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Thread: HoMM: Creatures Evolution [ This thread is 2 pages long: (1) 2 ]
DarkLord
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posted June 30, 2012 10:10 AM
Edited by DarkLord at 18:14, 30 Jun 2012.

HoMM: Creatures Evolution

 HEROES OF MIGHT AND MAGIC CREATURES EVOLUTION





 Knight Knight Castle Haven / Life Haven Haven












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PEASANT




ARCHER




PIKEMAN




SWORDSMAN




CAVALIER




CRUSADER




GRIFFIN




MONK




ANGEL




SQUIRE




BALLISTA




CATAPULT




VESTAL




RADIANT GLORY









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 Sorceress Sorceress Rampart Preserve / Nature Sylvan














SPRITE




HUNTER




DRUID




UNICORN

 


PHOENIX




PEGASUS




TREANT




GREEN DRAGON




WHITE TIGER




FAERIE DRAGON




LEPRECHAUN




SATYR




WASPWORT




MANTIS




GARGANTUAN




BLADE DANCER







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 Barbarian Barbarian Stronghold Stronghold / Might Stronghold Stronghold












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GOBLIN




MAULER




WOLF




OGRE




TROLL




CYCLOPS




THUNDERBIRD




BEHEMOTH




CENTAUR




HARPY




NOMAD




FRENZIED GNASHER




SHAMAN




SLAYER




WYVERN




DREAMWALKER




JAGUAR WARRIOR







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 Warlock Warlock Dungeon Asylum / Chaos Dungeon














MINOTAUR




HYDRA




BLACK DRAGON




TROGLODYTE




BEHOLDER




MEDUSA




MANTICORE




ASSASSIN




MEGADRAGON




BLOOD MAIDEN




DARK RAIDER




SHADOW WITCH







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 Wizard Tower Academy / Order Academy












HALFLING




BOAR




GOLEM




MAGE




TITAN




GREMLIN




GARGOYLE




DJINN




DRAGON GOLEM




SORCERESS




RAKSHASA







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 Necromancer Necropolis Necropolis / Death Necropolis - Necropolis










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SKELETON




ZOMBIE




MUMMY




VAMPIRE




LICH




BONE DRAGON




GHOST




DEATH KNIGHT




WRAITH




GHOUL




LAMASU




FATE SPINNER







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 Inferno Inferno - Inferno






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IMP



MAGOG




CERBERUS




HORNED DEMON




PIT LORD




EFREET




DEVIL




VENOM SPAWN




SUCCUBUS




NIGHTMARE




MANIAC




TORMENTOR




BREEDER




JUGGERNAUT







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Fortress (H3)






GNOLL




LIZARDMAN




DRAGON FLY




BASILISK




GORGON







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Fortress (H5)






DEFENDER





SPEARWIELDER




BEAR RIDER




BERSERKER




RUNE PRIEST




THANE




FIRE DRAGON







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 Sanctuary


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SHARK GUARD




CORAL PRIESTESS




KAPPA




SPRING SPIRIT




SNOW MAIDEN




KENSHI




KIRIN







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 Conflux + Neutral






AIR ELEMENTAL




EARTH ELEMENTAL




FIRE ELEMENTAL




WATER ELEMENTAL




MAGIC ELEMENTAL




RUST DRAGON




CRYSTAL DRAGON




AZURE DRAGON




PIRATE




MERMAID




SEA MONSTER




ICE DEMON




LIGHT ELEMENTAL




DARKNESS ELEMENTAL






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Galileo
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posted June 30, 2012 03:19 PM

Whoa! Nice job! The only mistake I saw were H1/2 gargoyles. You reverted those two, if I remember correctly. But that's just a minor thing for something like this!
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DarkLord
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posted June 30, 2012 06:15 PM

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Whoa! Nice job! The only mistake I saw were H1/2 gargoyles. You reverted those two, if I remember correctly. But that's just a minor thing for something like this!


thanks for the note!!
i fixed it !!!

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Asheron
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posted June 30, 2012 07:51 PM

Interesting thread, it's somehow nice to see all those pixels evolve into 3D models with time passing by
But just one comment, isn't maniac "evolution" of imps/familiars? They look like that to me at least.
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Protolisk
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posted June 30, 2012 08:11 PM

Well, by look, I suppose it is the maniac, but if it's by function, I thought imps became the Breeders...
Also, aren't the dream-walkers the shaman evolution, and the jaguar evolution of slayers? That's how I saw them...

