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posted March 11, 2013 09:22 PM |
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You would just need to specify if you're using it universally or within a specific area.
Most African dictatorships are leftist, Europe is leftist, China & Russia are leftist, Oceania is leftist. So on an international level, Obama is a rightist. But in a US-context, he's correctly perceived as leftist.
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posted March 11, 2013 09:25 PM |
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LOL
See the different definitions again, are you living in communist era?
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posted March 11, 2013 09:28 PM |
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No, in the communist era Europe would have been rightist overall. Since the globe has since shifted, Europe is overall more leftist. Hardline Soviet and Maoists beliefs have largely dispersed among the general population, including in China.
Rightism and leftism exist based on what ideologies people subscribe to in a particular period. Outside of that they really have no functional meaning.
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posted March 11, 2013 09:36 PM |
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It's true that these terms are contextual and positional, the middle class (the bourgeois to be more specific) was in a leftist position during the French Revolution and in a rightist position during the Russian Revolution. However if we're talking about post-Marx definitions I don't think these terms are accurate anymore and a new political vocabulary should be constructed. Nobody is totally against the free market anymore except some very marginal groups, so in a Marxist sense, nobody is leftist, yet if you use it as a way of describing governments backing up welfare policies, things still get complicated because in modern politics an extremely rightist government in the historical sense can do that too.
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posted March 11, 2013 09:45 PM |
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Most African dictatorships are African dictatorships. The majority of the African countries are not developed enough to have any "left" or "right".
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Russia is currently an oligarchy-owned country attempting to boost its self-confidence with ye olde "third Rome" image of the bastion of Eastern Orthodoxy - hardly leftist. It's a special case though and it has always been - even during the USSR times - so it's not so easy to give it names.
As for Europe - even though compared to the US it is as a whole certainly "leftist", even "socialist", there are major differences from country to country.
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posted March 11, 2013 09:48 PM |
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There's only about three countries of the EU that have leftist/social democratic governments. But as somebody said, the political scale is relative so the european one doesn't match the american one (democrats are right and the Republicans are faaar right on the European scale).
I think the US would have been much better off with parliamentary multi-party elections for its federal government. The current system gets waaaaaay to polarized and alienates to many voters. The lack of more than two realistic candidates also leads to a "I'm voting for the least worse"-situation.
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posted March 11, 2013 10:38 PM |
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LOL
See the different definitions again, are you living in communist era?
A point to this. A lot of former soviet countries went full retarded rightist, without any infrastructure or GDP to support this. Hence areas like Poland.
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posted March 11, 2013 11:05 PM |
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Actually the former Easter bloc countries had pretty adequate - although not exactly outstanding - economic performance up to the mid-late 80s. It is after the collapse of the USSR when the situation becomes ****** up. On one hand CMEA (that's sort of an Eastern economic union during the Soviet times) gets dissolved for no practical reason when it could have helped the transition to market economy quite a lot. On the other, the privatisation in most (not all) countries turns into a wholesale robbery of the state resources and in many cases the top members of the local Communist parties become major capitalists. And then come the Western companies which don't really shy away from buying industries, companies, facilities and whatnot for MUCH less than they actually cost - by offering the right things to the right people in the government. That's the 90s in most of Eastern Europe, much of it is still the same.
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posted March 12, 2013 12:02 AM |
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Everyone -
This thread is not about whether Elodin has working eyesight. All those posts were deleted.
It's also not about whether the US is to the right of Europe. I didn't delete those, but let's try to stay on topic, ok?
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posted March 12, 2013 01:15 AM |
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In my defense I never actually read the title of the thread I was posting in.
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So are all you working Americans ready to have your health insurance costs doubled next year? Time to tighten your belts so your hard earned dollars can flow to those who deserve what you earn more than you do. The Marxist freak in the White house is only just getting started with the wealth transfer. Stand by for more.
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Some Americans could see their insurance bills double next year as the health care overhaul law expands coverage to millions of people.
The nation's big health insurers say they expect premiums — or the cost for insurance coverage — to rise from 20 to 100 percent for millions of people due to changes that will occur when key provisions of the Affordable Care Act roll out in January 2014.
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posted March 14, 2013 12:26 PM |
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Some Americans could see their insurance bills double next year as the health care overhaul law expands coverage to millions of people.
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So are all you working Americans ready to have your health insurance costs doubled next year? Time to tighten your belts so your hard earned dollars can flow to those who deserve what you earn more than you do. The Marxist freak in the White house is only just getting started with the wealth transfer. Stand by for more.
How to make propaganda lesson 1....
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posted March 15, 2013 12:37 AM |
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Most Americans who have insurance are going to see an increase in their premiums as well as higher deductibles for the higher bills the health care providers issue due to their increased costs. Many people will lose their employer based health care coverage altogether.
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Health-insurance premiums have been rising—and consumers will experience another series of price shocks later this year when some see their premiums skyrocket thanks to the Affordable Care Act, aka ObamaCare.
The reason: The congressional Democrats who crafted the legislation ignored virtually every actuarial principle governing rational insurance pricing. Premiums will soon reflect that disregard—indeed, premiums are already reflecting it.
Central to ObamaCare are requirements that health insurers (1) accept everyone who applies (guaranteed issue), (2) cannot charge more based on serious medical conditions (modified community rating), and (3) include numerous coverage mandates that force insurance to pay for many often uncovered medical conditions.
Guaranteed issue incentivizes people to forgo buying a policy until they get sick and need coverage (and then drop the policy after they get well). While ObamaCare imposes a financial penalty—or is it a tax?—to discourage people from gaming the system, it is too low to be a real disincentive. The result will be insurance pools that are smaller and sicker, and therefore more expensive.
