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posted July 25, 2009 09:28 PM |
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@ Xerox: It's okay. "The world is overpopulated anyway", right? 
@ TheDeath: If I get eaten by a shark, is that a crime? Nope. Animals can't be criminally charged. That being said, the shark has to catch me first.
And yes, this is hunting, by definition. I'm not sure what quantity has to do with it. If you shoot a herd of deer instead of a single deer, it will look the same way. But yet there's a lot of blood in it (animals don't squirt out pink sugar) so you're acting as if it's a murderous massacre. This is exactly the purpose of that deceptive webpage: it gets it's inconsistent message across through shock-value images.
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posted July 25, 2009 09:29 PM |
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I'll repeat the question. Are you guys vegetarian?
If you eat meat, what you see in the pics is realty, period. If you think it's cruel, then stop eating meat.
What you see in those pictures is probably only what the people in a medium size city eat in a single day.
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posted July 25, 2009 09:32 PM |
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You shoot a herd of deer instead of a single deer, it will look the same way.
And that my friend is called poachering.
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posted July 25, 2009 09:36 PM |
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It's not poaching. It's killing enough animals to feed a small number of people. There are millions and millions of animals killed each day for that purpose. Those pictures are NOTHING compared to what happens daily all around the world.
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posted July 25, 2009 09:37 PM |
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@ TheDeath: If I get eaten by a shark, is that a crime? Nope. Animals can't be criminally charged. That being said, the shark has to catch me first.
And yes, this is hunting, by definition. I'm not sure what quantity has to do with it. If you shoot a herd of deer instead of a single deer, it will look the same way. But yet there's a lot of blood in it (animals don't squirt out pink sugar) so you're acting as if it's a murderous massacre. This is exactly the purpose of that deceptive webpage: it gets it's inconsistent message across through shock-value images.
Talk about deceptive message, your post kinda fills the bill.
Let's make this easy. How do you call a systematic killing? Assassination right?
How do you call a systematic killing of an entire group, like a small village or something?
I'll let you figure that one out.
And of course I'm acting as if it is a massacre, because it is a freaking massacre.
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posted July 25, 2009 09:43 PM |
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@Death: They are not wiping out a species, nor are they killing them because they are whales or dolphins. They are killing them because they're food. It is not genocide.
You can call it a massacre if you want to call it a massacre. It's hunting on a macro scale. If you take several hundred independent hunters and gather together their catches, it will total to a large amount of meat.
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posted July 25, 2009 09:47 PM |
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I see no reason not to kill animal if needed. They are excluded from our moral community and therefore can be hreated as every other object. It's up to your subjective sensitivity whether you like it or not.
But for sure 'tradition' is the worst explanation for any deeds, especially the ones of unknown purpose. What sense does it make to paint the lake with blood? I'm not up for it.
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posted July 25, 2009 09:50 PM |
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How are you supposed to do it without blood? It can't be done, animals contain blood and it's going to go somewhere, in this case into the water.
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posted July 25, 2009 09:53 PM |
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@Death: They are not wiping out a species, nor are they killing them because they are whales or dolphins. They are killing them because they're food.
Seriously, look up the story linked and stop making assumptions about "the food". But then again, cannibalism is also ok probably, just food. And even more so if it's tradition right? 
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You can call it a massacre if you want to call it a massacre. It's hunting on a macro scale. If you take several hundred independent hunters and gather together their catches, it will total to a large amount of meat.
"independent" is the word because it usually means a larger area.
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I see no reason not to kill animal if needed. They are excluded from our moral community and therefore can be hreated as every other object. It's up to your subjective sensitivity whether you like it or not.
Your flawed "morals" are "subjective sensitivity" too.
If you ask an assassin, he doesn't share them.
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posted July 25, 2009 09:53 PM |
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How are you supposed to do it without blood?
Walk away?
Takes too much effort probably.
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posted July 25, 2009 10:04 PM |
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@TheDeath:
It was difficult to read the article because of the author's inane babbling and ludicrous comparisons, but I did read it, and I already freely conceded that there is a regrettable waste of resources going on here since not all of the meat is used.
Using tradition is also a weak argument. The islanders would have been much better simply saying "We're a fishing community, which means we kill fish, now screw off." Then all the kids living in cities could wail about how they're barbarians while chewing on their ham sandwich and wiping their eyes off with a tissue laced with moisturizers partially made out of fish oil.
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posted July 25, 2009 10:13 PM |
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The article is show pictures, but its writing is very poor.
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You would think that the first world countries in Europe such as Denmark would never succumbed itself to i killing dolphins and whales just because its a tradition?
Last time i checked we Norwegians and the land we control also do this, except Dolphins do not live there but wales still does. Also hunting of other "innicont" animals, so meh.
