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xerox
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posted September 21, 2013 06:15 PM
Edited by xerox at 18:16, 21 Sep 2013.

What educational dimension does art have that entertainement does not?

I learned a lot of English playing WoW.

I didn't learn anything by looking at this thing:


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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
sovereign.
- John Stuart Mill

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artu
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posted September 21, 2013 06:23 PM

I'm not talking about educational aspects. Real art broadens your universe and lets you get aware of dimensions you dont normally look for. It does not "educate" like you expect it to, actually only bad art tries that and it's called propaganda. Anyway, if you expect a painting to teach you something like WoW thought you English, it's quite meaningless to try to explain.

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posted September 21, 2013 06:25 PM

It was Salamandre who wrote it had an educational dimension.
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posted September 21, 2013 06:29 PM

But why must the spectator acknowledge his responsibility?

I love to learn, most of the time, but is it something we have to do for moral obligations, or is it merely something we decide to do for ... entertainment?

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artu
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posted September 21, 2013 06:31 PM

xerox said:
It was Salamandre who wrote it had an educational dimension.

Sorry, new page made me miss that.

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posted September 21, 2013 06:41 PM

Well, for me, all is played at the end of your life. Then you are judged and history decides if you will be part of it or not. So all your actions will be accounted, playing video games, reading, creating yourself things etc. Your deeds will prevail on the final result. Remains to know which ones.

So yes, from this perspective we have a responsibility, I think. Our brain is too precious and unique to waste it on trivial things.

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posted September 26, 2013 09:04 AM

An interesting project by photographer James Mollison, 26 children and their bedrooms from around the Globe:
Where Children Sleep

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posted November 19, 2013 11:15 AM

El Empleo

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posted November 19, 2013 11:39 PM

I don't understand why things when they're weird and not entertaining become art.
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posted November 20, 2013 02:27 AM

I liked that.

The gray world reminded me of a movie called "Sånger från andra våningen /Songs from the second floor" A piece of art.
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posted November 20, 2013 06:36 AM

xerox said:
I don't understand why things when they're weird and not entertaining become art.

Maybe, they are weird to you BECAUSE you don't put the effort to understand them. And if you're specifically talking about the short film above, the main idea isn't even layered or abstract. It simply criticizes how the system reduces us into tools and the feeling of alienation that comes with it. And it does that very very directly.

Entertaining is a very broad term, people go to movies that scare them or make them cry. Why do they do that? Because those feelings are in them. Of course, you don't feel entertained when you read Joyce, the way you feel entertained when you watch a sitcom. That is not what it aims for. But almost no art work that is good is intentionally incomprehensible, it's just that people who are born into internet and 300 TV stations usually have a very short attention span and they expect to understand everything instantly because the market's strategy is to dumb everything down. (And your fairy-dust-competition is mostly based on that when it comes to entertainment.)


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posted November 20, 2013 01:59 PM

I'm reading literature about religious fundamentalism now and they make me feel entertained, or atleast intrigued.
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posted July 19, 2014 04:19 AM
Edited by artu at 04:43, 19 Jul 2014.

Okay, I'm watching the TV show Fargo and just like the movie (which is considered a masterpiece, to be frank, not my favorite Coen Brothers movie but it's still very good), it displays the messege "THIS IS A TRUE STORY. The events depicted in this film took place in Minnesota in 1987. (2006 in the show). At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred."
However, the chain of coincidences made me fishy, I checked and it's not a true story, actually, its not even an altered story. So basically, it's a post-modern technique, using the medium's traditions to increase the dramatization. I have just found out that the same goes for the original movie. Do you think that's okay or do you think it's a cheap shot presenting a fictional story with such a claim?

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posted July 19, 2014 12:29 PM

It adds to the immersion, people are more taken in by movies that transcend the barrier from fiction to fact. Normally I'd consider it a cheap tactic, but if used right I can see its benefit if used skillfully and for the right reason.
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posted July 19, 2014 12:29 PM

I think, that's a pretty complex question.
A movie is fictitious, except it's a documentary.
Faking authenticity is not limited to making a movie with a shaky handcam - dropping in a line like that, things are based on real events, is somewhat different, but what the hell: you often see something like: Madrid, Spain, July 23rd 1973, but in fact  it's just a shot of the town, what follows has been made in a studio or in LA, and the time is 2010.

So you can't believe things like that, just because they look authentic. Today, research is easy, so I think it's ok to make a claim like that.

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posted July 19, 2014 02:54 PM

Yes, but in the case of "Madrid, Spain, 1983" you know the reference is about a content which is clearly enacted. It only presents you with an information about the details of the scenery. The movie did not exist in 1983 and there's no way actual people on the streets of Madrid were acting for the cameras staying in the right angle. In this case however, and that's why I mention post-modernism, the fake authenticy is not operating by content but by the conventions of the medium that used to present genuine authenticity. It's not a very big deal, sure but I think it has a "cry wolf effect" in the long term rather than the desired, increased dramatization. If it's done too many times, the "true story" messeges will start to mean nothing to the audiance, it will be just another thing to check from the internet.

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posted July 19, 2014 05:04 PM

I actually think, you can do this only ONCE. Fargo did it. Fargo the series as well, fine.
But a second time?

S ame with Blair Witch Project - no or not many copycats.

Or take Lovecraft. The last written message of a guy who may or may not have been deluded, telling of strange gods and dimensions ... too special a coup to be repeated often.

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posted July 19, 2014 05:54 PM

While trying to check out how many movies actually tried to pull that, I came by THIS HILAROUS page, completely beside the point but there is so much quality sarcasm and fun in here, I had to link it, just a few pearls:

Quote:
There are four types of the "real life" movie story lines.

Usually the most accurate is "Based on a true story". This means the plot goes along with the sequence of events that occurred. Example: Apollo 13

Next type is "Based on actual events". So you can assume "This stuff happened once, but it needed a better story to go along with it, so we added that" Example: Remember the Titans

Then we get a little further away with "Inspired by a true story". Now this gets a bit complicated. This story happened and they weren't quite satisfied so they made a parallel story, with different characters and different events, there are lots of deviations, but it's somehow like the original story. Example: Dreamer (that horse movie with Dakota Fanning and Kris Kristofferson)

Then there's the worst of them all: "Inspired by actual events". Something happened once, now I have an idea for a movie! Example: EVERY HORROR MOVIE EVER THAT CLAIMS TO BE BASED ON A TRUE STORY.


- 'The Sound of Music'. Johannes von Trapp, the youngest of the children saw the play (which the movie is based on) when it was first staged and said it was basically nothing like their life.
- Especially the movie version where they travel over the mountain to escape. THAT MOUNTAIN BORDERS GERMANY

- Open Water: everything after the first 10 minutes is extrapolated from 2 people disappearing while scuba diving and their camera being found in a shark.
- They probably fed their camera to a shark and then swam to Hawaii. Now they run their own little booze shack on the coast. They're thinking of getting married. Life couldn't be better for them right now.

- After watching Paranormal Activity, my sister in law said that it was a true story and based on an actual event; To which I go to the menu and show her the alternate ending telling her, "True stories don't have alternate endings."

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posted October 23, 2014 02:42 PM

Symmetry, fractals and Bach

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posted October 23, 2014 02:54 PM

Fascinating.

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