How do we know these requirements will have such a negative impact on premiums? Eight states—New Jersey, New York, Maine, New Hampshire, Washington, Kentucky, Vermont and Massachusetts—enacted guaranteed issue and community rating in the mid-1990s and wrecked their individual (i.e., non-group) health-insurance markets. Premiums increased so much that Kentucky largely repealed its law in 2000 and some of the other states eventually modified their community-rating provisions.
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Although President Obama repeatedly claimed that health-insurance premiums for a family would be $2,500 lower by the end of his first term, they are actually about $3,000 higher—a spread of about $5,500 per family.
Health insurers have been understandably reluctant to discuss the coming price hikes that are driven by the Affordable Care Act. Mark Bertolini, CEO of Aetna, the country's third-largest health insurer, broke the silence on Dec. 12. "We're going to see some markets go up by as much as 100%," he told the company's annual investor conference in New York City.
Insurers know that the Obama administration will denounce the premium increases as the result of greedy health insurers, greedy doctors, greedy somebody. The Department of Health and Human Services will likely begin to threaten, arm-twist or investigate health insurers in an effort to force them into keeping their premiums more in line with Democratic promises—just as HHS bureaucrats have already started doing when insurers want premium increases larger than 10%.
And that may work for a while. It certainly has in Massachusetts, where politicians, including then-Gov. Mitt Romney, made all the same cost-lowering promises about the state's 2006 prequel to ObamaCare that have yet to come true.
But unlike the federal government, health insurers can't run perpetual deficits. Something will have to give, which will likely open the door to making health insurance a public utility completely regulated by the government, or the left's real goal: a single-payer system.
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The liberal Messiah Obama is furious today. A judge ruled that the government can't compel a business owner (the owner of Dominoes Pizza brought the suit) to act against his religious beliefs in carrying out the dictates of Uhbumuhcare.
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"It is in the best interest of the public that Monaghan not be compelled to act in conflict with his religious beliefs," Zatkoff wrote.
Monaghan is a Roman Catholic and said in his suit that he considers contraception a "gravely immoral" practice. He offers employees health insurance that excludes coverage for contraception and abortion.
The new federal law requires employers to offer insurance that includes contraception coverage or risk fines. According to Zatkoff's order, Domino's Farms faced $200,000 in yearly payments under the law. Employers have until Aug. 1 to comply with the law.
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Erin Mersino, a lawyer for the Thomas More Law Center, a conservative Christian legal defense group that represented Monaghan, noted that the law requires employers to offer health coverage that includes access to the morning-after pill and similar emergency contraception pills.
The morning-after pill works by preventing ovulation or fertilization. Critics of emergency contraception say it is the equivalent of an abortion pill because it can prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. In medical terms, pregnancy begins when a fertilized egg attaches itself to the wall of the uterus.
"The HHS mandate forces our clients to provide abortion-causing drugs to their employees when doing so is a direct violation of the teachings of the Catholic Church and our clients' sincerely held religious beliefs," Mersino said.
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posted March 15, 2013 10:39 PM |
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wow, what thrilling repartie. look at me, I'm bowled over with the sheer wittiness of it. my wittiness gland can't take any more barbed punishment. how edgy and satirical.
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posted March 16, 2013 10:33 PM |
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If health is not a function of government, what is exactly?
Stuff like maintaining roads, police force, etc. is probably something we all can agree on, but we see people form different opinion here based on the type of government they live under.
Does this mean that if we find people from a society which works fine without a police force, these people would complain just as much, if they now had to pay taxes for police?
I wonder if the same kinds of troubles originated back when roads were to first be constructed. It's somehow the chicken and the egg, isn't it? You can't have a demand for vehicles without roads, but you can't have a demand for roads without vehicles... then again some vehicles performs well even without roads. Still, there probably then were the people who was wondering why these types of vehicles weren't sufficient then.
Every and any function of government can be maintained in good as well as in bad ways. People from Europe may identify healthcare with something positive because it's being maintained in a positive way. In that case, if say, you're from a country without healthcare and were to live in a country where there already were established some form of healthcare such as in a social secure european country such as, say, Norway. Would you then still insist that this system were to be changed?
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posted March 16, 2013 11:34 PM |
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I ponder why state gave 18 ages are voting right? Small brainers
So Marx don't meant nothing  You can check in the 1930, 1960 and 1984.  sort year so 1980 but what? Hippocratic Oath 
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It seems Obamacare will make heath care more expensive and less obtainable in a number of ways. Many doctors will be retiring early it seems. The majority of doctors think Obama has put the health care profession in jeopardy. Not to worry though, Obama's bureaucrats will decide your medical care for you. The old and chronically sick will be told to go away and die so that should free up some doctors to help make up for any shortage.
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American doctors are increasingly concerned about changes already implemented or coming to the health-care system, and some are opting to retire sooner than planned.
Deloitte’s 2013 survey of U.S. physicians found 57% doctors view changes in the industry under the Affordable Care Act as a threat, and six in 10 physicians report it’s likely that many will retire earlier than planned in the next two to three years. This trend could cause more widespread issues in the health-care system that is already coping with doctor and nurse shortages in some areas of the country.
The survey found these numbers to be fairly uniform among all doctors regardless of age, gender or medical specialty.
Fifty-seven percent also say the practice of medicine is in jeopardy, because the “best and brightest” may not consider a career in medicine under new requirements of the reform.
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posted March 28, 2013 07:24 AM |
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Just an unveiled attempt in extortion and cynism.
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posted March 28, 2013 07:37 AM |
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That's the real problem with US, while sometimes it has good sides: everything is considered as a career and the best sources of revenues are always the priority. You may hate communism, but doctors under it healed people without shinny returns and threats of extortions. It is all about Hippocrates legacy, not Fort Knox storage.
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