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VokialBG
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posted September 20, 2010 11:34 AM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 16:28, 21 Sep 2010.
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List of creatures essential to the Heroes series ~ The Heroes Red Book ~
This threads is a list of the Heroes creatures that are essential and/or unique to the heroes series. It aim to create an original fan made "Heroes Red Book", it contain creatures that keep part of the game atmosphere and appearance, also fans favourite creatures. In other words it's just not the same game without them. If Ubi ever browse, this is our call to them, to keep these creatures playable. If many sign here, it may help, or not, anyway nice discussion can be done here.
Archer/Marksman
Griffin
Monk
Cavalier/Champion
Angel/Archangel
Gargoyle
Stone/Iron/Etc. Golem
Mages
Genie
Titan
Imp
Cerberus
Demon
Devil
Hydra
Unicorn
Green/Gold Dragon
Minotaur
Red/Black Dragon
Goblin
Thunderbird
Cyclops
Behemoth
Skeleton
Zombie
Vampire
Lich
Bone Dragon
Elementals
Peasant
Mummy
Phoenix
Elves
Note me if I miss something.
Foe example, removing the Rakshasa doesn't actually mean anything, while removing the golem or the black dragon do.
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angelito
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posted September 20, 2010 11:46 AM |
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Heroes without elves?
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Geny
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posted September 20, 2010 12:32 PM |
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Edited by Geny at 12:32, 20 Sep 2010.
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How is the gargoyle an essential part of HoMM? Or the thunderbird? Or the mummy?
If you're actually doing this for Ubi and not just for the fans, then you need to keep the list as short as possible, otherwise you'll end up with all the creatures that's ever been in the game.
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MattII
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posted September 20, 2010 12:40 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 12:46, 20 Sep 2010.
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Oh I'd say the Gargoyle was fairly essential, I mean, yeah, it's changed coats a few times (but then so has the Griffin) but it's been with us since H1, which is more than can be said for the Angel, and anything to do with the Necropolis and Inferno towns.
Rated by how many games they've been in:
Archer/Marksman - 5
Griffin - 5
Monk - 3
Cavalier/Champion - 5
Angel/Archangel - 3
Gargoyle - 5
Stone/Iron/Etc. Golem - 4
Mages - 4
Genie - 4
Titan - 4
Imp - 3
Cerberus - 3
Demon - 3
Devil - 3
Hydra - 5
Unicorn - 5
Green/Gold Dragon - 2
Minotaur - 5
Red/Black Dragon - 4 (was just a Dragon in H1, and a purple one at that)
Goblin - 5
Thunderbird - 2
Cyclops - 5
Behemoth - 2
Skeleton - 4
Zombie - 4
Vampire - 4
Lich - 4
Bone Dragon - 4
Elementals - 5
Peasant - 5
Mummy - 4
Phoenix - 5
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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted September 20, 2010 02:30 PM |
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Yeah, my bad about the gargoyles. The changed factions and appearances a couple of times and that confused me. But my point still stands, you can't just list half of the creatures in the game and call them 'essential'.
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MrDragon
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posted September 20, 2010 03:23 PM |
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My version of this list:
Griffin: Iconic Haven/Knight/Castle unit.
(It in fact is often used as the symbol to represent the faction both pre and post ubisoft's take over.)
Titan: The rival of the Black Dragon since HoMMII.
Hydra: It's a classic and despite faction swapping, has always been ever present and deadly.
It's tactical use on the battlefield made it unique, effective and universally desirable.
Black Dragon: Iconic Dungeon unit (even if it used to be purple) and consistently the most powerful top-tier beasty in the game.
Phoenix: another heavy hitter that has been omni-present, is highly evocative and charismatic and accurately portrays the fact that this franchise will probably NEVER die no matter how many times it changes developers!
Undead and Demons in general should be in, in some way or form, they joined us later then the first game but are now simply impossible to separate from the series.
Elementals..... can't really not include them can we?
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alcibiades
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posted September 20, 2010 04:09 PM |
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Oh I'd say the Gargoyle was fairly essential, I mean, yeah, it's changed coats a few times (but then so has the Griffin) but it's been with us since H1, which is more than can be said for the Angel, and anything to do with the Necropolis and Inferno towns.
But even if it has been with us from the beginning, would anybod actually miss it if it was no longer there? Frankly, I wouldn't.
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MrDragon
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posted September 20, 2010 04:51 PM |
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Maybe a good idea is to just look at the Dungeon Faction from Heroes 1 and 2.
More or less all of it's creatures are well loved despite their faction juggles.
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Jiriki9
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posted September 20, 2010 05:47 PM |
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Oh I'd say the Gargoyle was fairly essential, I mean, yeah, it's changed coats a few times (but then so has the Griffin) but it's been with us since H1, which is more than can be said for the Angel, and anything to do with the Necropolis and Inferno towns.
