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destro23
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posted September 23, 2009 01:18 AM |
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You guys are being ridiculous...
If Player A is in town with army, and player B sees him.. then player A mysteriously moves out of his own town away but not to far.. and player B proceeds to capture the now.. vacant town, and camp it?! wow.. just wow.. That is far and away the most disrespectful, and truly pathetic.. I might add, thing to do in maybe all of heroes..
I don't nessecarily support what I call "gentlemens rules" but I certainly enjoy games played that way, and also enjoy games when opponent wants no rules.. its great for me also.
But honestly... that is disgusting in my opinion, to capitalize on a clear act of charity to not in fact sit himself in the town, then turn around and claim it as conquered... haha its very funny really..
Well earned win ! errr wait.. what a load of bs
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
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The last hero standing
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posted September 23, 2009 01:48 PM |
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You guys are being ridiculous...
If Player A is in town with army, and player B sees him.. then player A mysteriously moves out of his own town away but not to far.. and player B proceeds to capture the now.. vacant town, and camp it?! wow.. just wow.. That is far and away the most disrespectful, and truly pathetic.. I might add, thing to do in maybe all of heroes..
I don't nessecarily support what I call "gentlemens rules" but I certainly enjoy games played that way, and also enjoy games when opponent wants no rules.. its great for me also.
But honestly... that is disgusting in my opinion, to capitalize on a clear act of charity to not in fact sit himself in the town, then turn around and claim it as conquered... haha its very funny really..
Well earned win ! errr wait.. what a load of bs
...mmmh... i totally disagree. One of the biggest things good players should look for is to defend at least his own main town. If someone fails to do so, it is definately NOT the opponents fault. He was able to get opponents town? Congrats! He can defend the town, so that opponent will have one week less troups!? Congrats!
Townsitting is totally ok. You have an advantage that will be balanced by opponents townsitting? Your fault. Your strategy wasnt good enough. If you fear townsitting prepare your strategy in a way he cant townsit.
I once had a game with Andiangelslayer. He was Stronghold, me tower. He forced me to go outside the town, cause "townsitting is dishonorable". A sure win for him, cause tower is more expensive, so i would have needed two more days for titans. The result was a nonsense fight. So if his strategy was to rush me, because Stronghold is cheaper, the his strategy shouldve included to catch me outside, or to break the chain to not come back to hometown. As simple as this.
People tend to outrule everything that does not suit to their loved wining strategy, instead of preparing themselves better. Im not talking about the obvious lacks of the games like hit-and-run, first-day-rush, im talking about things that are implemented in the game like a siege fight.
So there is nothing dishonorable in townsitting.
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted September 23, 2009 01:53 PM |
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Anyways.. would like to hear some feeback on this.. I am sure there will be some players that support this cheesy tactic.. but I tend to think that the Majority of players will vote that they wouldnt use such sillyness.. Lets try and keep this topic and thread flame free.. no direct attacks , just stick to the general topic.
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Sure I would townsit if it was my only way to win.
Noway.. townsitting is silly, and I dont do it.
...lol..what an oximoron. "lets try and keep this topic ..flame free" and "Sure i would townsit if it was my only way to win".
It is obvious what Jinxer wants to say. The Responses arent held neutral in anyway. So this poll is nonsens and tendious.
Keep at least the choice neutral you whiner.  jk
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted September 23, 2009 04:00 PM |
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted September 23, 2009 10:21 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 23:07, 23 Sep 2009.
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@ Destro -- Perfectly said....
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If you fear townsitting prepare your strategy in a way he cant townsit.
Thats the problem.. townsitting never was a thought.. in over 200++ of my games noone resorted to this tactic. Why would I expect and try to prevent it now?
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I would have needed two more days for titans.
Obviously you didnt read ALL the posts in detail... cause your reference is that townsitting for couple days to get your titans was acceptable.. and I AGREE with you that a couple days townsitting to finish getting ready if a rusher comes over is definately OK. But since that is NOT what this discussion was about.. your statements are not relavent.
Now if you still think it would have been ok for you to hide in town for another 3 weeks OR rest of game.. essentially making him fight you in town or wait till you had 50 Titans... then that is what we are talking about.. and your opinion is relavent and noted.
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Im not talking about the obvious lacks of the games like hit-and-run, first-day-rush, im talking about things that are implemented in the game like a siege fight. So there is nothing dishonorable in townsitting.
Ha Ha Ha.. So Am I understanding this correctly.. you are suggestion that Tactics like Hit and Run and First day Rush.. are OBVIOUS dishonorable things and NOT implemented parts of the game.. But TownSitting IS ?? That is the silliest thing I have ever heard.. Those Types of tactics are all in the same catagory.. You cannot just say some are parts of game and some are not..
