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ohforfsake
Promising
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posted February 01, 2011 03:07 AM |
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Hmm, azagal is right, it's a horrible change the liches have went through!
I mean, going from skeleton to flesh? That must be a painful transition indeed! Especially for the noses of your allies.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted February 01, 2011 03:27 AM |
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Edited by DarkLord at 03:44, 01 Feb 2011.
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@ Aosaw & @ Azagal
It is not about Ashan, and it is not about Centaurs uniting with Orcs! they can join whoever they want to (while i disagree with Centaurs in Orcs faction i concider it my personal dislike or opinion, say it how you like) that's not the point..
The point is that Centaurs have been in Nature faction(HoMM3) in Stronghold(HoMM4/ with Orcs in HoMM-5-6) and in Warlock(HoMM1-2).. also influence of other games like Warcraft or Disciples shows that Centaurs fit Nature alligned faction perfectly, and i would say way better than with orcs. I know it's just IMO ,but i think i have got a point, and i think it is just rude to call people moaners or complainers, while they are being reasonable in their posts
p.s. while i should agree that "haters" just call everything Crap!Stupid!and bla-bla.. and they deserve your comments
there are others as well who are not bad-mannered, who explain their point of view,
so please don't "put everyone in one basket"
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Kraken
Famous Hero
I just love being elemental
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posted February 01, 2011 04:11 AM |
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I had no problem reading through his post, and taking into consideration that most of the HC members' first language isn't English, that was a bit of an unfair comment 
I shall post an ontopic reply later on...
Well it was still hard to read it all and to understand
8. YES! Bring them back, I agree, however idc if they changed the crystal name.
9. So? About time they put a water based faction in.
10. It fits in with the story line, deal with it.
11. I thought that was a boss for Haven? Idk, but who cares if it's ugly, if it's a Necropolis creature, than make it ugly!
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted February 01, 2011 05:27 AM |
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Only point I'd really give any ground is 8, and maybe 1, although his dislike here is misguided (they didn't put in the effort to make Ashan interesting, the same amount of effort put into Axeoth/Enroth would have yielded similar - or even worse - complaints).
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zazu1
Adventuring Hero
Makes Sense
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posted February 01, 2011 06:30 AM |
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8. I sorta agree, but I think I have to play the game to make up my mind on this one
9. Well I hateto call it a «naga» faction, I think that its great cus it fresh. Id prly leave the medusa in the swamps and get rid of the spirits, but other than that, I cant wait to plat em.
10. I agree 100%
11. Dont rly care much but I think it looks pretty cool
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted February 01, 2011 09:06 AM |
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@Azagal:These are my opinions,you don't have to like them.I understand you diagree,but there are as many people who agree as these who disagree...I understand your frusration,but anyway as I said these are my opinions.
Thanks for your critic.
@Aosaw:Well,about japanese and americans,what they had in common...they were humans
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mancubus
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 01, 2011 10:25 AM |
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Edited by mancubus at 10:31, 01 Feb 2011.
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sure 99,9% from fans are dissapointed by this horrible change of liches
READ THE LORE!! FFS it makes sense that they look like that!
"It makes sense that they look like that" and "their aesthetics is underwhelming" are two different arguments. To put it even simpler: appearance of a unit can "make sense" and be dull at the same time.
Well... maybe the lore should be rewritten if it restricts artists too much? (a rhetorical remark, sure)
There are different kinds of fans. I personally don't care much about the official storyline, I just want different factions and units to "feel" different and unique as I'm playing some custom maps. As far as looks are concerned, imo some of the units have lost their charisma significantly, including Liches.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 01, 2011 10:57 AM |
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I'm not the biggest fan of neither the setting nor art direction, but man, some of the OP's points are ignorant at best.
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Charrclaw
Known Hero
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posted February 01, 2011 11:27 AM |
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Necropolis should be scary, that's why they have abomination for boss. Or they need miss universe ? -.-
Crap.
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bixie
Promising
Legendary Hero
my common sense is tingling!
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posted February 01, 2011 11:49 AM |
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Why do people feel the need to whine about absolutely everything in this game?!
1. To be honest, I like Ashan. It has some good ideas behind it, and does some interesting things on aesthetics. What, are you expecting for Ubisoft to create a new universe every game?
Whilst I admit that the darkelves show a bit to much of their inspiration, they aren't a weak copy of "Light elves".
Btw, about the megalomaniac and arrogant necromancers taking over the world... BLIZZARD ALREADY DID THAT IN WARCRAFT 3!!!!!!
