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posted May 25, 2009 10:31 PM
Edited by angelito at 22:32, 25 May 2009.

What Do You Really Know About The Bible?

A friend of mine sent me this link, which leads to a serious quiz refering to the bible. 50 Questions have to be answered.

Bible Quiz

Of course my results were not that good, because I didn't learn the bible by heart. But I would recommend everyone here doing that test and especially reading the answers and explanations later.

I was very surprised about some answers, and maybe some of our "hardliners" can tell here if those answers given there are correct, and what their opion is about them.

Just one example:

How should parents treat a stubborn and rebellious son?

He should be stoned to death. --This cruelly excessive Mosaic law was actually enforced at one time by the Massachusetts colony and has been used to justify child abuse and murder.
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them; Then shall his father and mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:17) "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he that cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

Quite interesting "rule" for an all loving God...

And there are many more surprising answers like that...but look up for yourself
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posted May 25, 2009 10:56 PM
Edited by del_diablo at 22:59, 25 May 2009.

"A man or a woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:27)

Last time i checked this was wrong, if a evildoer practice magic they shall be killed.
Some of the questions is a little speculative since its multiple instantes trough the book that similar things is raised, other mentions spesific events.

Edit: Looked further down, it points quite good.
Edit 2: I also mixed up a little bit of Korean
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posted May 25, 2009 11:02 PM
Edited by Celfious at 23:14, 25 May 2009.

SPOILERS: READ THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK IT CONTAINS SPOILERS.

First, I will say that in my opinion, this is the mother load of biblical invalidation. Read this at your own risk.

Now, I will paste the segments of the bible which include not one but two very unreasonable bits of information. One is outrageously illogical, the other is proving the bible -if it were true- to be a cheat sheet of sorts. However, when comparing both of these items in certain existing perspectives it is reasonably considered proof against the bibles validity.

This is your last chance people.. you dont have to read this.

Okaaaayyy... Here it is. Both items are taken directly from any copy of King James Version. However it probably does not matter what translation you use. Moving on

(edit, i forgot to mention, both of these facts are in the same chapter of the same book. Revelations 14)

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14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.


Exhibit A, underlined.
This translates to -now correct me if I am mistaken- 144,000 people will make it past the pearly gates / into heaven / given the gift of everlasting life with this creator.

How many people live now? over 6 billion
How many people have lived before now? Probably more than 6 billion
How many people to come? We cant be sure, so to improve the Christians claims, the results of this argued point will specify ZERO as how many people are to live in the future from now.

We'll even cut the figures down to 10 billion.
I am not the best at math, can someone verify the answer for me please?
144,000/10,000,000
That means that only every .00144 people will make it to heaven!!. I am compelled to remind you the 10,000,000 humans to ever exist in the past/present/future is highly an understatement.

Exhibit B
Same chapter, same book, any copy.
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14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
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14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

It's actually important to read all of those 2.3 verses because you will come to the understanding that the bible tells you simply not to take the mark! Not to worship any beasts. It's that simple. All you must know according to this very chapter, is that if you want to be part of the divine 144,000, dont take the mark... Dont worship beasts..

It's that simple.

Combine these two exhibits to come to this conclusion. Wait.. wait.. I lost it.. Sorry but you must think for yourselves on this one.. I wouldn't want to be in a race against you so I could win. Thanks for your time yaa..!!!

p.s.. I warned you

p.s.s I love the concept of christianity, so if anyone can prove me wrong I will like.. Thank you a lot, because I will then be able to look towards that path again
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posted May 26, 2009 01:11 AM

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I was very surprised about some answers, and maybe some of our "hardliners" can tell here if those answers given there are correct, and what their opion is about them.


I have addressed this about 30 times on this forum.

First, the nation of Israel was under the Old Covenant. There was a civil penalty for sinning IN ISRAEL. The Jews did not go roaming the world looking for sinners to punish.

Second, EVERY Jew living in Israel took a vow to keep the Law and repeated the penalties for breaking the Law.

Third, no one was forced to live in Israel. If they did not want to worship God and did not like the Law they could certainly move elsewhere.

Fourth, the church is not the physical nation of Israel. The church has no civil penalties for sin. The church is not authorized to punish sin in any way beyond disfellowshipping a member who refuses to repent after several attempts to bring him to repentance.