Hit and Run and Townsitting are essentially the same concept.
The Goal of Both tactics are to Ultimately Gain an Unbalanced advantage agasint your opponent, by tying your opponents hands and restricting him from being able to fightback while you reduce the size and strength of there army.
So you have conflicting statements... Ultimately it boils down to the same argument as with the AGE old hit and run debate.. Some people like it.. Some people hate it. So as I have found out that the same thing applies with this townsitting situation.. even tho it took me OVER 200+ games to actually find a "Townsitter" it proves that there are a few out there.. and no matter how RARE.. I need to either ask at start of game or just assume I need to defend agasint this every game. So Live and learn.. I need to better prepare at START of games with adding rules or asking my opponent what catagory of player he is.
Once again.. this thread and discussion has already been concluded once before.. nothing more really to say.
To EACH there OWN! Peace and Love and all that good stuff
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maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted September 24, 2009 01:38 AM |
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Edited by maretti at 20:00, 30 Sep 2009.
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There are 2 resons that townsitting is unacceptable in online games:
1. Its impossible to beat the townsitter in town, which means the game will end in a draw even though one player is stronger than the other.
2. It will take severel hours to gather enough to defeat the townsitter who can never win. In other words time is wasted.
This means that if you sit in the opponents town, that is fully acceptable, (unless ofcourse its obvious that he left the town open in order to fight outside it.) Cause in this case the townsitter will end up winning the game in open field.
If players swap towns the situation is like if they started with the towns they now have.
Imo its ok to stay in town for (allmost) any periode of time, as long as you come out at some point.
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted September 24, 2009 07:41 AM |
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Just to give more things to argue about:
1. Thread is not sophisticated enough, because its always a huge advantage to participate in a siege with a magic faction against a might faction. For the magic faction it does not matter in which side of the wall its army is.
In other words, town sitting is not a problem if the attacker is a magic faction against a might faction.
2. First day rush or red rush. I dont see any dishonorable on this issue. I think in every turn based strategical game first player has advantage. Also, sim turn break usually gives extra turn for second player, which at least balances this out.
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Memonster
Adventuring Hero
once seen cannot be unseed
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posted September 27, 2009 12:30 PM |
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since the topic isint going in a constructive direction, I would want to ask two questions that hopefully will allow the conversation to move forward.
How can townsitting be prevented?
what tactics are available against it?
i dont care if it is honorable to townsit or not. I think its better to forget about that becouse such debate will never move forward and form a conclusion that everyone can agree on. like many people have mentioned this isin't something black and white rather in shades of grey.I look forward to the your resplys 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 27, 2009 12:44 PM |
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Easy, tell him that you never play townsitters twice  Also that you'd let everyone know.
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted September 30, 2009 02:29 PM |
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Destro was ironical.
And Welcome back, Xarfax!
@Salamandre: Im certainly not back. Before i post in the library i would cut my hands of. There are no nice players left with class, except maretti, and i wonder why he is still posting there, with this selfish oberlehrer Mod picking on him.
I was answering to this post cause HERE are some nice old veterans with an idea about what they are talking and they KNOW how to discuss things.
It was more like to say: Hi!
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I cant see how someone could win a game by townsitting his own town for days Jinxer. Its maybe a waste of time, but surely not unhonorable, which is almost similar like cheating in my eyes.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted September 30, 2009 02:54 PM |
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I certainly understand, while prohibiting Celestial Heavens in my browser for same reasons. However I like how those forums are moderated till now. And Vesuvius is from far the best moderator, when he puts in every whine thread a video about his Bugatti. Smart way to put in the difference between life and Net.
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destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted September 30, 2009 08:04 PM |
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I think maybe the nature of my post was missed.
I was merely saying that if I am sitting in my castle defending it, see you come and move out of the way so we can have a decent open terrain battle (as I believe in my castle it will be a slaughter) and the opponent then takes my castle and proceeds to sit in it. I would find that quite dishonorable.
I am not suggesting that taking someones castle is a dishonorable move. Just that taking advantage of a situation as described above is in fact quite dishonorable.
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Natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted September 30, 2009 08:40 PM |
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Destro I agree with you but here is my point:
1. When you want to have a nice battle outside just stand on the tile in front of the castle so that opponent can`t take it.
2. If Jinxer moved away he wanted to grab something - flag or chaining army to main hero. So he received a punishment.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted September 30, 2009 09:34 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 21:41, 30 Sep 2009.
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OK.. this thread has run its course.. No need to keep reviving it.
The Situation pretty much went down as Destros senario pointed out. I lost ONLY cause I assumed. So the morale of the story is NEVER Assume! And ALWAYS do your homework and know the character of your opponent.
I learned a valuable leasson..
