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Hobbit
Hobbit


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posted January 16, 2013 11:40 AM
Edited by Hobbit at 11:43, 16 Jan 2013.

Well, I didn't play it really. And yes, I didn't notice. Same as you.

On the other hand - why posting ERA version on one thread and patch to this version on other? But whatever - it's time for some update of the first post I guess.
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artu
artu


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posted January 16, 2013 11:42 AM
Edited by artu at 12:04, 16 Jan 2013.

these wiki links will expire in a week, i already put it as a box.com link in Era Mods thread as Grove Town for Era 2.4, another one that should be replaced in main page.

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posted January 16, 2013 12:35 PM

I updated the main page of Grove Site... even if it has to be redone anyway.

ERA version with updated script can be downloaded here. If any problems - please report me.
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Salamandre


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posted January 16, 2013 12:47 PM

Never happy: why didn't I, why didn't we...you are welcome anyway.

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artu
artu


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posted January 16, 2013 12:59 PM


Quote:

ERA version with updated script can be downloaded here. If any problems - please report me.


I downloaded this just to test it and when you enable it in mods Fortress is still Fortress. The one in Era Mods/Maps thread, not the one in the main page, the one called Grove for Era 2.4 works perfectly. Everything is the same, it's only Bersy's fix added so you can use that one if you wish.

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Hobbit
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posted January 16, 2013 01:14 PM
Edited by Hobbit at 13:18, 16 Jan 2013.

Ok, I see what I've done wrong in installator, silly me. Now it can be downloaded here. Thanks for noticing!

About "Grove for ERA 2.4" - I can't find it anywhere, where is it?

EDIT: Ok, I see it. Still it's in the middle of the thread and it actually got lost.
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Macron1
Macron1


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posted March 04, 2013 12:19 PM

Is there any chance, that this town will be released as Mod for VCMI anytime soon?
It will be great, 'cause VMCI already has mods for Cove and Preserve.
The more towns are added, the more complicated and interesting the gaming becomes.
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karen


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posted March 04, 2013 01:08 PM

Quote:
Is there any chance, that this town will be released as Mod for VCMI anytime soon?
It will be great, 'cause VMCI already has mods for Cove and Preserve.
The more towns are added, the more complicated and interesting the gaming becomes.


This town also have druids,so i think it will be a little repeat.

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Macron1
Macron1


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posted March 04, 2013 01:12 PM

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This town also have druids,so i think it will be a little repeat.



That's not a disaster. And these druids are different.
Also they can be renamed (like "Priests" or etc.).
The main profit is to have new town.
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Hobbit
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posted March 04, 2013 02:20 PM

You can delete it in the Edit section by checking one option on the left.

Also I don't think we would release any VCMI version at this moment. Remember that Grove is not only graphics, units and statistics - there are also many new abilities that we can't really implement into VCMI due to lack of ERM language. But if anyone wants to make a Grove mod - you're welcomed.

Quote:
This town also have druids,so i think it will be a little repeat

Actually this town has also pegasi, unicorns, dwarves and treants, so it is a "little" repeat of Rampart.
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karen
karen


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posted March 04, 2013 02:35 PM

Preserve Town was made for fun,I think it's not a real project for VCMI.
But Grove is a well-designed Town.

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Hobbit
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posted March 04, 2013 02:36 PM

Yeah, but still - it won't get more repetative than it actually is.
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Macron1
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posted March 04, 2013 02:43 PM

Quote:
Also I don't think we would release any VCMI version at this moment. Remember that Grove is not only graphics, units and statistics - there are also many new abilities that we can't really implement into VCMI due to lack of ERM language.


This is so sad
New abilities can wait, I think, for later. Sad, that you don't plan to convert this town to VCMI.

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posted March 04, 2013 02:53 PM

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New abilities can wait, I think, for later.

I think they can't. They make this town playable.
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Macron1
Macron1


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posted March 04, 2013 04:36 PM

Quote:
Quote:
New abilities can wait, I think, for later.

I think they can't. They make this town playable.


OK. I personally think, that creating mod for VCMI will reduce time consuming later, when ERM support will be added. And new town is better, that no new town. But it's your choice, after all.

I am new to Heroes 3 modding, I will try to begin ripping some monsters from .LOD and adding only them to VCMI.
If this will be easy enough, at least I will convert monsters.

PS Do monsters from Cove have sounds? Can you support table of their soundfiles for battle to easier search through LODs?
Or there are some utilities to look for sound files dependency?
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Macron1
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posted May 22, 2013 09:46 AM

Do someone have early versions of Grove in his collection?

http://heroes3towns.com/?town=growe&page=arts

It will be fun to have it. Can you share them?

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Macron1
Macron1


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posted May 24, 2013 09:59 PM
Edited by Macron1 at 21:23, 27 May 2013.

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If it still doesn't work for you just click here.

Cool, the link is  still working, now I collected 3 Groves:-)
This BETA is slightly different from

In beta we have different silo, blacksmith, different dwellings on map.
And there is a tree near the bridge.

