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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted November 30, 2009 02:10 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 14:14, 30 Nov 2009.
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New developments  Both Nat and Pera are at 25 points, I cannot begin the next phase until they play at least one game. Even if I placed Nat first with the excuse that Pera is unwilling to play her it would mess up the pairs afterwards, I do not want that.
Pera get in here and kick her butt!
3 points were given for Elias' missing games and Zilo was removed from the second chart, Albo blackmailed me so I had no option on the matter  Plus he does have a point, he didn't even play half the games so it's unfair for the others. That way however maniek and mohikanin end up both having 14 points.. But here is the interesting part, maniek was missing 2 games with fiur and mohikanin 2 with valky so in a way it is fitting that they play each other for closure.
I am sorry it came to this but I hope you will both give me your best shot Good luck guys.
Three more days given.
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SKPRIMUS
Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
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posted November 30, 2009 02:38 PM |
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@Elvin, a few demands/requests: please do not totally delete the contributions of those who played & did not complete fully, ie. Mytical, Zilo, veco {unless the individual wishes it ofc but I will remember}
In the eyes of Primus, the winners have already been decided: Mytical & Elias_Maluco for playing many games with great attitude & contributing to the goodwill of the tourny  ...
Let's not forget that imaginary numbers always beat real numbers & DoctorDoodle is imbaa 
btw, I also see Larry is not excluded from Chaos Cup...hmm... 
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Elvin
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Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 30, 2009 02:50 PM |
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Damn straight Primus, both deserve praise for their contribution even if it wasn't in exciting games There are many ways to shine.
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albolabris
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posted November 30, 2009 02:56 PM |
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Yeah, blackmailing my specialty
Seriously, I think it's the right thing to do. If there are no 50% of played games the results should be canceled. Maniek and Mohikanin are used to that for sure, we always play with that rule in our league. I agree with Elvin about their direct clash. Both of them have 2 missing games. Maniek won the direct match but on the other hand Mohikanin lost point with Zilo after canceling of his scores. One more fight is a good idea. I hope you like it boys, fight for quarterfinal
Pera and Nat, you need to play just one game, not whole match It's really a shame that there are empty spots in the charts between you. Everybody i think was waiting for that clash and you just disappoint us all. Afraid of or hate each other ? Whatever the reason i'm sure you can play that one needed game. You will not settle this using Unknown. Direct game is needed so provide it.
Almost forgot. I think Lepas deserves some award for being the only player who completed his all games in a very reasonable time
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SKPRIMUS
Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
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posted November 30, 2009 03:15 PM |
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@albolabris, your reasoning is fine, nothing wrong with that...I did not mean in terms of fairness of score tables for determining final scores or whatever, I mainly meant in terms of not wiping off all records as if they did not play at all...they contributed to the tourny in a good way while some signed up but didn't play at all...
& also if you read history, you'll know that not everyone was waiting for that particular matchup you mentioned & could surely predict well in advance
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"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
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Elias_Maluco
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 30, 2009 03:21 PM |
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In the eyes of Primus, the winners have already been decided: Mytical & Elias_Maluco for playing many games with great attitude & contributing to the goodwill of the tourny...
Hehe, thanks a lot for the compliment. I had a really great time playing with you guys, even if I cant beat anyone. Looking foward to the Chaos Cup, I liked the Chaos map better.
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albolabris
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posted November 30, 2009 03:34 PM |
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& also if you read history, you'll know that not everyone was waiting for that particular matchup you mentioned & could surely predict well in advance
Maybe You'd like to share a bit more
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted November 30, 2009 05:15 PM |
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Elvin and albolabris please don`t give me advice, nobody asked u for it.
@Elvin, when I talked to you yesterday you said no problem that I didn't play Pera now there is a problem. Why did you make joke yesterday with me in msn when it is more than obvious that there is a problem. If pera will show up I will play him. I played one game with unknown and won it so I lead in group A by 1 point.
@albolabris, don`t tell me that it is shame when u don't know what exactly happened . I have finished my games 1 month ago and have been waiting for pera to unblock me - he is unwilling to do so so don`t blame me for this...first learn the facts then speak
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Lepastur
Known Hero
The Red Taskmaster
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posted November 30, 2009 06:27 PM |
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Elvin and albolabris please don`t give me advice, nobody asked u for it.
Advices are free, just the same way you're free about not taking them, so there's no need for this kind of attitude (it seems like if you have a warmonger unlockable, Nat :-P). I think this sort of things damages the image of the Tournament and make some members/players to be afraid of taking part into it, so better avoid this soap operas, please. It's just a ***king game, not a professional chess tournament with a 100.000$ prize.
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted November 30, 2009 06:45 PM |
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Nat, use your head. If I knew about the last match giving you both same points I would have personally asked him to play. And where exactly did you see my advice..?
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Elias_Maluco
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posted November 30, 2009 06:54 PM |
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I think this sort of things damages the image of the Tournament and make some members/players to be afraid of taking part into it, so better avoid this soap operas, please. It's just a ***king game, not a professional chess tournament with a 100.000$ prize.
Ahh, is not such a big problem.
I got to say that this kind of things add to the appeal of the tournament to me. All this serious fighting, all these discussions about every little issue: you guys are amazing, please never change (Im serious).
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted November 30, 2009 07:00 PM |
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You are running in circles alright, repeating the same story all over again. Same number of games for both and now I even increased number of duels to make it less a matter of chance. If you still allow him to gain more points than you then you don't deserve to call yourself a finalist.
