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flackmandan
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posted September 01, 2010 03:53 PM |
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well does and one here happen to like music by anychance because other side of the monitor is sadly lacking it and i probably shouldnt as this(because most are into old fashion music that isnt up to the quality of todays music'in my opinion and ' but what songs intrest you people
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posted September 01, 2010 04:11 PM |
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because most are into old fashion music that isnt up to the quality of todays music'in my opinion
Great start.
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posted September 01, 2010 04:14 PM |
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lol i no im just sick of ppl criticising music now
its all ppl seem to do it works both ways
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posted September 01, 2010 04:20 PM |
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because most are into old fashion music that isnt up to the quality of todays music'in my opinion
Great start.
He's right. Some years ago all you needed was a singer, a guitar and a beer. Now every musican is followed by an army of sound engineers.
It has many different apects - for example, so-called 'artist' becomes just a product of marketing, so are the 'hits'. The music doesn't have to be musical anymore, it's just about loudness and some catchy groove which you can't really tell apart.
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flackmandan
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posted September 01, 2010 04:26 PM |
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ahh but music isnt about the singer its about the song^^ ppl theres no point in having a good singer when he doesnt have a good song
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posted September 01, 2010 05:37 PM |
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yes, I think its extremly annoying that there are those that think all music that was made after 1970 sucks.
But I guess that when you are around 15, then thats when you really start to like X type of music so I would not be surprised if I think everything that will be made in 2040 will suck.
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JollyJoker
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posted September 01, 2010 05:38 PM |
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Just for clarification:
The link in your first post - do you call that music? Is that the "quality" you mention?
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1910
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posted September 01, 2010 05:43 PM |
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Xerox, I know that you are meaning me in your post. Let me clarify. I don't think that music after 1970 Sucks, but I do think it's gone downhill. I like the 80's but a lot of it was the same melody and chords all over again albeit with different lyrics. The 90's, the Decade I was born in, was just rubbish COMPARED to other decades and what they offered. Sure, to each their own, but i just think it's not as good as the 80's, 70's and 60's. That's just my opinion.
Sure, some of you may be sick of me saying that but that's just what I think. Just how I think the link in your first post is what I'd consider modern rubbish. That's just me though and I'm not stating it as a fact.
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posted September 01, 2010 05:49 PM |
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Strangely enough *I* think that the 80s just sucked. More specifically, the sound of the 80s sucked.
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posted September 01, 2010 05:54 PM |
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1910
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posted September 01, 2010 06:14 PM |
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JJ, a lot of people do. I even admit that with the pop stuff, a lot of it did sound the same. Same generic bass sound and all. I don't dislike the 80's, just think that it was the start of what was to come in the 90's. I love the 80's mainly for the 80's Electronic music. I like a lot of rock and some Pop stuff but yeah, the sound can get on my nerves at times.
Since you don't like the 80's much, do you like the 70's or even 90's or what?
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posted September 01, 2010 06:57 PM |
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You know, lady gaga can actually play the piano and sing really well. She just doesn't, because there's no money in that. (evidence at about four and a half minutes)
Kind of twisted, ain't it? It's all about the spectacle nowadays. Content is ignored. By the way, I'm a big fan of morphine: this alternative jazzy-ish band from the 90's.
Also, I tend to overlook genres and "times" (though, I'm not denying certain decades sound pretty stupid, especially the '80's which is probably the most stupid decade of the past century in terms of culture) and look more at artists.
Another side note: I know nothing of the pop music nowadays.
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posted September 01, 2010 07:09 PM |
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Well, I don't like the SOUND of the 80s. Apart from that every decade has its highlights - even every style has them, the ups and downs.
I can name immediately three of my all-time favorite albums that were published in the 80's:
Scary Monsters by David Bowie, although this might arguably considered as a last salute of the 70s, since it was published in 1980,
You're Living all over me by Dinosaur Jr, published in 87 and
Surfer Rosa, by the Pixies, published in 88, although these might arguably be considered as tolling the death bell for the 80s.
