguy
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posted April 13, 2009 05:16 PM |
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3.) Give spells a chance to be 'dodged' by means of agility. Chance to dodge = 0.5*(agility/spell power). So suppose the mage has 10 spell power. Anyone with 1 agility will have a 5% chance to dodge the spell. A player with 11 agility will have a 55% chance to dodge the spell.
Maybe this shouldn't be added to every spell, but to spells like "Magic Fist" and "Wasp Swarm", since you would be more probable to dodge a wasp swarm than, i.e. a lightning bolt.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted April 13, 2009 05:21 PM |
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Well I was thinking that you could probably dodge a fireball or energy orb if you were fast enough. To dodge a lightning bolt, probably not. But I think that some spells could be dodgable.
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Aculias
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posted April 13, 2009 06:32 PM |
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Cant we begin with 20 health then just 10.
Pretty lame when I die without even giving out a command LOL.
It would make the match longer & more interesting.
All you have to do is say Orb or attack & boom thats it lol.
I think there should be more health to start with ?
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Ednaguy
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posted April 13, 2009 06:43 PM |
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20 hp is a good idea, as it would limit casters abilities, as they'd be more probable to run out of mana.
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Well I was thinking that you could probably dodge a fireball or energy orb if you were fast enough. To dodge a lightning bolt, probably not. But I think that some spells could be dodgable.
This would add more diversity to the spells 
Now where's evasion?
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Ednaguy
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posted April 13, 2009 06:52 PM |
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YOUR HELP AND CONSIDERATION IN THIS MATTER IS GREATLY APPRECIATED
If there's no free stuff or no chances of winning anything I won't bother 
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RedSoxFan3
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posted April 13, 2009 06:55 PM |
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I think adding some sort of randomization would benefit this game a lot. As of right now, damages are too exact. We need some luck involved to keep things exciting. I shouldn't be able to calculate out in my head that I'm going to kill a person on turn 1 or 2 in every single game.
So here I have some proposals for how to make things more exciting.
1.) Damage Modifier Rolls
This completely depends on the spell, weapon, or style of attack.
Let's say your garden variety damage modifier roll looks like this.
Min = -50; Max = +50
Now let's say that your attack is 10 and your enemy has 8 defense. And you roll a +25.
Damage = Attack * DMRoll - Defense = 10 * 1.25 - 8 = 12.5 - 8 = 4.5 = 5
Now let's say that you roll a -43.
Damage = 10 * 0.57 - 8 = 5.7 - 8 = -2.3 = 0
2.) Miss Modifier Rolls
This also completely depends on the spell, weapon or style of attack.
The garden variety miss modifier would look like this.
Min = -10; Max = +10
Now let's say that you roll a -5. This decreases your chance to hit by 5%. So suppose that you have 11 agility and your opponent has 1 agility. When you attack, you and roll a -5 MMRoll, you now have a 5% chance to miss that attack.
Now let's say you have 1 agility and your opponent has 10. Normally you'd have a 10% chance to hit. But after rolling a -10, you have no chance of hitting him.
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Ednaguy
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posted April 13, 2009 06:57 PM |
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I think agility is random enough as it is, and it would be even more work for the Gods, but I like the idea of a damage range 
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Evasion
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posted April 13, 2009 07:21 PM |
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I'm thinking... Well, what about a couple of new spells? Would that be OK, guys? So you would have lots of choices?
And skills, is that OK? Like Magic Schools in heroes
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Ednaguy
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posted April 13, 2009 07:24 PM |
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Sounds great, but IMO we should deal with the balance issues a little before adding new stuff to the game.
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Evasion
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Groovy!
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posted April 13, 2009 07:34 PM |
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Argh, and I've wrote lots of stuff already -.-
I'll update them later, write the stuff and see what you'll think about it.
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