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DagothGares
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posted April 26, 2009 06:02 PM

And elvin hazs become th first person who totally used the word utopia in it's correct meaning!
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posted April 26, 2009 06:17 PM

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If people had the maturity and we could depend on one another possibly. But as long as we think every man for himself and not about the common good it will remain a utopia.


I agree...but beeing an utopia does not mean that we can't try to mature and make it a little less of utopia ending in it being real...
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posted April 26, 2009 06:54 PM

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Anarchy is the opposit of Order.
Anarchy does not mean chaos or lawlessness.
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posted April 26, 2009 06:55 PM

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Anarchy is the opposit of Order.
Anarchy does not mean chaos or lawlessness.


Not this **** again...Please
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posted April 26, 2009 10:21 PM

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Anarchy does not mean chaos or lawlessness.
Yes it does. "Chaos" in the philosophical sense, and "lawlessness" in the governmental sense.

Oh wait, you like to complicate matters, maybe add "Pure Anarchy" right? Why?
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posted April 26, 2009 10:25 PM

Anarchy is Disorder Disorder is bad Pirates are bad Pirates live in Somalia Somalia is an anarchy.

Water-tight.
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posted April 26, 2009 10:26 PM

Actually, Somalia is the only country officially under anarchy...

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posted April 26, 2009 11:18 PM

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"Chaos" in the philosophical sense
What?

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"lawlessness" in the governmental sense
Under anacho-capitalism, private law institutions (court, police, etc) would arise. Still no government, though.
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posted April 26, 2009 11:26 PM
Edited by xerox at 23:31, 26 Apr 2009.

Ok, so no governent.

I still dont get how magic = anarachy
Obviously the governement would have magical barriers and anti-magic protection.

In my fantasy book the humans always used magic but they were not aware of it. They believed that they granted such powers by their goddess.
They mostly used Restoration and Fire magic due to their religion.

Then the Snow Elves come and teach them magic cause they think that the humans wont survive the half-giant (Nordyr) invasion otherwise and they need humans to survive because of a prophecy (which comes true in another trilogy).

The nobles feel threatened by the spellcasters and understandable, so do the church as they see it as a new form of religion.
So the Kingdom splits up in half and soon a civil war starts - which is very bad because the war agains the Nordyr is much more critical and the Nordyr would obviously exploit the situation and strike at the humans when they are split and weakened.

Of course this was only a short summary.

Also the leaders of the magic humans is named Eldritch and so my version of the Arcane is named after him and called Eldritch (since there is no word for Arcane in swedish and Eldritch sounds better then Arkan in swedish).

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DagothGares
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posted April 26, 2009 11:27 PM

Have it your way, then.

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posted April 26, 2009 11:35 PM
Edited by mamgaeater at 23:36, 26 Apr 2009.

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"lawlessness" in the governmental sense
Under anacho-capitalism, private law institutions (court, police, etc) would arise. Still no government, though.

If laws are enforced then there is a government. just not in the traditional sense.

wait? anararchy?
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posted April 27, 2009 12:01 AM

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I still dont get how magic = anarachy
Dude, will you drop the red 'a' already? It sounds so silly.

It's not about magic, it's about power. Imagine, xerox, that everyone had nukes, for example.

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Obviously the governement would have magical barriers and anti-magic protection.
Obviously "the government" equals "a few bunch of people" so any protection they can have, the citizens have the multiplied by millions. So they can break it instantly.

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In my fantasy book
And what's your point? I mean it's not like people haven't also wrote how people live in harmony without wars etc... doesn't look like reality.
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posted April 27, 2009 12:07 AM

But magic doesnt nescessary mean superweapons
Atleast in my books (lol again, I do this to annoy you ) you get destroyed yourself if you expose yourself to high eldritch energies. The only time its used as a superweapon is in the final battle in the civil war. They then combine their power and the powers of all ley-line crossing to create a huge implosion (which looks like the one in H5, only bigger and with a huge rising spire). The Implosion creates a black hole effect which bends reality and acts as a portal to the Spirit World.


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posted April 27, 2009 12:36 AM

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If laws are enforced then there is a government. just not in the traditional sense.
The government is an agency of legitimized coercion. Private coercion would not be legitimate.
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posted April 27, 2009 12:57 AM

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But magic doesnt nescessary mean superweapons
Why would a bunch of people in the government have more superweapons from magic than ordinary citizens?

@mvass: hmm, I don't get what you're arguing for then. It means my point that it means 'lawlessness' is correct, since no one has legislative "rights".
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posted April 27, 2009 01:15 AM

I'm talking about this.
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posted April 27, 2009 01:24 AM

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I'm talking about this.
I just read the first part of it and it already confirms what I said.

"Law" is only defined by those with legislative authority. This does NOT apply to private firms, no matter how powerful. If they literally tell what others can and can't do, it is still lawless, because no one actually can bring up actual 'laws'.
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posted April 27, 2009 02:47 AM

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In such an anarchist society, who would make the laws? On what basis would the private arbitrator decide what acts were criminal and what their punishments should be? The answer is that systems of law would be produced for profit on the open market, just as books and bras are produced today. There could be competition among different brands of law, just as there is competition among different brands of cars.

In such a society there might be many courts and even many legal systems. Each pair of protection agencies agree in advance on which court they will use in case of conflict. Thus the laws under which a particular case is decided are determined implicitly by advance agreement between the protection agencies whose customers are involved. In principle, there could be a different court and a different set of laws for every pair of protection agencies. In practice, many agencies would probably find it convenient to patronize the same courts, and many courts might find it convenient to adopt identical, or nearly identical, systems of law in order to simplify matters for their customers.


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"Law" is only defined by those with legislative authority.
Not always. See common law.
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posted April 27, 2009 03:49 AM

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I still dont get how magic = anarachy
Dude, will you drop the red 'a' already? It sounds so silly.

You are discriminating against reds?
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