Now, a lot of folks seem to be ignorant of the fact that Christians are not and never have been under the Old Covenant. Christians are under the New Coveanant, which started when Christ rose from the dead, ascended to heaven, and began to pour out his Spirit.

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How should parents treat a stubborn and rebellious son?


So anyone who tells you that Christians are to stone rebellious sons is either:

1)ignorant of the New Testament OR

2) a liar who is just Christian bashing

#2 is the usual case. Christian bashers seem to have no qualms about being deceptive so be careful when you are talking to one or they may deceive you. It is hard to have any kind of civil discussion with them or exchange ides because of their deep seated and abiding hatred for Christians and their willingness to distort anything to attack Christians. So I'd advise you to be very carreful of what you read on the internet.

@ Celfious

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is a symbolic book. The number of the saved is not limited to 144,000 people and never says so. That number has a particular meaning.

In fact, if you had bothered to read the book instead of copying and pasting from a Christian bashing site you would see that anyone can be saved.

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Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Rev 22:17  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

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posted May 26, 2009 01:24 AM
Edited by Celfious at 01:29, 26 May 2009.

I read a lot of the book, unfortunately my mind was more in tuned to pick up contradictions and unreasonable .. things.. etc...

Before I retort to your response I will ask a question. Why, would someone so all powerful, Godly even, come to us and speak to us in our language... And use the word "soon", when around 2000 years later there has been no sign of revelation or return of the Son? In modern definition, there is not a hint of indication that "soon" means 20 generations or more. So, why would one so Godly speak to us using our words, with deception, or at the least use a very misleading approach? It is infact highly possible, "soon" to God means a trillion years.. But, when communicating with his loved creations, I would expect him to communicate in a way which we follow every last word so that we may remember, cherish, love, and hold dearly until time ends, the contact from our beloved creator. Yet, my expectations have been .. well..  To much I guess, no matter how reasonable and logical they seem.

And why.. I ask, literally, not attacking, just, asking.. Why would the book of revelations contradict for instance your selected verse? There are actually several verses which include what is considered divine wisdom on the way to be saved with seemingly no obstacle but accepting the Son as our savior. Yet in chapter 14 revelations there is either the case of A: another misleading approach by divinity itself -by God like influence on mans hand- or B: a pure contradiction between the verses I underlined, and the verses you posted, among all the other similar verses like the one you posted.

Trust me, if I could believe, I would, however.. It is nearly impossible for me too, no matter how much I could possibly want too in my heart mind soul & spirit. So maybe.. you??? Are the one? Yes? To help me see the light?

I am willing, however the obstacles are enormous.

If the questions seem beyond your scope I would be willing to speak with someone else... anyone
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posted May 26, 2009 05:53 AM

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I read a lot of the book, unfortunately my mind was more in tuned to pick up contradictions and unreasonable .. things.. etc...


Oh really. What "contradictions" did you see in reading the Bible?

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Why, would someone so all powerful, Godly even, come to us and speak to us in our language..


Why not?

A fundamental characteristic of God is love. From the beginning he has interacted with man.

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And use the word "soon", when around 2000 years later there has been no sign of revelation or return of the Son?


Soon is a relative term.

2Pe 3:8  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

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So, why would one so Godly speak to us using our words, with deception, or at the least use a very misleading approach?


There is nothing deceptive about what Jesus or his apostles said. You don't like God not keeping to your timetable? Tough.

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But, when communicating with his loved creations, I would expect him to communicate in a way which we follow every last word so that we may remember, cherish, love, and hold dearly until time ends, the contact from our beloved creator.


Actually Jesus said not to worry bout when he is returning because nobody will know. He said what you need to know is that you had better be ready when he returns.

Mat 24:44  Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

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Yet, my expectations have been .. well..  To much I guess, no matter how reasonable and logical they seem.


Please. You have not been eagerly awaiting the Lord's return.

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And why.. I ask, literally, not attacking, just, asking.. Why would the book of revelations contradict for instance your selected verse?


It does not. You want to interpret the 144,000 as only 144,000 people being saved. Or rather the Christian bashing site you quoted it from does. But that is not the case and is not stated as such in the Scripture.

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There are actually several verses which include what is considered divine wisdom on the way to be saved with seemingly no obstacle but accepting the Son as our savior.