And there is a spider CWYVMN.def, that we don't see in later release.

PS I'm still looking for Darklok Groves:
these versions
Did they ever were released and downloaded by someone, or Darklok only showed them?
I also want to look at his W3 creatures in live.

UPG I found this video on polish Google:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2f02hPK2q4
So Darklok released Grove with 4.0 screen version and Warcraft units:



Pleeese, share this version of Grove!
It's history!


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Dj
Dj


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Always loyal to HC
posted May 28, 2013 10:20 PM

I'm afraid that those screenshots are the only things left of grove. Everything else is lost.

Darkloke only did some creatures: grove keeper, hyppogryph and moutnain giant (as final versions) and many others but not good enough [as he stated]

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Macron1
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posted June 07, 2013 12:22 PM

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I'm afraid that those screenshots are the only things left of grove. Everything else is lost.

Darkloke only did some creatures: grove keeper, hyppogryph and moutnain giant (as final versions) and many others but not good enough [as he stated]


By the way, on heroes3towns.com (http://heroes3towns.com/?town=growe&page=project) were written:

Translation by Google:
"In the original concept of the city was taken only the very idea of night elves of the universe Warcraft'a, and the entire schedule was made almost entirely from scratch by the participants of the project. As part of this concept was created several kinds of internal part of the creatures and developed storyline based on the concept of the dark elves of the Universe 5th Heroes.
Due to the fact that the team that developed the project for one reason or another virtually ceased to exist and the project was on the verge of collapse, Darkloke took it upon myself to try to personally bring the project to fruition. By joining forces with his colleague Cris'om Werewolf'om, collecting all the material ready, which has already been created for the project and analyzed it, they decided to actually complete recreation of the project, which already has laid down the basis for a new vision of the idea of ​​a Night Elf in the world of Heroes."

So there is a material from 1st team somewhere (with 5 variants of town screens etc). Do someone has this material of 1st Grove conception?

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Dj
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posted June 08, 2013 01:11 AM
Edited by Dj at 01:15, 08 Jun 2013.

yes...those are my words translated in russian and then in english again from russian.

Quote:
In the beginning of the project only Night Elf idea itself was taken from the Warcraft Universe and almost all game content have been done from the scratch. There were created several town views (screens), a few creatures and the storyline, based on the dark elf conception from the HoMM V Universe.

But due to the fact that the team, which developed this (1st) Grove conception, by various reasons de-facto abandoned the project, Darkloke tried to continue project development by himself. By joining forces with his colleague Cris Werewolf, they tried to get any ready Grove content, analyzed it and then made a decision to recreate a project almost from a scratch.
But now the new idea of the project became an idea of adding Night Elf fraction as a whole element of Warcraft game Universe and integrate it into familiar Heroes III game Universe. Authors try to preserve "Warcraft essence" of Night Elves in the same time by modifying them a little bit to adapt into Heroes World. Not the last role is playing the aim to create a storyline, which could (as far as possible) logically interpret the Night Elf appearance in the Heroes World. In addition there was made a decision to use Warcraft III and World of Warcraft game resources to create a town atmosphere, maximally similar to original.

Authors of the 1-st Grove conception:

Skywalkermg 2D artist (internal town view and buildings, map objects and interface elements)
k1ng 2D artist (town units and interface elements)
GrayFace 2D artist
Fnord ERM scripter
Vlaad 1-st Grove campaign; writer
TNT 2-nd Grove campaign; writer

Authors of the 2-nd Grove conception:

Darkloke 2D/3D artist (town units and interface elements); project and PR coordinator
Cris Werewolf 2D/3D artist (town internal view and buildings, map objects); writer



ok so the first team created the creatues, town screens [which had some stages, gradually improving the enviroment], adventure map dwellings etc. After they stopped, Darkloke and Cris took over the project. All creatures were redone [and many more, that could be used in another town, Thicket, a town with corrupted autumn enviroment] but Darkloke found a better way to import the models from world of warcraft into heroes 3 and only these were final:

Quote:
The new Grove line-up (the post will be updated)
LvL 1: Whisp -> Elven Spirit
LvL 2: Archer -> Ranger
LvL 3: Hippogryph -> Hyppogryph Elder
LvL 4: Grove Guard -> Grove Keeper


LvL 5: Crow Druid -> Stormcrow Druid
LvL 6: Watcher -> Warden
LvL 7: Forest Giant -> Mountain Giant


LvL 8: Ancient of War


NOTE: The names of the creatures may be changed!



since the new models were way different from the town's landscape feeling they decided to also make a new town's view. The polish team got the materials either from darkloke and cris, either from the 1st team [don t know for sure and it doesnt matter anymore]. So whatever you see in this mod is actually from the 1st team's project, they only revived it. Whatever darkloke has from the 1st team's work, the polish team has it too.The 1st team is out, darkloke and cris are out too. Darkloke didn't release anything at all.

I personally asked k1ng for the latest screen and he said that it's lost [the same old problem with the 'broken hdd' which i still don't believe].

i hope there aren't any more misunderstandings.

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