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hobo2
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posted July 19, 2012 09:28 PM |
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Again you miss the point of the contest. The traits apply specifically to the god in question. The divine eagerness can be reflected upon his adherents, but it needs to be seen as parts of gods character.
Ah, fair enough. I don't actually care very much about the personality traits of the gods, because it quite literally does not matter at all within the context of the Heroes game. It is the personality traits of the actual characters with actual speaking parts that actually matter. Whether a god is eager and hasty or trepidatious and slow makes essentially no difference at all, because they had arbitrary thousands or millions of years to do whatever it is that they did. The number of discrete actions they have taken that are reflected at all in the plot are going to be such a vanishingly tiny subset of whatever it is that they did as an immortal divine being over the fullness of time that it's essentially impossible to distinguish a god who had a hand's-off or meddlesome approach.
As such, I regard pretty much all of the traits you have written up there as essentially meaningless for purposes of making a faction. I mean, the Temple and the Celestials obviously tied in extremely heavily to their religion, but for a faction whose religion is only "very important" like the Haven, it's hard to see how it makes any difference. What "personality traits" does Elrath have? Elrath being a Light god means that Elrathian priestesses have a Light attack. And that's pretty much it. For factions like Sanctuary it makes even less difference - Shalassa is a Water Goddess and her priestesses shoot lightning bolts and provide Earth-style healing. The Shark Warriors aren't even made by Shalassa, they're just aquatic because a group of atheists happened to breed them from fish.
By these standards we have this Nurturing Love God of Aether and then we have a completely irrelevant edict to have some Adaptable Dwarves. But the only actual connection between these two is that the latter happens to worship the former. They could just do that because he happens to be the god who has the best beer and as Dwarves they really care about their beer. And as there are no priest or angelic units in Dwarfia, the fact of the Aether God worship is essentially irrelevant. It's a tiny footnote in the backstory of some of the Dwarf heroes. Such and such a hero will note that they grew up in a Monastery of XXX, where XXX is the Aether God. Only two of the traits actually mean anything to a faction that is not especially devout: the race and the race descriptor.
So yeah, I don't think we see eye to eye. I cede defeat in the challenge.
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gvozdengrom
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posted July 20, 2012 07:59 PM |
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Well, that was that. How about you two? Now you have an example of how this particular combination might work, does your inspiration flare up, or do you think this round will be a dud as well?
BTW - No need to get slapped gnomes, the idea actually had a lot of merit in the situation - goddess of fire in lieu of god of forge makes a lot of sense. too bad hobo ragequit.
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gnomes2169
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posted July 20, 2012 08:03 PM |
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I refuse to make a dwarven faction 
I'm a bit distracted from faction making at the moment. Maybe layer... but I'll pop in and bother you every once in a while! Be warned!
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Yeah in the 18th century, two inventions suggested a method of measurement. One won and the other stayed in America.
-Ghost destroying Fred
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Jiriki9
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posted July 21, 2012 05:49 PM |
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I won't find time this week, but my pc has allready been delivered and I may have internet at home in about 10 days. THan I'd have more capacity for this!
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gvozdengrom
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posted July 21, 2012 11:33 PM |
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Soo, dud.
Sure, I'll post a new combination on 30th. That ok with everyone?
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hobo2
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posted July 22, 2012 07:04 AM |
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Soo, dud.
Sure, I'll post a new combination on 30th. That ok with everyone?
The last several have been a dud, and I think that should tell you something. What it tells me is that you made the contest way too focused on Religion. That let some people do some pretty neat factions that were extremely religious (the Temple and the Celestials are the religion), but you can't really do anything else within the parameters of the contest. You're never going to be able to make a satisfactory Academy, because religion is a tertiary issue for them.
The contest parameters are literally 75% God, 25% Everything Else. That is good if you're making a faction that is 75% or more religion (like the Temple and the Celestials), but not much to go on if you're doing anything else. Now that the religious factions are complete (except possibly for an Inferno), the contest is basically dead.
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gvozdengrom
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posted July 22, 2012 07:11 AM |
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Haven't you ragequit?
If you do not wish to contribute, or compete please, do not troll.
I have promised that I will see this contest through, and I intend to do that. And, even if I did not, the three rounds that did end satisfactory are reason enough for me to carry on.
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gnomes2169
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posted July 22, 2012 07:11 AM |
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Actually, the contest could be very much alive. You have to make and describe a god of a people, yes, but it never says that the people have to be faithful in any way shape or form to their god. For instance, the Temple could use their God/ Goddess as a shield for unspeakable acts of evil that their God/ Goddess would forbid and the Celestials could have worshiped a dead god and since strayed from that path, wandering at random doing what they will.
Oh, and on that point, nothing says that the god has to still be alive either. You would, in that case, just be describing what the God did and what values the god tried to instill in his people. The Gods aspect itself is more just one face of a multi-sided die.