Not so. Ther are people who ignorantly or willfully take verses out of context. In reading the Bible you can't just pick a random verse and read it and make a doctrine out of it. The Bible was written in books not verses. You can pull a single verse out of any book and make it mean a lot of things.

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Yet in chapter 14 revelations there is either the case of A: another misleading approach by divinity itself -by God like influence on mans hand- or B: a pure contradiction between the verses I underlined, and the verses you posted, among all the other similar verses like the one you posted.


Sorry but the passage in Revelation dealing with the 144,000 is not about how to get saved. The person at the Christian bsshing site who wrote that is either 1) ignorant of the Bible OR 2) a liar. You know which one I believe he is.



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posted May 26, 2009 06:31 AM

Well, honestly I never once went to an Anti Christ site. I have not been to any kind of christian bashing site, and trust me, I know how to see things from multiple perspectives enough to see through at least half of what they probably say.

The problem is, I see things from multiple perspectives. When for instance I read "Divine" things, this curse of mine to see from other perspectives -sometimes it is nice to have though- defiantly prohibits me from "salvation"

I didn't write down ever contradiction, and I dont remember even chapters let alone verses of the other main contradiction I saw. I know it is talking about the death of Judas in two different chapters though. And they both vary.

I have almost always had a place in my peaceful spirit or something for Christians. I feel they follow a good cause. However I cant believe it myself. I tried for well over 10 years -admittedly on and off, but on for good strong durations with serious desire to cross this obstacle- I have given up on other ways of life as well. Something that plays a large role is the well known series of repeating the same thing over and over expecting different results.

I have in a sad sense completely given up. I have only a fragment of hope yet personal experience with trying to build up this fragment has let me down time after time, etc, etc.

So, All I can do is try to live a good peaceful positive life. I cant go through the "getting saved" where I am baptized or people surround me in public prayer. I was to focused on seeing, or feeling, hearing, sensing, anything, but nothing ever came.

I am sorry for myself, and honestly sorry that I say this to you but, if christianity is real, there is not a single chance I can make it without some divine miracle that takes place in some deep existence within myself. Even though I have a tiny fragment of hope left, I find it to be useless, because of my past attempts to harness much larger quantities.

:/

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posted May 26, 2009 08:00 AM

Does the bible actually say those things? Some seem wrong on so many levels, I mean I always considered the first part as Jewish mythology with with the new testament being the one with the universal Christianity values. From the punishments applied, highly patriarchical, what is considered unclean - I see harsh judgemental views.
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posted May 26, 2009 08:12 AM

There is the Old Testiment which indeed had some pretty nasty things, harsh rules, and such.  Then there is the New Testament where though there are somethings that are still .. questionable is a bit more mellow.  A lot of times they even contridict each other.

For instance Old Testiment is "Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth", while the New is "Turn the other cheek".  There are many speculations why this may be, but here is the version I personally like (though what the real reason for the change is..only god would know).  After God had a kid, he sort of mellowed out.  Started trying to set a good example for his son.  It became more about "Love for your fellow man" then "Survive at all cost" also.

In other words I think God had to start out strict, because man was wild.  Then as mankind settled down a little, and he had his own child, he mellowed out some.  He knew man would need strict guidence for a period of time, but after that things would improve and he could relax a little.  I have no way of KNOWING that however, but it is what I believe.

Only I don't think that 'God' only sent the 'true word' to Christians.  He also has many forms, and to reach the widest 'audience' wrote many good books.  Books that he knew man would probably use for their own agenda, but knew that it would also reach people who would understand.  It would be like if we got a basic way to talk to ants..we might have to change what we say just a little for each type of ant so more could understand us.   We'd also probably have to keep it simple, and hope for the best.

But what do I know?  Carry on
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posted May 26, 2009 08:18 AM

I don't understand how one can take the bible seriously. Ok it's the holy book of Christians, so what?
Ask the Pope what he'd treat a stubborn and rebellious son. He sure as hell won't stone him to death, don't you think? How old is the bible anyways? Dude not even Amish people who still live in the middle ages would do that.

It's so ridicolous to use all these quotes from the bible as actual criticsm for a religion. Sooooo "kleinkarriert"  (you know a proper translation angelito?).
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posted May 26, 2009 08:20 AM

According to a German-English dictionary (I had to run a search for the word because I didn't know what language it was. XD):

It means small-minded.
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I know it is talking about the death of Judas in two different chapters though. And they both vary.


