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posted December 01, 2009 10:14 PM |
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Lol look at her evil frown
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posted December 01, 2009 10:15 PM |
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can you really blame us Germans for banning TANKS squashing people in a video game?
Not blame you as much as pity you, I suppose
yeah 
my previous post (to JJ) was meant to say that it's strictly the gore, and not the concept, that was banned if true (since previous C&C games had the same concept but very poorly graphical).
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posted December 01, 2009 10:15 PM |
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Oh, they are fond of direct democracy...
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There's only 4% Muslims, most of them immigrants from the Balkans. Most of non-Muslim immigrants are from the EU anyway.
I don't understand what you're getting at.
I edited my previous post. The point is it wasn't that bad compared to France, for example.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:19 PM |
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Right. North African Muslims tend to be more problematic than the Balkan breed.
So were you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I'm still slightly confused.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:21 PM |
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I don't think that's what he was aiming at but what do I know.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:23 PM |
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Ok, let's take it from a different point of view:
In France, if I go outside for a walk after 22 H I will 99% get squashed by a mob of young muslims. They did not force me to go outside, right?
If my son is going to public school, all the muslim girls around him will have no identity, no face because burka on. Did they force me to send my son to school? No.
If I go to swimming pool, a full muslim mob is inside bathing clothed. They did not forced me to go to the swimming pool, right?
If I go outside with a nice girl wearing short skirt, she will get mocked by all muslims around, as wearing short cloth is sign of prostitution for them. They did not force her to put a short skirt, right?
Etc, etc. They do not force anyone to take their way, but it happens that their way of life is strongly contradicting with our way of life. And, the most important, they have no respect for our behavior, considering it impure. For more explanations, read Elodin's posts, the perfect muslim behavior. (Everything is love, sharing and friendship, until you argue with me, from then prepare to fight)
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posted December 01, 2009 10:24 PM |
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Right. North African Muslims tend to be more problematic than the Balkan breed.
Yeah, the Balkan Muslims are less zealous religion wise.Quote:
So were you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I'm still slightly confused.
Agreeing with every word; I just threw in some numbers and expressed my surprise.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:26 PM |
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I don't think that's what he was aiming at but what do I know.
You're fired.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:28 PM |
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Ok, let's take it from a different point of view:
In France, if I go outside for a walk after 22 H I will 99% get squashed by a mob of young muslims. They did not force me to go outside, right?
If my son is going to public school, all the muslim girls around him will have no identity, no face because burka on. Did they force me to send my son to school? No.
If I go to swimming pool, a full muslim mob is inside bathing clothed. They did not forced me to go to the swimming pool, right?
If I go outside with a nice girl wearing short skirt, she will get mocked by all muslims around, as wearing short cloth is sign of prostitution for them. They did not force her to put a short skirt, right?
Etc, etc. They do not force anyone to take their way, but it happens that their way of life is strongly contradicting with our way of life. And, the most important, they have no respect for our behavior, considering it impure. For more explanations, read Elodin's posts, the perfect muslim behavior. (Everything is love, sharing and friendship, until you argue with me, from then prepare to fight)
Immigration is a sensitive topic and an issue easy to get out of hand, like in France.
There was a topic about the US started by VF and things went ugly and fast, although nobody intended to.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:31 PM |
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@JJ: But that was the tradition in the C&C series (tanks squash soldiers), just more graphically advanced in that game (hey it evolves).
Well, it was a tradition in the W&W series as well, especially in W&W II, but that one had a couple of marketing problems, so Germans are a bit cautious there.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:32 PM |
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I don't care about someone being black, yellow, green, muslim, christian or monkey, as long as he does not everyday call it back to me that he is different and proud to be.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:34 PM |
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@TheDeath
Ok, let's take it from a different point of view:
In France, if I go outside for a walk after 22 H I will 99% get squashed by a mob of young muslims. They did not force me to go outside, right?
If my son is going to public school, all the muslim girls around him will have no identity, no face because burka on. Did they force me to send my son to school? No.
If I go to swimming pool, a full muslim mob is inside bathing clothed. They did not forced me to go to the swimming pool, right?
If I go outside with a nice girl wearing short skirt, she will get mocked by all muslims around, as wearing short cloth is sign of prostitution for them. They did not force her to put a short skirt, right?
Etc, etc. They do not force anyone to take their way, but it happens that their way of life is strongly contradicting with our way of life. And, the most important, they have no respect for our behavior, considering it impure. For more explanations, read Elodin's posts, the perfect muslim behavior. (Everything is love, sharing and friendship, until you argue with me, from then prepare to fight)
Getting assaulted by a gang causes you direct harm, it should be prosecuted accordingly.
A girl wearing clothing that you're not used to isn't causing you direct harm. Wearing a body suit in a pool isn't causing you direct harm. It's unrealistic to expect immigrants to morph into Frenchmen on a whim. Cultures change all the time. Even with zero Muslim immigrants, France will be significantly different 100 years from now than it is today.
I'm 99% positive putting bans in place will increase tension, but then again, that seems to be the unfortunate way of life: an endless cycle of retaliations.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:35 PM |
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@Salamandre: I don't say there's no muslim problem at all. Which is why I asked for more on your list, because from it, few are worthy of being banned. Here is an example:Quote:
In France, if I go outside for a walk after 22 H I will 99% get squashed by a mob of young muslims. They did not force me to go outside, right?
Then condemn them, not others who haven't squashed you.Quote:
If my son is going to public school, all the muslim girls around him will have no identity, no face because burka on. Did they force me to send my son to school? No.
How is your son entitled to what the other girls are wearing? He is entitled to what he is wearing.Quote:
If I go to swimming pool, a full muslim mob is inside bathing clothed. They did not forced me to go to the swimming pool, right?
If that is forbidden, then he shouldn't have been there in the first place. Otherwise, his personal decision.Quote:
If I go outside with a nice girl wearing short skirt, she will get mocked by all muslims around, as wearing short cloth is sign of prostitution for them. They did not force her to put a short skirt, right?
how is that different from normal mockery? What do you do when "normal" people mock others? Apply same logic here.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:36 PM |
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If for you constantly changing your way of life is not causing harm, then come to visit us, you will be right served.
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@TheDeath, there is no logic here, let me explain:
ATM wearing Burka in public institutions is prohibited in France. Last year I received some muslim student girl for passing her final exam and become singer. She presented herself with a burka and I refused to listen to her. The day after I was in court, accused by racial discrimination and had to pay a good lawyer to get out from there.
Has anyone pointed out that she was outside the law? No. All the people remembered was that I did not let her sing because exterior religion signs. Is this example enough for you to see the problem?
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ATM wearing Burka in public institutions is prohibited in France.
And that is the problem.
EDIT: I can't believe you actually refused her though. 
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posted December 01, 2009 10:45 PM |
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That's an example of someone not doing his duty (obeying the law) and of the state no enforcing this duty properly. You shouldn't mix duties with rights however. Muslims have the right to pray how they want, wear whatever clothes they want (in most places) etc. They also have the duties to follow the law of the country they live in. The fact that their duties should be better enforced does not mean that their rights should be neglected.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:45 PM |
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Let's not oversimplify; it's not about fashion - the clothes are just a symbol of a completely different set of values.
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I agree with Geny here... freedom of speech, religion, everything... as long as it doesn't conflict with the laws of the country.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:55 PM |
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I agree with Geny here... freedom of speech, religion, everything... as long as it doesn't conflict with the laws of the country.
But what if the laws of the country conflict with the former?
That's the problem. Burqas don't hurt anybody. They're a type of clothing, and yet they're banned in public places.
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