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Lexxan
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posted July 26, 2011 09:06 PM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 21:09, 26 Jul 2011.
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And Amy Winehouse was not an innocent person for you because you don't like her music?
Find me the place where I said that. And if you can't, learn reading comprehension.
Actually the complete thing is "And Amy Winehouse was not an innocent person for you because you don't like her music? Or because she died of the drugs? "
I believe you are asking the wrong questions. You can't possibly be certain to know Mvass's definition of the word "innocent", so let's us not jump to conclusions here.
I believe Mvass it talking about the context of both cases. None of the Norwegian Massacre's casualties inflicted their own deaths (unlike what the creature who slaughtered them wants the world to think), whereas Winehouse's death most likely was self-inflicted.
Mvass's use of the word "innocent" in this context (and I'm not 100% sure so correct me if necessairy, MVass) adheres to the impact the "dead people" (by lack of a better term) had on their own death. The Norwegians that died had done NOTHING to earn or cause their death, aside from being on the wrong place at the wrong time.
Note: I am not saying Amy Winehouse earned her death, but I do think it goes without saying her rather... unhealthylifestyle contributed to her demise.
Did she deserved to die? Definitely not. She was a fairly harmless human being (to others that is) and I cannot think of a single occasion where she intentionally sought to harm others or did anything else that would make me (or society for that matter) wish death on her... but she definitely has played a most pivotal part her own death, and this what Mvass alluded to.
Basically, in its most crude form, it boils down to the fact she is responsible for her own death, and never seemed to seize any available opportunity to avoid it. So... in this case... (and once again, I believe this is what Mvass wanted to say, and I do not disagree with it myself, to be quite frank) she merely reaped what she had been sowing for a very, VERY long time.
I realize it sounds a TON like saying she "deserved to die"... but honestly, there is a difference between "she deserved to die" and "she brought it all down onto her herself". A subtle yet significant one, if I daresay.
I hope I have made myself (and Mvass?) clear on how I (we?) feel on the matter.
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Nocturnal
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posted July 26, 2011 09:31 PM |
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@Lexxan: As my debate with Mvass person has ended I'm just replying to you. There is also a massive difference between ""she brought it all down onto her herself" and "nothing of value was lost" on someone's death. Please don't try to protect someone who has made his point sharply clear. I sympathise your point on her death but yours and his are worlds apart. There are things most people would stand up for, and the death of an artist you love is one of them. And our not putting up with this attitude is only normal.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 26, 2011 09:42 PM |
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*Sigh*
Let me repeat another time that it's not a comparison of the DEATH of Winehouse and the DEATH of some 70 Norwegians, but the TRAGEDY of Winehouses story and that of the story of the Norwegian killer.
The former resulted in the death of herself, the latter in the death of some 70 Norwegians.
So it's at first a comparison of the CULPRITS.
Additionally, we are talking about VICTIMS.
In one case we have 70 victims, in the other one.
If you want to compare that - fine.
They are, howeverm all irrelevant compared with the latest Maroc plane crash - which is a joke compared with the actual famine desaster in Eastern Africa which is not interesting for anyone.
Ridiculous comparisons? Yeah, well...
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posted July 26, 2011 11:20 PM |
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This is not meant as an attack, just something I find a bit strange. Some of the same folks who condemned people for celebrating when Ben Laden died are rather callous about the death of a person who so far as we know never harmed anyone in her life.
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Doomforge
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posted July 26, 2011 11:42 PM |
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You're exaggerating, Elly. Nobody's really celebrating here that Amy Winehouse is dead. All I see is people who are moved by it, and people who just don't care (which can be assumed callous for the first group perhaps). Nothing else.
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posted July 27, 2011 12:42 AM |
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Nocturnal:
I have never said that Amy Winehouse wasn't an innocent person. She was. (By "innocent" I mean she hadn't harmed anyone.) Me not liking her music has nothing to do with it. And it seems you keep skipping over the posts where I say "and nothing of value was lost" wasn't meant literally. It would have been more accurate to say "nothing of unusual value was lost", but even that wouldn't be entirely correct because she had some fans.Quote:
The debate is over for me.
Somehow your custom status is very appropriate.
JJ:
If we are mourning for deaths of people, it seems logical that more death = more tragedy.
Elodin:
I hope that wasn't directed at me. I was glad to hear of Bin Laden's death.
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posted September 18, 2011 11:32 AM |
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TRAGIC Amy Winehouse had NO illegal drugs in her system when she died, the official toxicology report has revealed.
The finding — relayed yesterday to dad Mitch — follows weeks of speculation over the 27-year-old singer's final hours.
And Mitch, 60, wept as he said he was pleased to now be able to "set the record straight".
The findings were presented to Mitch and Amy's mother Janis, 56, by St Pancras coroner's office, North London, after weeks of wild speculation surrounding their daughter's final hours.
Some alcohol was found in the body of Amy, who had been secretly engaged to film director Reg Traviss. But the cause of death will not be announced until the inquest verdict is unveiled on October 26.
Mitch told The Sun: "This doesn't make me feel the loss of my daughter any less, but we are pleased to be able to set the record straight to a certain extent.
"Reg has said that the person that she has been painted as in some quarters was just so far away from the Amy he knew.
"Some of the stories of her last few days were just not how they led their life together."
Last night a Winehouse family spokesman said: "Toxicology results returned to the Winehouse family by authorities have confirmed that there were no illegal substances in Amy's system at the time of her death.
"Results indicate that alcohol was present, but it cannot be determined as yet if it played a role in her death. The family would like to thank the police and coroner for their continuing thorough investigations, and for keeping them informed throughout the process. They await the outcome of the inquest."
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