And this last one was more a dud because one of the entries was, "Agrarian Undead" or other incredibly difficult combinations than anything else... and me just being lazy.
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hobo2
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posted July 22, 2012 07:39 AM |
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And this last one was more a dud because one of the entries was, "Agrarian Undead" or other incredibly difficult combinations than anything else... and me just being lazy.
Agrarian Undead is not difficult at all. Death is called "The Reaper", which is an agricultural position. Skeletons running around with scythes and flails is hardly revolutionary. It really is the whole part where the faction itself (which is 90%+ of the faction) is only 25% of the prompts.
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gnomes2169
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posted July 22, 2012 07:57 AM |
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Agrarian means that their entire lifestyle centers on farming and crops, dude.
Undead sort of don't eat crops.
Well... I gues you could make them vegetarian... but that would just be... wrong...
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hobo2
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posted July 22, 2012 08:55 AM |
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Agrarian means that their entire lifestyle centers on farming and crops, dude.
Undead sort of don't eat crops.
Well... I gues you could make them vegetarian... but that would just be... wrong...
Sure. What are the original zombies for?
Answer: working sugar plantations. Undead are for a source of cheap labor that doesn't complain. Like peasants, but more so. What else are you going to do with them than put them to work in the fields?
Agrarian Undead are like the medieval landlord's wet dream: they fumble around in the soil and bring back bushels of wheat and stuff - and then they don't eat it. It's awesome. If you were a medieval noble and had the option to replace all your tenants with zombie laborers, you'd totally do that. And you'd have them work in the fields all day.
So who ever is on top of the Undead faction has a huge surplus of agricultural products. And they trade those to other nations for whatever else they want or need (metal, manufactured goods, virgins, jewelry, whatever). And when the army goes to war, they round up a bunch of agricultural workers and send them into battle. So you have Skeletons with Scythes, zombies with machetes, maybe even mummies with crooks or flails. And your top end is probably human necromancers who are "fat and lazy" rather than "gaunt and gothic".
Undead agricultural workers isn't some random generator failure of an impossible dream - it's the original zombie story.
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Jiriki9
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posted July 22, 2012 02:53 PM |
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Agrarian means that their entire lifestyle centers on farming and crops, dude.
Undead sort of don't eat crops.
Well... I gues you could make them vegetarian... but that would just be... wrong...
Sure. What are the original zombies for?
Answer: working sugar plantations. Undead are for a source of cheap labor that doesn't complain. Like peasants, but more so. What else are you going to do with them than put them to work in the fields?
Agrarian Undead are like the medieval landlord's wet dream: they fumble around in the soil and bring back bushels of wheat and stuff - and then they don't eat it. It's awesome. If you were a medieval noble and had the option to replace all your tenants with zombie laborers, you'd totally do that. And you'd have them work in the fields all day.
So who ever is on top of the Undead faction has a huge surplus of agricultural products. And they trade those to other nations for whatever else they want or need (metal, manufactured goods, virgins, jewelry, whatever). And when the army goes to war, they round up a bunch of agricultural workers and send them into battle. So you have Skeletons with Scythes, zombies with machetes, maybe even mummies with crooks or flails. And your top end is probably human necromancers who are "fat and lazy" rather than "gaunt and gothic".
Undead agricultural workers isn't some random generator failure of an impossible dream - it's the original zombie story.
 I'd love to see that faction.
...As mentioned, I did not participate in most of the last rounds, because I did not have the time, thus I think this will be more frequented by me from the next round on.
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LizardWarrior
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posted July 22, 2012 03:10 PM |
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This contest sounds fun.Can I join?
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Jiriki9
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posted July 22, 2012 04:09 PM |
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gvozdengrom
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posted July 22, 2012 04:46 PM |
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Everyone is always welcome 
The more the merrier.
I might get a bit draconian on upholding the rules, and be a bit of a jerk with round time constraints, but it is all in good fun.
Quick update - I can promise relatively easy combination for the upcoming round.
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gnomes2169
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posted July 23, 2012 05:26 PM |
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Woohoo! I'll see if inspiration strikes this time. 
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Jiriki9
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posted July 24, 2012 11:45 AM |
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Easy is fine 
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LizardWarrior
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posted July 25, 2012 12:12 PM |
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When it's the next round?On 30?
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gvozdengrom
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posted July 25, 2012 01:57 PM |
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Yep next round will begin on 30th and should last 11 days to two weeks.
But that is only as a courtesy to jriki for being such a good sport. The combination has already been drawn and can be deployed at any time
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LizardWarrior
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posted July 25, 2012 02:42 PM |
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Personally I would like to get it earlier and with extended deadline(so it's still the same deadline if it starts on 30),but it's ok anyway.
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