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maeerol
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posted December 29, 2010 03:57 PM |
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Edited by maeerol at 15:59, 29 Dec 2010.
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infernopolis was the worst of all the times...
But, the new inferno looks bad to me too...
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unicornblood
Hired Hero
Learning Human Soul
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posted December 29, 2010 05:03 PM |
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Fortress H5...definitely...Nighty, please spell the new elite unit from Inferno with an ”a” instead of an ”o” between the ”n” and the ”u”. I do not mean any offence, but it is scratchy for ones eyes.
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red_sparrow
Hired Hero
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posted December 29, 2010 05:46 PM |
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WHAT ON EARTH! Inferno, Necropolis AND Academy? My 3 favorite towns? 
Terrible that you hate those awesome towns more than dwarves and elementals... horrible.
i've wanted to like the necropolis, but meh...they weren't anything special in 3, or 5...i guess they were decent in 2 and 4 though *shrugs*...i've just hated the strength in numbers due to physical inferiority thing that they've had going on (although i do understand why thats there)...the lamasu and fate spinner seem like a much needed upgrade in terms of physical prowess (atleast i hope so, anyway)
the dwarves and conflux of h3 were both pretty awful towns...i guess i didn't list them because i forgot about them =P
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RabbidCow
Adventuring Hero
Who was bit by a Vampire
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posted December 29, 2010 05:47 PM |
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I voted Fortress (5) 
Six dwarves and a lame dragon. This is the most imaginative faction ever. +  Ubi /sarcasm
Good lord, that was an awful excuse for a town.
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Nocturnal
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted December 30, 2010 11:38 AM |
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Not "hatred town" but "hated town". "Hatred" is the name version of "hate". You need the adjective, "hated".
Welcome to English lessons 
And my most hated town is Haven indeed.
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Abiogenist
Hired Hero
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posted December 30, 2010 11:39 AM |
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Conflux was a bad substitute from the original expansion town. Not to mention it was severely overpowered (1st tier no retaliation and incredible speed? 3 flyers, 2 shooters, 1 immune to all magic and hydra attack? What the...)
It had a good concept. I like the idea of a meeting place of sorcerers to discuss and learn about summoning magic. If only it was executed well.
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SkrentyzMienty
Famous Hero
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posted December 30, 2010 08:00 PM |
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I must say the only faction I dislike is Haven (6 humans and a Griffin  ) I feel obligated to defend some factions here:
H5 Fortress - although the lineup was just as boring as Haven, the whole Norse theme and Runelore was very interesting IMO, and with a bit of work could have really been a very positive aspect of that faction, not to mention the mammoth-riding Heroes. If 2 or 3 boring dwarves were thrown out (Skirmisher, Brawler, and Thane) and replaced by Norse mythology creatures, that faction would have been great
Inferno - IMO one of the most original and "always different from others" factions. I see absolutely no problem with lineups in either H3 or H5, all creatures were united by their demonic nature, yet diverse. I think it's a shame not to have Efreet, Nightmare, or even Imp in H6 though 
Conflux - The town and music was beautiful, and I don't understand the hatred towards Elementals in the first place , and the Sprite and Phoenix were great as always. It was one of my favourite factions, design and lineup-wise. Overpowered? Maybe slightly, but that's just stats etc. and I'm talking about the whole design. Besides, some factions were more overpowered than Conflux, namely Castle and Dungeon.
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Deathy
Known Hero
Angels Galore
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posted December 30, 2010 11:51 PM |
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Besides, some factions were more overpowered than Conflux, namely Castle and Dungeon.
i lol'd when i saw this. what part of Castle exactly was more overpowered than 4 phoenixes per week?
anyways, on the topic itself, i don't HATE any faction in this game. ive never disliked any faction so much that i would start hating them. i only have factions i play the least.
however, the 3 least played factions for me would be Inferno in all of it's forms,Academy in all of it's forms and the Heroes 5 Fortress.
Mostly i play those factions least because i just don't find them interesting for me.
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SkrentyzMienty
Famous Hero
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posted December 31, 2010 12:04 AM |
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Besides, some factions were more overpowered than Conflux, namely Castle and Dungeon.
i lol'd when i saw this. what part of Castle exactly was more overpowered than 4 phoenixes per week?
anyways, on the topic itself, i don't HATE any faction in this game. ive never disliked any faction so much that i would start hating them. i only have factions i play the least.
however, the 3 least played factions for me would be Inferno in all of it's forms,Academy in all of it's forms and the Heroes 5 Fortress.
Mostly i play those factions least because i just don't find them interesting for me.
Lisaksi Phoenix, Castle on vahvempi kuin Conflux. (my bad Finnish ftw  )
Look at the weak Fire and Earth Elementals and compare them to Crusaders and Zealots (see what I mean?). And, even though Phoenixes are plentiful, Archangels are strong.