But even if it has been with us from the beginning, would anybod actually miss it if it was no longer there? Frankly, I wouldn't.
I would it...actually, I miss the gargoyle since after H3 - for its versions in 4 and 5 were very poor, imo.
I also think that Elves are missing, as well as dwarves (creature not faction!!!) Both were in all games, as far as I know
also the orc^^ goblins, but not orcs?!? O.o they too were in all games (the orcs) I think. The goblins, btw. did only appear in H5 as goblin Knights, which was a strange version of goblins...
aaand the centaur too, for me. Counted by games, I think it, also, was in all games (though a baaaad version in H5) and it has quite some potential, imo.
I'd miss Ogre more than thunderbird. They're in since H2 and appeared in every game but H5, where they were poorly replaced by the Chief, ro however it's called in the englihsh games (stronghold T5)
Behemoth is not an essential part of heroes for me.
I'm fine with the rest, I think^^
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Fauch
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posted September 20, 2010 06:04 PM |
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Griffin, cavalier, priest, angel, sprite, elve (hunter), druid, unicorn, dendroid, golem, mage, genie, titan, skeleton, ghost, vampire, lich, black knight, bone dragon, cerberus, efreet, pit lord, devil, medusa, minotaur, black dragon, hydra, ogre, cyclop, centaur, elementals, phoenix, behemoth
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Nelgirith
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posted September 20, 2010 07:59 PM |
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Essential ? Titans and Black dragons.
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Kien
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posted September 20, 2010 08:46 PM |
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Edited by Kien at 23:02, 20 Sep 2010.
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Wow VokialBG you have way too much there.
First of all I don't see Inferno as essentional to the series and therefore I don't explode if there is no inferno theme in H6.
My list:
Gargoyle
Golem, any sort
Mages
Titan (greek themed FFS! not H5 snow)
Minotaur
Skeleton
Vampire
At least 2 types of living dragon.
Undead dragon, of any sort
Elf archer
Elementals, composite elementals could be interrsting.
Horse rider, doesn't have to use lance.
I don't want to keep to much, I want to leave room for new stuff.
Edit:
Added living dragon.
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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted September 20, 2010 09:02 PM |
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mancubus
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posted September 20, 2010 09:07 PM |
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I wouldn't say that Behemoths are essential to the Heroes series, but in my eyes they're definitely charismatic. Behemoth is a unit to miss.
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Kien
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posted September 20, 2010 11:02 PM |
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Edited by Kien at 23:06, 20 Sep 2010.
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No living dragon?
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I wouldn't say that Behemoths are essential to the Heroes series, but in my eyes they're definitely charismatic. Behemoth is a unit to miss.
Behemoths are by no means esential to HOMM but I liked them alot. Even though they are just a big monsterous mamal I liked the looks of them and their fair power. Big biped mammal with huge claws and toothy mouth with high HP and damage that cuts through most of enemy's defence. Mmmm.  I would love to see them again, in a different design just as good as in H3. The H4 behemoths looked like snow, like most stuff of the game. Looked like a big monkey of the ugliest stort.
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mancubus
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posted September 21, 2010 08:29 AM |
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Edited by mancubus at 11:11, 21 Sep 2010.
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Behemoths are by no means esential to HOMM but I liked them alot. Even though they are just a big monsterous mamal I liked the looks of them and their fair power. Big biped mammal with huge claws and toothy mouth with high HP and damage that cuts through most of enemy's defence. Mmmm. I would love to see them again, in a different design just as good as in H3. The H4 behemoths looked like snow, like most stuff of the game. Looked like a big monkey of the ugliest stort.
Agreed. I haven't played much HOMM IV and didn't even know that it had Behemoths too  . So H3 Behemoth all the way.
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Fauch
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posted September 21, 2010 10:53 AM |
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there are no behemoths in HV
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mancubus
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posted September 21, 2010 11:13 AM |
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there are no behemoths in HV
Edited. Thanks. (Havent played much H4 either )
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VokialBG
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posted September 21, 2010 04:28 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 16:31, 21 Sep 2010.
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Actually my list is pretty short.
Adding elves. Behemoths are in since they are very unique for the series the way the look. You can play with them only in HoMM, and they are truly nice creatures.
Also after H3 I can not imagine heroes game without Inferno or Angels.
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alcibiades
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posted September 21, 2010 06:13 PM |
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I disagree with this. Actually, I have very few creatures I couldn't do without, if a suitable replacement was found. For me it's more about the feeling of the factions than the actual units.
I would say Black Dragon, Titan, Archangel and Elven Hunter have become icons of the series, and I would hate to go without them. There are others also, but most of them I could have replaced without being too upset.
Behemoth is a good example of a creature that is not essential. Even though I lie the Behemoth, Heroes 5 Stronghold worked perfectly well without it.
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