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posted September 01, 2010 08:42 PM |
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posted September 01, 2010 09:06 PM |
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You know, lady gaga can actually play the piano and sing really well. She just doesn't, because there's no money in that. (evidence at about four and a half minutes)
I dunno if this counts as evidence of any manner of proficiency in music, but here it is Lady Gaga performing in the Netherlands.
When it comes to my taste in music, I could list off some genres or artists that I'm into, but in the end it's mostly about the song's individual merits.
I kind of like music from videogame soundtracks, though they are for the most part just elevator music for the game situations.
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posted September 02, 2010 09:21 AM |
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Something more about the 80s.
1981 was a really important year for music: MTV went on air. You might say, the "sound of the 80" was developed with a view on music VIDEOS. Cool optics, "cool" sound. The 80s wanted to be "cool". Case in point: Miami Vice, TV series starting out in 1984.
David Bowie, Dire Straits and Police are examples for main stream music that are somewhat characteristical for the development. All three were very creative in the 70s (Bowie a lot longer, of course), all three somewhat peaked end of the 70s or in 1980 artistically, and all three somewhat faltered in the 80s, getting just plain trivial. There is a direct connection with MTV and music videos - the commercial aspect of pop music, the combination of sound and vision.
The 80s are commercializing of rock music. Another example:
Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA, 1984. 15 million copies sold, every single a success - of course WITH video. The 80s are when music became a business more than everything else.
By extension the 90s (in reality starting end of the 80s) are the attempt to go back, but de facto this was just an illusion, of course. Ironically, MTV would commercialize Nirvana the same way than everything else and help building them up as the anti-commercial heroes.
So the 80s are a decade of change, that is marked by artistical failure, if you only look at the music, as a result of concentrating on other aspects of pop culture, that is, the merging of sound and vision.
I mean, even Iggy Pop produced just crap in the 80s. Party and Blah-Blah-Blah are, well, crap, basically, and the output as such was somewhat (and thankfully) limited.
The 80s are the decade that brought a mildly talented band with a somewhat charismatic front man superstardom: U2 who - for me - peaked with their 3rd album War in 1983 - a very original sound with good songs and certainly one of the better albums of "the 80s", but got superstars with The Joshua Tree in 1987, which, in my opinion was the perfection of mediocricity by dumbing the somewhat characteristic U2 sound down into a mainstream pop sound with better than average lyrics. Pop music pomp.
Or take Queen. Great albums in the 70s. Sheer Heart Attack in 1974. Great sound, fantastic album. A Night at the Opera in 1975: an artistic highlight - of course unrepeatable, that's why A Day at the Races in 1976 sucked, but Queen more than recovered with News of the World in 1977, another great album. Jazz in 1978 was lame, but The Game in 1980 saw Wueen on form yet again.
However, however, however. Then what?
Flash Gordon? Dear me.
Does someone remember the album Hot Space from 1982? It features the awful Under Pressure with Bowie...
The Works from 1984? Radio Ga-Ga? I want to break free? Please.
A Kind of Magic in 1986? That's Highlander, right? Who wants to live forever. Very pompous, very 80s.
Anyway. Just my opinion. It's not so much the single event, it's the concentration of stuff like this. Prince. Michal Jackson superstar, Thriller in 82 and Bad in 87 (TWO albums only in the 80s!).
Still, on the plus side are the Red Hot Chili Peppers - even though their first two albums from 1984 and 1985 aren't THAT HOT, and The Uplift Mofo Party Plan came in 1987 and Mother's Milk in 89, so even the Peppers got good only when the 80s were actually finished. 
So. 80s are transition decade. Music had to assimilate TV - or vice versa, who wants to say - and it took some time to overcome that, to start concentrating on the music yet again, and not on the flashy pics.
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posted September 02, 2010 09:38 AM |
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While I don't agree on anything you said, I respect your opinion on the 80's. to each their own. I've already stated what I think of the 80's so there's no need for me to get into any detail about it again.