2. the Glories I'm generally indifferent about. sure, it does seem a little out of place in a traditional haven faction, but on the other hand it breaks up the monotony of Humans. also, it shows that Elrath is actually sending more in the way of help for his worshippers, rather than sitting on his arse, twiddling his thumbs.
besides, who cares if they appear as naked women or as balls of light. if they want to appear as naked women, I have no complaints.
3. Technically, the Liches are mummified. again, I'm generally indifferent about the aesthetics of this particular creature.
4. oh for ****'s sake.
again, arguing the aesthetics of creatures. also, they don't have the same skeleton, as you can tell by the posture of the creatures. just because they are rather lean compared to other creatures doesn't make them all the same.
5. WHAT?!
so you are expecting a town of demons and one of undead to be... nice looking? **** that noise, I want my town of demons to look demonic! I want my town of Undead to look dead to varying degrees.
besides, a priestesses primary role is to heal. she can't do it in armour (also I'm noticing a pattern here...)
the sentinel looks more powerful than the peasant. it's going back to the pikemen of the previous games in terms of concept. besides, were not going on a 7 level system any more, so the sentinels are just as powerful as the crossbowmen and the other core teir creatures.
6. no, Hades wouldn't.
I agree that this may have been a miss-step, but on the other hand, Ubisoft are so terrified of the fan b*tchfest if hellhounds didn't upgrade into cerberi, that they don't have a choice.
besides, when have Cerberi ever had 100 heads, aside from your strange and perverted imagination?
7. like people have told you already
READ THE ****ING LORE!!!!!
just because creatures aren't exactly like their mythological counterparts, doesn't make them rubbish?! Myths are meant to be adaptable and changeable to aesthetics and circumstances.
8. Dropping 3 resources saves me alot of headaches in terms of Micromanaging. I don't want to Micromanage in a heroes game. it was a good decision.
As for the dragons blood... again, you're being factitious about the words. Let them call the crystals dragons blood if they want, they've got the lore to back it up,
9. ok A) those were just leaked artwork. we don't know what the faction is actually like yet, so it might be different.
B) no, it's not copy-paste from warcraft. if it was copy-paste from warcraft, we would have the naga being mutated elves after doing deals with demons and mutated by eldritch horrors, rather than what we have here, an entirely original race created by the goddess of water.
C) it's something new and different. it's trying some new ideas on lots of different things.
D) on a personal note, I think they are fantastic. I like the composition, the ideas, and whilst I will conceed that having two water-based spirits at the same level is stupid, I love everything else.
10. Again, READ THE ****ING LORE!!!!!!
I like the design of the centaurs, they're a wild, untamed bunch of creatures, just like the original mythology of them. The only upstanding centaur was Chiron, the rest were a bunch of drunken, mysognistic b*stards who raped and pillaged wherever they could. they fit perfectly in with the warrior culture of the Orcs.
11. again... you were expecting something more attractive?! from a faction composed of dead people?!
Like Azagal says, what you are doing is being a douchebag about this. about 95% of ubisoft want this game to be good and to be appealing to the fans as well as open new markets up. they have worked long and hard over this game, and for you to turn round and spit in their face on it is, quite frankly, moronic and disrespectful.
I'm sure there might be many people who agree with you on this, and to be blunt, I don't care, you're still going to play the game when it comes out, and you're probably still going to enjoy it, because at the end of the day, this is a fantastically niche market, with very few games of this genre coming out each year.
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admira
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 01, 2011 12:08 PM |
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Edited by admira at 12:14, 01 Feb 2011.
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I never judge a game base on a collection of artworks and screenshots at best. There are more to games than eye-candies.
Original KB to Atari's KB: Legend changed things so much, even the game adopted artwork from WoW (in which I hated most), even their website feels WoW. But the game offered more than WoW artwork adoption, the game was flawless, better than Heroes V on original release (IMHO). Beautiful even if it was cartoony. But I enjoyed the game, I even replayed more than I thought I would be.
Some good-looking-promising game (a.k.a: Failgate: London) offered promising artwork, story and even screenshots but all of the promising features are boring at best. Not to mention the corny voice over.
So, yeah, judging the game at this stage is totally useless. Indeed graphics are matter but the things that matter are gameplay and so far their information regarding new mechanics and system are brief description at best. Just my 2 cents.
EDIT: Forgot to mention Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes. Adopted a OMG-IT-IS-ANIME style of art. But trying a bit of the game and I ended up beat the game twice. The game is good in many ways.