For example.. NO DV... has become so standard I quit mentioning it as a rule at start of game.. yet never has it been used agaisnt me. But this situation and this thread has opened my eyes to assuming. So from now on I must spell everything out. Cross all my T's and dot all my I's
Live and Learn.. Lets Move on....
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted October 01, 2009 01:02 PM |
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I certainly understand, while prohibiting Celestial Heavens in my browser for same reasons. However I like how those forums are moderated till now. And Vesuvius is from far the best moderator, when he puts in every whine thread a video about his Bugatti. Smart way to put in the difference between life and Net.
I wasnt talking about Vesuvius, i was talking about the selfish oberlehrer Mod in the Library. Not posting in the library any more doesnt mean to not post here. Im not sharing the knowledge of the game anymore, so in the end deleting my QPs was the correct thing and to go back after a while was wrong. Now other players share my knowledge there saying they made it up on their own and certainly getting QPs for it..what a laugh. That tells everything about the Mod.
Im already writing too much lines about it, which would let peeps assume that i care. Stop playing Heroes addictive years ago, plus putting all this energy into my business made me more then wealthy within few years. After stopping posting here, plus beeing less online i have 2 girlfriends now ..and guess what is more interesting?
Means i shouldve stopped all this years ago, and i would be grateful to angelina if she wouldnt be such a german oberlehrer butthead.
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted October 01, 2009 01:22 PM |
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Apparently you haven't quite moved on.
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted October 01, 2009 07:21 PM |
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I know who about you were talking. I just gave Vesuvius example because it puts things in their real place. Getting mad about somebody not liking you in a net forum is...
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Elit
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posted October 01, 2009 09:47 PM |
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I know who about you were talking. I just gave Vesuvius example because it puts things in their real place. Getting mad about somebody not liking you in a net forum is...
Be happy from people love you in forum net is sux too !  But some time its end with love and marry in real life! I know personal 2 girls marred like it.
From other side why we talk/share there if cant get emotions from it?
We are not AI...its normal to have emotions....noting bad.
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I'm wait you Jinxer to end save...don't want to get same question for report you won because I'm inactive.
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ohforfsake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
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posted October 01, 2009 10:12 PM |
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I'm actually townsitting right now.  Oh wait I think that's another type of townsitting actually. 
I saw this topic being hot a couple of years ago, I'm surprised it still is.
Townsitting is in my honest opinion okay.
If you go an "early" win, which seems to be what most people here goes for, then townsitting is not a way to prevent that, only extend the time of the game (which is wasted anyway). You're of course free to leave the game at any time, it's just for fun, if you aren't having fun, no reason to continue.
However with proper chaining and taking control of the opponents mines, you'll quickly outgrow him in numbers, and with early rush he won't have the ressources to upgrade the needed buildings for the end battle even if there's only 1 town each on the map. Not to mention the lack of spells from the mage guild. Nor is it profitable to trade gold for ressources as he'd then not be able to either afford all his creatures pr. week, or he'd take to long in doing so. Finally this is asuming the only way, which is very seldom, to gain creatures is through town.
Though if we're talking about a later game stage, then the town doesn't give you enough of an advantage, unless you've some extremely powerful artifacts, but if that's the case, then it's unlikely you need to be townsitting in the first place.
I remember I've many times in random maps tried to rush the computer, with a superior army of a couple of Devils or Vampire Lords, something the computer wouldn't stand a chance against, but it simply sits in town, and then I can't attack, so what do I do? I collect the ressources around, chain, build up and beat, that's if it's the last computer, if not I now know where the main town is without expert view air, places routes for my scouts, so he'll often have to defend the town, and otherwise collect a greater army.
Though my style in general isn't about rushing, it's about having fun with my friends, so I try to stay undetected, building up what I like, clearing out topias and other buildings, and otherwise I perform scout war (so they at least don't see me as a threat, because they think I come with what I have to offer) untill about the end game part, where I've weakened them enough and I quickly strikes with my main, ending the map in a sequence of everyone thinks everything is fine, and a week after I've won.
Not that I win everytime like that, it's far from optimal, but that's what I find fun, and that way we all win once in a while, and I think it's much more fun than playing against the computer, where you practically know you've won unless you're very unlucky and get viped out in a weak moment, and then for that weak moment to happen, you really have to allow it against the computer.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 01, 2009 10:17 PM |
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I'm wait you Jinxer to end save...don't want to get same question for report you won because I'm inactive.
Give me a Break Elit.. I waited for you for 2-3 weeks while you kept telling me.. catch me next week.. then catch me next week.. and I am offline for 2 days.. and you start posting complaining that you cant find me?? That is to Funny. I will be back available to play monday.. So we finish then.. I be online at 8:30am GMT -5 see you then. Thats assuming you are gonna quit running and hiding from me on AOW
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