Last day of the first phase 
I am not doing this for my own sake, as you are trying to paint it here, who knows if I am going to pass quarters, nor am I afraid of the extra fights, I just consider that rules set at the beginning of the tournament should be respected and not be toyed with in the middle of it.
Moreover, making the winner of the Chaos Cup jump over two of the most important phases of the Main tournament (Quarters and Semi-finals), not to mention the groups (which he obviously either skipped or didn't manage to pass), you are making the Main tournament look unserious and unimportant. And normally at this point, I would quit the tournament with no 2nd thought, because of this ambiguous style and rules, but since I know you and don't want to mess the tournament more, I will continue whatever solution you prefer, with hopes that it will be a better one, but even if it will be a weird one.
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Natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted November 30, 2009 07:06 PM |
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Elias that`s right
we need some action , not pussy attitude
Elvin when we talked yesterday I assumed u know that we have equal points. Pera`s match with Azagal was long time ago... Now I am one point ahead so no problem again.
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted November 30, 2009 07:54 PM |
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@Tower
Actually that was tongue in cheek. Nothing has changed, you can only blame me for not being specific in the first place. Either way you knew that the chaos finalist will enter play offs, just had a different idea of how that would be implemented.
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Lepastur
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The Red Taskmaster
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posted November 30, 2009 08:06 PM |
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I got to say that this kind of things add to the appeal of the tournament to me. All this serious fighting, all these discussions about every little issue: you guys are amazing, please never change (Im serious).
Yep, that's right. Sometimes is funny to read some whining for us, the old guard guys, specially Jinxer ones  , but it's still damaging anyway for the tournament, specially about the newcomers to join.
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Towerlord
Promising
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Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted December 01, 2009 09:07 AM |
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I assure you that was a serious post, not sarcasm, but you keep refusing to see the facts and mocking my words.
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Those who fail to enter the play-offs may take part in the Chaos Cup . It will be an elimination tournament whose victor gains a back-door entry to quarter finals In this version I will use albolabris' artifact system and virtually no artifact bans so you can expect a carnage  Broken spells like divine vengeance, cotn, word of light and rune of charge will still be banned, the purpose of such a tournament is to show creativity and have fun - not spam the same spells over and over.
In the quarter finals the chaos finalist plays the first player of both groups.
Keywords here are : back door entry, quarter finals and first player of both groups.
I am sure, playing first player of both groups in quarter finals, is a lot different from playing the winners of semifinals in a small final between the three guys.
You also keep not addressing the problem of the skipping some of the most important parts of the tournament(quarters and semifinals), but having a chance to access in the final of a tournament in which he didn't fight most parts of the way.
And I hope I will finally get a normal, non-sarcastic answer as well, on the problems I addressed here for so many times.
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted December 01, 2009 10:28 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 10:37, 01 Dec 2009.
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I never said the chaos finalist plays the winners of semifinals, just the winner of each group. And if by skip you mean fighting the best players whereas the best play lower ones then yes you are right.
An example, suppose Lepastur wins Chaos Cup. Then he has to play you and Natalka. While Natalka plays Mohikanin(or Maniek) and LordMichal or me. He faces a much harder challenge and by default he is not a player of your level. Even if he does win one of you which is unlikely he has to accumulate more points than a semifinalist to threaten his/her position.
All things considered taking a semifinalist's place is going to be hell, the odds are against him. If anyone you are the one painting it as a free pass which is anything but. And no I don't see sq coming out of nowhere to kick our sorry hides either, chances are only Primus will join outside this tournament. I have argued my case before and you keep bringing up the same arguments, we are not going to agree so let me do what I have in mind as the creator of the tournament. Back in arena I voiced my opinions to which you disagreed and I respected your decision, consider us even.
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Towerlord
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posted December 01, 2009 10:50 AM |
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I think I misunderstood you completely, and I am still a little confused by the system.
What I understand now is :
Natalka will have the following points (in case she qualifies to final):
3 wins from games vs Mohikanin/Maniek
3 wins from games vs You/Lord Michal
So 6 points overall.
The guy from Chaos Cup will have, x points from games vs. me(regardless if I am qualified or not in semifinal I am still his opponent) + x points from games vs. Natalka? If this score is higher than 6, than he passes to final?
If I am right, then perhaps this system makes more sense, cause it will be hell hard to get more than 6 wins out of us. And if I am wrong, then may I please ask for a full example of quarters + semifinal + Chaos Cup scenario , so that I understand better how it works ? I won't disagree in any way with it, just am curios about how it works.
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted December 01, 2009 11:21 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 11:22, 01 Dec 2009.
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Yes that is correct. I am working on something now so I'll give you a possible scenario a bit later but the basic idea is:
Semifinalist 1 gets x/3 points from quarterfinal game and x/3 from semifinal one.
Semifinalist 2 gets x/3 and x/3.
Chaos finalist gets x/3 from 1st player 1st group and x/3 from 1st player 2nd group.
The two players with most points proceed to finals. In case of same points between player 2 and 3 there will be an extra game to decide who passes.
Actually it might be easier to decide this if I just make it best of 5 duels than first to get three wins. That would make it harder to get a draw and give everyone same amount of games in case someone gets lucky and gets 3-0 while the other 3-2.
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Lepastur
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The Red Taskmaster
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posted December 01, 2009 01:01 PM |
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What are the Chaos players and when will be published the pairs? 
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