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posted September 02, 2010 10:17 AM |
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I'm just adding some context.
The 80s were the decade as well, when Rockstars went from wealthy to rich, when they became part ofwwhat was called "the jet-set".
Mick Jagger made two solo albums in 1985 and 1987 that are pop.
Madonna started her career in 1983as well.
Which brings me to Live Aid in 1985 - Mick Jagger played, but not the Rolling Stones. And look at the list of performers (among others):
The Style Council
The Boomtown Rats
Adam Ant
Ultravox (with Midge Ure)
Spandau Ballet
Nik Kershaw
Sade
REO Speedwagon
Howard Jones
Bryan Ferry (who f course would go solo in the 80s)
Paul Young
Power Station
Duran Duran
Hall & Oates
Kenny Loggins
The Cars
Thompson Twins
That's a pretty interesting list of artists that are "80s".
Now, don't get me wrong - I have the odd record there. I have a Boomtown Rats album. I have a Paul Young Maxi Single (another 80s invention); I presented my wife a Best of Duran Duran CD which even I find enjoyable when the time is right.
I've got a lot of albums by Simple Minds, but even in the 90s I wouldn't know what made me buy them. I liked Power Station, short-lived as it was (while I thought Robert Palmer too easy to listen). Ultravox, yes, but the pre-Midge-Ure era. Bryan Ferry... I admit having one album, but, heck, Roxy Music in the 70s were the real deal and Ferry alone just doesn't cut it.
The Cars? Drive is a great song, but I could never bring it over me to like them. REO Speedwagon? Oh, and Sade.
Yes. I loved her. Cool, just cool. Re-defined easy listening. It was played a lot on parties - and incidentally it was the time when parties became cocktail and sparkling wine affairs, and suddenly the food went up from simple stuff to a bit more exotic. And suddenly, yes, coke (the white stuff, not the brown) was so much better than letting the odd joint cicle.
Strangely enough I still like Sade - once in a while, that is. Even without the parties...
ADDENDUM:
For a change, here's what I consider as typical 80s stuff, fairly mainstream, but not overly so, and GOOD.
Night Time by Killing Joke, released in 1985
The last track of the album is called "Eighties", ironically, and the text is somewhat vague, but still a fairly critical iew on things. If you don't know the song and will listen to it, you may find it somewhat familiar sounding...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjyKRRJQEpU
No, no, NOT Nirvana - we are in the EIGHTIES, right? So try this from the 1982 album Strawberries by the Damned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4J2aU6glt0
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posted September 02, 2010 11:39 AM |
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Well, I always thought that MTV sucked and to this day I just don't get it. I really can't figure out what the deal is with music videos. Music is for LISTENING, not watching. I agree that commercially MTV probably helped a lot of bands tremendously. But on the other hand, it seems like most of those videos existed only because they were "supposed" to exist, and it showed. It showed in the very poor quality and lack of creativity - most were nothing more than just going through the motions while some drugged out kids could veg out staring at it for hours. I see MTV as something that existed because people watched it out of sheer boredom and a lack of doing anything worthwhile with their lives. It used to drive me totally nuts when I would visit someone who had MTV on and would just sit there watching it.
I don't know the numbers, but my guess is that when MTV came out only a minority of people even had cable TV.
As far as timelines...well, I'm not sure I have time to go into details. The 60s were highly innovative both for the music itself and for the gear. There was lots of experimentation with the music, the instruments, the electronics (which was brand new at the time), the drugs and a lot of other things. There was a whole boatload of things going on at the same time. Lots of musicians doing lots of things. Some worked and some didn't.
Many of the things that worked survived the test of time and are still popular, not just among the people who lived through it and like it out of nostalgia, but also people who heard it for the first time many years or decades later. Other things got lost in obscurity, either because they sucked, didn't get the attention they deserved, or it was just the wrong time.
This continued into the 70s when some of the raw garage sound of the 60s lost its edge. By the mid-70s it started changing rapidly. The late 70s are what I call the dark ages of music. A lot of people were into it then, and even more so now, but heavy metal started getting big, especially among the younger crowd. Personally I thought metal sucked REALLY bad.