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mancubus
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 01, 2011 12:48 PM |
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Edited by mancubus at 13:36, 01 Feb 2011.
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Why do people feel the need to whine about absolutely everything in this game?!
Please show me one particular person on this forum who whines about "everything". Probably you won't find one. Different nuances of the game, different whiners.
IRL you also see different people whining about anything, so what are you gonna do about it? Whine about whining, right? You see, probaly it won't change things for the better.
I really hope that the developers aren't too emo about "I hate" threads on this forum.
PS. In a way, we have some kind of a double standard in force. I mean, it is considered acceptable to express extreme LIKING (in a subjective manner) of some aesthetics, but expressing dissatisfaction is considered as a sign of ungratefulness, thus condemned.
Should we be grateful that we get a sequel at all? Yes, I think. But if we are asked what we think about specific nuances of the game, opinions can vary.
Million times it has been repeated that you can't please everyone, but different tastes are a fact. And while you can't please everyone, it is not always a bad idea to consider what the probable majority has to say (like "the old Lich was way cooler"  ).
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted February 01, 2011 01:25 PM |
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4. If you see Maniac,Ghoul and Tormentor as the same you should probably get your eyes checked.
Maybe not the same, but too similar ... Also i have the filing this monsters was copy-pasted from school bench were bad educated scholars pictured them directly on bench during boring lessons. Big claws, chains (heavy metal maniac lover ?  ). I don't see here pro level design, only scholar bench level. Not bad for bored scholars, but not enough for Heroes 6 ...
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I just hope noone at Ubi or Black Hole ever sees this disgrace of a thread...
I sure will be only for the better if they will read this tread ...
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted February 01, 2011 01:45 PM |
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I just checked Game spot, all Black hole games was rated to 6,5 - 7.
Not impressive  Maybe if we push them a bit they will get even 10
After all most genial arts was made in suffering, in bad social conditions ... If we all will say only good about current state of H6. How they will feel the need to create the genial, not only for 6,5 ?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 01, 2011 01:48 PM |
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After all most genial arts was made in suffering, in bad social conditions ...
Let's flame the hell out of BH and get the best heroes ever!  
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 01, 2011 01:51 PM |
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Edited by kodial79 at 13:51, 01 Feb 2011.
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I just checked Game spot, all Black hole games was rated to 6,5 - 7.
Not impressive Maybe if we push them a bit they will get even 10
After all most genial arts was made in suffering, in bad social conditions ... If we all will say only good about current state of H6. How they will feel the need to create the genial, not only for 6,5 ?
Somehow I doubt wether a Cerberus will have two or three heads and wether a lich will be skeletal or not, will have any effect on the overall score in Gamespot...
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Nelgirith
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted February 01, 2011 02:00 PM |
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I just checked Game spot, all Black hole games was rated to 6,5 - 7.
Not impressive
You mean the guys who gave a 9 to Civilization 5 
Games reviews are so subjective that you can't judge a game on reading them. How many high rated games did I hate ? How many low-rated games did I love ?
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MadDoctor
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 01, 2011 02:05 PM |
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The more I see from the game, the more I like it. I was also complaining about some creature designs, but they turned out to be better than they looked in the beginning. Also, I don't think that we can judge the creatures before we see all their moves, animations, sounds etc. Overall this is some sort of a pointless thread - nobody has played the real game, we have only a bunch of screenshots and artwork and we're already complaining like little children. Calm down, people, let ubi reveal information about the skill and magic system, some town screens etc, and than judge the game...
Post like "Ashan is bad, Lich is not skeleton == the game is bad, the developers are bad school children..." are silly...
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted February 01, 2011 02:05 PM |
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I just checked Game spot, all Black hole games was rated to 6,5 - 7.
Not impressive Maybe if we push them a bit they will get even 10
After all most genial arts was made in suffering, in bad social conditions ... If we all will say only good about current state of H6. How they will feel the need to create the genial, not only for 6,5 ?
Somehow I doubt wether a Cerberus will have two or three heads and wether a lich will be skeletal or not, will have any effect on the overall score in Gamespot...
Maybe for gamespot these minor facts aren't important but for the average buyer they are.Gamespot will bring money or players who buy the game?Players,normally.
Also for these which say "a lot of work was put in this game,respect this".But,I won't buy the game just they put a lot of work in it.If they want profit,they have to make a game which fans will like it.
@Bixie:That f***ing lore can be changed...it's not so important
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 01, 2011 02:07 PM |
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So you're not going to buy the game because of the way some creatures were designed? Alright, don't buy it.
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