No. Judas hung himself and either the rope broke or the limb broke and he fell and splatted on the ground. No crontradiction.

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For instance Old Testiment is "Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth", while the New is "Turn the other cheek".


"Eye for an eye" means the punishment must fit the crime.

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Deu 19:17  Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
Deu 19:18  And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
Deu 19:19  Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
Deu 19:20  And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.
Deu 19:21  And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.


Remember that the Jews live in THE NATIION of Israel. All nations have civil law. The judges were to make sure to punish the guilty but to not go beyond what is fair. This would be a deterent to furthur misdeeds and prevent fueds between the tribes.


By "turn the other cheek" Jesus was saying don't always insist on your "rights." Jesus lived a sacrificial life and called on his followers to do the same.

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Mat 16:24  Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.


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Then as mankind settled down a little, and he had his own child, he mellowed out some.


God has not changed. And Jesus is God existing as a man, not God Junior.

God was instructing the nation of Israel how to handle lawbreakers and as Jesus he was instructing his disciples how to respond when their rights are being trampled on in their personal iives.

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posted May 26, 2009 09:27 AM

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God has not changed. And Jesus is God existing as a man, not God Junior.
Why does he call him "Father" then when he was hanging on the cross?
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posted May 26, 2009 09:54 AM
Edited by Mytical at 09:56, 26 May 2009.

That is debated Angelito.  Some say he said "Father why hath tho forsaken me" others claim he said "Into thy hands I release my soul" or something like that at least.  What was actually said may never be known, because everybody seems to have a different version handed down to them.  It is like eye witnesses, they never actually see exactly the same thing, but this is like the eyewitnesses were the great grandparents of the people being asked what was seen.

Edit : However, I believe there are some versions of the bible that do state that Jesus called god his 'father'.  So...
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posted May 26, 2009 09:56 AM
Edited by Lexxan at 09:57, 26 May 2009.

Wow. I was surprised at some really dumb, if not cruel, revelations in the test.

Well, am I just glad I failed that test. (22)

Either way, the GOD from the Old Testemony is not the "Loving God with his Son Jesus", but the "Old Hebrew God". Though they are depicted as the same ... erm... being, they are not.
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I agree Lex.  People seem to think God does not change, but I disagree.  In fact I still think that God has 'shapeshifted' and is actually the being behind most of the worlds religions that preach peace and harmony.  People write the 'holy text' and twist it to fit what they want it to say.  Sometimes the original message got lost along the way.  Do I think Jesus was the son of god?  I honestly don't know, wasn't there.  Just remember that the bible was once handwritten, handcopied.  Sometimes parts would be 'modified', left out, or outright just mistranslated.  This is just my opinion, and not meant to degrade or belittle any religion.

As long as people follow the 'spirit' of religion.  "Love one another, treat others like you want to be treated, etc" then to me it is all good.  Budda, Christ, Jehova, the flying monkeys of rx 7.  Doesn't matter to me what you believe in, just don't try to tell me that I am going to some bad place because I don't worship YOUR version of god.  It is between ME and MY god, not you.  
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posted May 26, 2009 10:12 AM

Maybe...

I just think that GOD is what you make of him. He can be Cruel or Loving, depending on what you believe in.

Theologically speaking though, the Old Testemony has little to do with Christianity itself, which tale is written down in the New Testemony. The Old One is pure Hebrew Lore. Most things in that Test were from the Old One, and, I repeat, that God his little to do with the Christian one, both in Religion as in Demeanor.
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God has not changed. And Jesus is God existing as a man, not God Junior.
Why does he call him "Father" then when he was hanging on the cross?


The Old Covenant prophets said the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God, would be born into the world as a Son. Jesus is the Father existing as a man. When God began to exist as a man he did not cease to exist as the Spirit who fills and transcends all of space and time. Jesus is the human manifestation of God.

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The human manifestation of God was limited to human knowledge (except for times the Spirit revealed things to him.) Jesus lived a completely human life. He prayed, got hungry, ect, like all humans do. The human manifestation of God prayed to the Spirit.

It was God existing a man who died on the cross.

Act 20:28  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

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1Jn 3:1  Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:16  Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.