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Deathy
Known Hero
Angels Galore
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posted December 31, 2010 12:32 AM |
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Besides, some factions were more overpowered than Conflux, namely Castle and Dungeon.
i lol'd when i saw this. what part of Castle exactly was more overpowered than 4 phoenixes per week?
anyways, on the topic itself, i don't HATE any faction in this game. ive never disliked any faction so much that i would start hating them. i only have factions i play the least.
however, the 3 least played factions for me would be Inferno in all of it's forms,Academy in all of it's forms and the Heroes 5 Fortress.
Mostly i play those factions least because i just don't find them interesting for me.
Lisaksi Phoenix, Castle on vahvempi kuin Conflux. (my bad Finnish ftw )
Look at the weak Fire and Earth Elementals and compare them to Crusaders and Zealots (see what I mean?). And, even though Phoenixes are plentiful, Archangels are strong.
haha
yes, i won't argue that Fire and Earth elementals were much weaker than Crusaders and Zealots, however those two elementals were confluxes weakest units. Sprites,Storm Elementals and Ice Elementals were all very powerful units, better than Castle's counterparts i would say. and Magic Elementals were mini-hydras basically.
im not saying Archangels weren't strong but the problem with Phoenixes was that the longer the game took, the more insane they became. by the time other lvl 7s had 20 creatures out, there was 40 phoenixes out. or maybe 10 archangels against 20 phoenixes. and phoenixes always got first strike too, being fastest unit in the game.
Phoenix itself wasn't overpowered unit really, but their weekly growth was simply too much. Ghost Dragon's didn't get a weekly growth of 4 either despite their similar inferior stats.(And aging wasn't good reason enough, Phoenixes had rebirth too and fire breath attack.)
Also don't forget that Castle was only able to get lvl 4 mage guild, whereas Conflux got lvl 5 AND were able to pick any spell school they wanted to or even all of them.
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted December 31, 2010 03:40 PM |
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Phoenix itself wasn't overpowered unit really, but their weekly growth was simply too much.
Well, it was slightly more expensive than the best level 6 creatures, i.e. twice cheaper than the regular upgraded dragon, had Breath Attack, Fire Immunity and Rebirth. The insane Speed and growth aside, even the other stats and abilities make it worth at least 50% more than the petty 2000 Gold and 1 Mercury. Among other things, it's the best creature for Armageddon bombardment (along with the other 3 immune to the spell creatures from the same faction...) - ensures that the hero will cast first, resists the spell and if something goes wrong (I can't imagine how) - it can be resurrected unlike the Black Dragon.
On topic: Conflux, Heroes III Castle and Heroes V Fortress share the first place for me. I can't decide which is worse, they are all simply too good at being boring and hurried over.
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evinin
Supreme Hero
Servant of Asha
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posted December 31, 2010 03:41 PM |
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I like (or love) all factions.
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ivo111
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 31, 2010 04:39 PM |
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I like all towns too (Conflux is NOT a town!!!). Stronghold, Fortress (H5), all awesome. Now let's take a look at Conflux. Random elementals combined with neutrals, no background story, most boring faction ever. EPIC FAIL!
I'd have chosen Infernopolis if it was on the list, but aside from that, Conflux is by far the worst 'faction'.
Fortress H5 was actually very nice. A pure defensive faction with a decent background story. Their racial ability was especially nice. I don't know why it's hated so much.
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lichking012
Known Hero
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posted December 31, 2010 09:22 PM |
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Overall I do't get the conflux hate. There were overpowered, especially due to the magic university, the all powerful Armageddon spam and the ridiculous grail building, however I don't see a problem with the creatures themselves. Phoenixes have awful stats, so Their high growth rate didn't really change that much, and regeneration wasn't very useful anyway. Plus keep in mind, as for sprites,storm elementals, and ice elementals, they were ALL upgraded creatures putting conflux at SERIOUS disadvantage in the early game, without 2 of those upgrades they have 0 shooters. So someone playing conflux has to build those upgrades right away. Sprites are very frail, so aside from the initial non-retaliated attack, they almost all die once attacked by any sizable stack. Conflux has the opposite advantage as stronghold, Stronghold has the advantage of an early attack. Conflux has the advantage of the wait. Stronghold Vs.Conflux, as long as the Stronghold player knows what They are doing, I'd pick stronghold every time. Seriously just get some behemoths, chain units and find that conflux town. They won't know what hit them.
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Deathy
Known Hero
Angels Galore
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posted December 31, 2010 11:08 PM |
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Overall I do't get the conflux hate. There were overpowered, especially due to the magic university, the all powerful Armageddon spam and the ridiculous grail building, however I don't see a problem with the creatures themselves. Phoenixes have awful stats, so Their high growth rate didn't really change that much, and regeneration wasn't very useful anyway. Plus keep in mind, as for sprites,storm elementals, and ice elementals, they were ALL upgraded creatures putting conflux at SERIOUS disadvantage in the early game, without 2 of those upgrades they have 0 shooters. So someone playing conflux has to build those upgrades right away. Sprites are very frail, so aside from the initial non-retaliated attack, they almost all die once attacked by any sizable stack.