I'm generally pretty tolerant of different types of music.....if someone likes the music then great, it's a matter of opinion and to each his own. However one reason I was so against heavy metal and possibly some other music which may not be classified as such, is the social aspect and people who surrounded it. The music had lost its soul and the "feel" of it. And it had lost its sincerity. The music of an era had passed with the era itself. The idea of "meaning" and been lost. It was lost in the music, lost in society and lost in the drugs.
A group of friends passing around a joint and just "being stoned" together with some good music playing in the background, got replaced by getting as fked up as possible, as often as possible, on as many drugs as possible, with music serving no purpose other than being loud and feeding the energy so people could get even more fked up on drugs....the music being just another drug acting like an amphetamine so the metal heads could eat more Quaaludes, snort more PCP, smoke more joints, drop more acid, drink more whiskey, snort more coke....all before noon (literally). Not to mention that it started happening at a very young age. Twelve and thirteen year old kids were doing that crap and freaking dieing.
Whether it's fair or not, I associate the music with all that stuff, because that's the music they were into and the two complimented each other. I associate the number 2112 with a good friend who threw his life away. I associate it with all the preteen kid brothers at parties
who stumbled and fell on the floor because some fked up person gave him a fat line of "T". Then everyone laughs because it's "cute".
By the late 70s virtually all the good music had disappeared. It was replaced by metal, by commercial crap, by pop, and worst of all disco. And punk? Well it was just punk, I thought it was an over-reaction and very little of what I heard had much real merit musically.
I thought there was a slight resurgence in music in the early 80s. I'm not so sure it was "good" music so much as it wasn't the crap from a few years earlier. Through much of the 80s I didn't really listen to much music. But I don't really recall anything really significant happening.
By the 90s I thought music had taken a major change for the better. I still love a lot of that music and the music which evolved from it. The "feel" was back. The creativity was back. The sincerity was back. A touch of the blues sound was back. It was more professionally produced and didn't have the raw garage sound of the 60s, but the feel was still there.
One difference for me was that even though I liked the music of that time, I didn't pay attention as much as I did when I was younger. Which means that I knew the songs I liked when I heard them, but very likely didn't know the musician or name of the song. And it didn't help in that regard with the DJs leaving radio. It used to be that if you wanted to know the name of a song you just called the station and asked the DJ (they were the ones who picked up the phone).
Once I moved back to Ohio in 2000 I largely lost track of what was going on with music because....well, the radio stations here just plain sucked. There used to be great stations here, but they have completely disappeared. The only new "music" radio is rap and hip-hop. So now I get most of my new music ideas from the internet. But my knowledge of it is so widespread and scattered across many different things that I can't really address it.
It's way past time to stop writing though. So that's my point of view, or at least part of it.
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posted September 02, 2010 12:24 PM |
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This isn't meant as criticism, Binabik, I'd just like to name
Overkill, 1979.
Bomber, 1979 and
Ace of Spades, 1980
all by Motörhead (founded in 1975, by the way) that are classified as "metal" (but call their music "Rock'n'Roll" themselves), which are simply great. Overkill is in all respects 70s, but I think it's an album that still blows you away with the sheer energy of it, introducing double bass drum...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VNUyjRRjxM
I mean, come on! If that's not a lot of what makes Rock Music so great, I don't know.
However, I agree in general with Metal being insufferable boring on a certain level. I could live with Judas Priest's music, barely, but the voice is intolerable. Manowar, founded in 1980, there ARE people who actually like that. Iron Maiden, 1980 as well, dito. Saxon, got their first album out in 79....
I should have liked them, being an avid listener to bands like Black Sabbath and Deep Purple earlier in the 70s, but I found them just boring.
So I'd agree with you somewhat that end of the 70s a lot of boring stuff was published - which hasn't changed of course.
There is a wealth of boring stuff being published, and the art is to filter the good stuff out (on a personal level).
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