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Faroe Islands (located in Denmark)
Part OF Denmark, not IN Denmark.
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If they were sharks, I don’t think they stand a chance in staging such massacre.
They would, and its called hunting.
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The owner of this photograph (above) posted this pic on his flickr account and seems to be proud of his achievements because he even justified that people are going and commenting on his photos because they are fantastic. What this amateur photographer doesnt know is that he is being branded by people all over the world as sick, insensitive and barbaric just like most of his fellows in Faroe Island are. Hi is totally clueles just like his fellow islanders. I dont know what this photographer will feel like if instead of blodied whales lying on the shore, its their own ghastly bodies that are slaughtered to pieces… FYI, this photograph was forwarded to me via email… and the man who claimed I posted this without permision is as deluded as his tradition! This photo is taken by Adolf Hitler! LOL
Read the passage i quoted over, read it. And then attempt to define failed critic <.<
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posted July 25, 2009 10:55 PM |
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"We're a fishing community, which means we kill fish, now screw off."
They're not fish, they're mammals. 
While I am certainly also against factory breeding meat, it isn't as bad as this. Those at least SHOULD be killed without pain and since they are bred, they wouldn't have been there anyway.
Not so with this. (I don't want to get into that subject again, about meat eating).
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posted July 25, 2009 11:44 PM |
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Its easy to see if its a fish or mammal. Whales (including Dolphines) have different fins then fish and sharks.
Mammal: <V>
Fish: VV
Its hard to do with letters lol. But that a Shark is a fish and a Dophine/Whale is a mammal is pretty much common sense anyway.
When I was in Egypt, there were bloody ANIMALS without skin on the STREETS hanging upside down. I was so disgusted.
This genocide is much different then slaugthering a pig living on a happy farm (if you live in a country that respects animal rights).
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posted July 26, 2009 12:13 AM |
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Well, according to the article this is just a tradition.
They don't really need the meat so this is just useless killing...
So I'm against this. Naughty naughty danes.
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posted July 26, 2009 12:53 AM |
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Well, according to the article this is just a tradition.
They don't really need the meat so this is just useless killing...
Exactly.
I mean, if the entire event is real, that is.
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posted July 26, 2009 02:22 AM |
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actually i dissagree death.what if one finds dolphine tastier then chicken,couldn't he hunt and eat? you can tell one what to eat?
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posted July 26, 2009 02:57 AM |
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So? These "dolphines" (that are not dolphins! Wikipedia says that Dolhpins only naturally live up to the US, Norway is elevated higher then the US, New York is actually at Spain) obviously get brutally slaugthered and mostly for tradition.
Sometimes, I really hate Denmark with all their "animal" scandals. In Sweden, there was a massive debate on how the danes were torturing and mass-breeding pigs. My parents dont buy Danish meat anymore. We buy from the happy pigs of Sweden
Spain also sucks with their sick games.
I regret learning Spanish in school as I suck at it. I should just have gone german as my mother but nobody wants to learn german in Sweden since we always travel to warm countries like Thailand and Spain and Greece every damn year.
Since im known for my lists, here are the best to worse Nordic countries.
1. Norway - Yes, Norway is better then Sweden. But I dont like that they ALSO eat whales etc. Plus, their nature is rather boring... Mountains and fjords :S
2. Sweden. - Comes second due to mass immigration and big problems with the amount of jobs.
3. Iceland - They also torture Whales etc. Why cant they just stick to Tuna fish? Oh wait, we are exterminating those.
4. Denmark - Because of the language, the danish patrioism and the animal torture.
5. Finland - Pretty much because everyone from Finland I have met online has been acting like an snow. I just dislike Finland in many race, but I dont want to get accused for racsism.
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posted July 26, 2009 04:08 PM |
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actually i dissagree death.what if one finds dolphine tastier then chicken,couldn't he hunt and eat?
What if one finds humans tastier than dolphins?
What if one finds my computer tastier than anything?
In the former situation, IMO they should eat themselves and stop involving something else. 
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you can tell one what to eat?
absolutely. I can also tell one what to not kill, and what to not blow up. If that makes be a ******* so be it but i see it the other way around.
It's not the eating that's bad, it's how you get it and at the moment, we can't artificially grow meat without involving others (animals).
It would be like the gladiator colosseum versus a computer game. Just make the difference. One involves others, the other is virtual and doesn't. Period.
Are you gonna say "what? can you tell one what to play? what if one likes real gladiators more?". Well sorry but that involves others so it shouldn't be only your call but theirs as well. I'm not aware of an animal wanting to be slaughtered.
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posted July 27, 2009 02:25 AM |
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why is pigs,cows,and horses are okay,but dolphines and whales aren't? couse there cute ?
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