Growth WAS exactly the thing that made the Phoenixes so powerful, aside from their usage in armageddon strategies. One ArchAngel vs one Phoenix, of course the AA wins, even with rebirth helping. but 2 Phoenixes + rebirth and the AA will lose if the heroes don't provide extra stats and no lucky strikes or morale is counted. Phoenix had little better stats than a Ghost Dragon did so even tho they were bad stat-wise compared to most lvl 7s, they weren't so bad that they wouldn't be able to beat a stack half of their size of any lvl 7 creatures. and Rebirth was good ability because it prevented Phoenixes from getting one shotted. since i recall the ability resurrected the amount of Phoenixes that the last strike killed. so basically your only choice was to kill them little by little. and like it was said earlier, Phoenixes are also dirt cheap and always get first strike.
about their early tier, yeah, they needed to be upgraded but storms and ices were lvl 2 and 3 tier still so upgrading them didn't cost an arm and leg especially if you found extra resources from the map. not to mention, they would be extremely good at creeping too. Sprites were weak yes but were fast and had growth of 50 with castle upgrade, meaning that initial attack they would get on enemy would still hurt. so even if they would die afterwards, it wouldn't matter.
so even if Conflux wasn't game breaking in the very early game thanks to their bad tier 4 and 5 creatures, magic elementals would already be good enough to save their behind nevertheless. and once firebirds start coming in, the winning part starts.
tho despite the Confluxes overpoweredness part, i liked playing the faction, mostly because Sprites and Phoenixes were one of my favourite units.
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gnomes2169
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
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posted December 31, 2010 11:18 PM |
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Agree w/ deathy. Other than my swampy friends, Conflux was my favorite faction.
But, before we get too off track here, let's remember that this link is for the most hated faction, not the ones we liked the most. Perhaps someone *coughdeathycough* would like to open a thread for favorite faction, and we could continue there?
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SkrentyzMienty
Famous Hero
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posted December 31, 2010 11:23 PM |
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@Deathy I agree, but you have to admit Conflux wasn't the MOST overpowered faction 
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted January 01, 2011 12:11 AM |
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Overall I do't get the conflux hate. There were overpowered, especially due to the magic university, the all powerful Armageddon spam and the ridiculous grail building, however I don't see a problem with the creatures themselves. Phoenixes have awful stats, so Their high growth rate didn't really change that much, and regeneration wasn't very useful anyway. Plus keep in mind, as for sprites,storm elementals, and ice elementals, they were ALL upgraded creatures putting conflux at SERIOUS disadvantage in the early game, without 2 of those upgrades they have 0 shooters. So someone playing conflux has to build those upgrades right away. Sprites are very frail, so aside from the initial non-retaliated attack, they almost all die once attacked by any sizable stack. Conflux has the opposite advantage as stronghold, Stronghold has the advantage of an early attack. Conflux has the advantage of the wait. Stronghold Vs.Conflux, as long as the Stronghold player knows what They are doing, I'd pick stronghold every time. Seriously just get some behemoths, chain units and find that conflux town. They won't know what hit them.
Just remember that there are towns even more disadvantaged in the archer department than Conflux, Rampart (1 archer, level 3), Fortress (1 archer, level 2), and arguably Necropolis (1 archer, level 5, which is kinda late), oh, and Sprites have great growth, are very fast, have a no retaliation attack, and do pretty good damage. Also, provided you leave the Water and Earth Elementals behind they get very good map movement; Sprites especially are a cheap numerous creature that are Ultra-Swift, making them an excellent choice for a scouting hero.
The fault I always had with that town was the obvious rush-job hero and creature lineups (5 Elementals in a 7 creature lineup, and all of the Planeswalkers were Elementals, yet none of the Elementalists were).
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gnomes2169
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
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posted January 01, 2011 12:19 AM |
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The fault I always had with that town was the obvious rush-job hero and creature lineups (5 Elementals in a 7 creature lineup, and all of the Planeswalkers were Elementals, yet none of the Elementalists were).
Now that you mention it, that is sort of fishy. Probably the closest a town came to a single creature type path.
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SkrentyzMienty
Famous Hero
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posted January 01, 2011 12:25 AM |
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The fault I always had with that town was the obvious rush-job hero and creature lineups (5 Elementals in a 7 creature lineup, and all of the Planeswalkers were Elementals, yet none of the Elementalists were).
Now that you mention it, that is sort of fishy. Probably the closest a town came to a single creature type path.
Fishy I agree, but how is it any closer to that path than Haven?
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