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1Co 1:21  For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 2:7  But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8  Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.


Jesus said that he is the I AM (Jehovah) who spoke to Moses out of the burning bush. (The word "he" is not in the Greek text.

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Joh 8:24  I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.


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I agree Lex.  People seem to think God does not change, but I disagree.  In fact I still think that God has 'shapeshifted' and is actually the being behind most of the worlds religions that preach peace and harmony.  People write the 'holy text' and twist it to fit what they want it to say.


You are entitled to your belief but the Bible does not bear witness to your claims.

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Just remember that the bible was once handwritten, handcopied.  Sometimes parts would be 'modified', left out, or outright just mistranslated.  This is just my opinion, and not meant to degrade or belittle any religion.


Except that we have many thousands of manuscripts of the Bible (far more than other ancient document.) We know from textual criticism that we have the original words of the Bible to 99.9% accuracy.

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Rarensu
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posted May 26, 2009 11:34 AM
Edited by Rarensu at 11:39, 26 May 2009.

A Simple Character Analysis of the Old Testament

The Old Testament can be divided into two halves: pre-Moses and post-Moses.

Before Moses, God's name was Elohim. He was a nice guy who didn't hurt anyone. He believed in Freedom. Lucifer, one of God's angriest angels, believed in Law and Order. Unfortunately, they got into a fight about it.

Here's the tricky part: Lucifer supposedly gave Eve the power of knowledge, which traded their innocence for Free Will. Why would he do that? That's acting for God's side of the argument. Lucifer would have wanted Eve to stay innocent. That's the first clue.

Then there was some kind of war in heaven, and somebody got kicked out. We're told it was Lucifer, but really we don't have much information about this. It is unclear whether this happens before or after Abraham's revelations.

Now the next time God appears, he is speaking to Moses and he has a new name: Yahweh (or Jehovah, depending on how you translate). He also has a new personality. He gives Moses the Ten Commandments. Now why would he do that? That's acting for Lucifer's side of the argument: Law and Order. That's the second clue. In addition, Yahweh begins acting violently on a regular basis, which does not at all seem like Elohim.

God's enemy has a new name too: Satan. This name was actually given to him by a catholic pope. It's Arabic for "adversary". He too has a new personality. He encourages people to do what they want instead of following God's rules. Now why would he do that? That's acting for God's side of the argument (Free Will). That's the third clue.

If you do a strict literary analysis of these three clues, then it is not hard to come to the conclusion that we are being lied to about the outcome of the "war in heaven", in which God and Lucifer fight over the issue of Free Will vs Law and Order.

Suppose for a moment that the Fall from Grace actually happened the other way around: Elohim gives Eve the power of Knowledge and Lucifer wins the war. Now, suddenly, everything makes sense. Lucifer wrote the Ten Commandments? That's definitely something he would do. Elohim encourages people to break Lucifer's rule? That's within his personality. In my opinion this is the story that we should be using.

Elohim = Satan, Lucifer = Yahweh?

The implications of this are staggering. For one, it means that ruler-ship of Heaven can change hands. It also means that a huge amount of the Old testament is lies and propaganda designed to solidify Lucifer's control. Furthermore, many of the things that are considered to be "the devil's influence" are actually the work of Elohim, the real Hero of this story.

I don't follow the teachings of Christ, but If I did, I would be forced to call myself a "Satan-worshiping Christian". This is not a contradiction. It is possible to follow the teachings of Christ without acknowledging Yahweh as the rightful ruler of the universe. There sufficient evidence to support a theory that Jesus knew about this as well.

Let the Rarensu Roasting begin!
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del_diablo
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posted May 26, 2009 11:56 AM

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Except that we have many thousands of manuscripts of the Bible (far more than other ancient document.) We know from textual criticism that we have the original words of the Bible to 99.9% accuracy.


Actually its not. 99% can be the words that got no meaning, while the 1% remaining can be what is the actuall defining factor.
But you did forget the cencoring and removing, just the writing of bible itself got atleast 20 versions. How? Start by selecting what parts you want in it, and what to cencor out to get your agenda working. Like cencoring out the gospel of Maria Magdalena, removing of Lillith, what words about Judas you wanted. It happend. Its cannot be denied.
After version 1 was out, then it started to really narrow. After that it was all about mistranslating it.
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