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Asheron
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posted June 30, 2012 09:55 PM
Edited by Asheron at 21:56, 30 Jun 2012.

My knowledge of HoMM6 is rather limited, only played half of one game, but I do remember breeders doing something like mana steal. I guess it could fit.
If we ignore appearance, Blood Maidens from H5 are 100% Harpies. They were in "Dungeon", regular had attack and return and upgrade got no retaliation. Harpies
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Protolisk
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posted June 30, 2012 10:11 PM

True that. Now, back to looks, would you think the Juggernaut would be the next form of the Horned demons? They just look like bigger, albeit slightly rockier, horned grunts and overseers... Also, isn't a Ghoul the zombie? At least, I thought they were. You know how the zombies of today are usually the fast runners instead of the sluggish zombies of old, I thought that's what the ghouls represented.

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Dave_Jame
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posted July 01, 2012 03:49 AM

Well Breeder technicaly shoots imps.. so he should be  Imho part of the Imp evolution. As for Zombies and Ghouls.. Zombie is a Zombie and Ghoul is a Ghoul. Shure one replaced the other in Heres VI, But they hav different Abilities and Function in the army. The Ghoul is fast agressiv and has abilities that help him survive. The Zombie is Slow, defensive and has abilities to help him weaken the enemy.
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Avonu
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posted July 01, 2012 04:16 AM
Edited by Avonu at 04:26, 01 Jul 2012.

H1 castles have wrong names.

H1 has: Farm Castle (Knight), Plains Caslte (Barbarian), Forest Castle (Sorceress) and Mountain Castle (Warlock).

Also Elf not Hunter, Orc not Mauler, Evil Eye not Beholder, Rogue not Assassin and Dwarf not Defender.

And Dreamwalker is a Shaman. I am not sure about Ogre Magi from H3-4 but they could be categorize as shamans too.

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adriancat
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posted July 01, 2012 04:24 AM

@DarkLord : You should put the Heroes 6 town screens here too on 12th July.

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War-overlord
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posted July 01, 2012 05:05 AM

I have a few things to say. And I will group them per faction.
Also I think Creatures should be able to be part of multiple lines to propperly show their evolution.
Haven:
As far as the whole Pikeman/Swordsman/Crusader discussion goes, I don't agree, but I can live with it like this.
If you are going to put the Catapult and the Ballista in there, you should also give us their incarnations as War-Machines.

Sylvan:
I still say that the H2 Green Dragon should ALSO be part of the Green Dragon line.

Stronghold:
The Dreamwalker and the Jaguar Warrior should be part of the Shaman and Slayer lines respectively.
The Ogre Mage could also be seen as part of the Shaman line, as could the normal Orges of the Slayer line. As wel being a seperate line of their own.

Dungeon:
The Harpies should also be part of the Blood Maiden line.

Academy:
The Boar Rider is in a very different line than the Boar, it should be in the Orc/Goblin line if anything. (never knew which it was) This being a different case then the Wolf was.

Necropolis:
The H3 Wights and Wraiths should also be part of the Wraith line.

Inferno:
Gogs and Magogs are also part of the Succubus line.
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DarkLord
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posted July 01, 2012 05:10 AM

@ Asheron
Have to disagree with you..
Maniacs and Imps are different creatures, and they have different abilities (Imps mana steal)
Plus they do have different visual appearance
For Blood Maidens and Harpies they both do have a "strike and return ability"
but, they are different race
and one of them is flyer, the other is not

@ Dave Jame
Necromancer hero rises skeletons, but it can not be part of skeleton evolution..
So Breeder summons (or gives birth, whatsoever) Imps, but i dont think it should be part of the Imp evolution because of that

@ Avonu
I can not name Hunter an Elf, and Mauler an Orc, because they both have a entire faction dedicated to them.. So i will have to name Orc half of Stronghold faction, as well as Elves for Sylvan respectively. (same applies for Dwarfs)
As for Beholder, it is the basic unit in H3, while Evil Eye is the upgrade name
Can agree with you only on Rogue/Bandit/Scout/Assassin

@ Protolisk
It is the abilities of the creatures u mentioned
that made me put them in separate poll rather than link them in evolution

@ Adriancat
Definitely i will !
i actually put a * next to the place where H6 townscreens should be
didnt want to put the placeholders
will wait for release of the final version




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Avonu
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posted July 01, 2012 06:46 AM

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@ Avonu
As for Beholder, it is the basic unit in H3, while Evil Eye is the upgrade name


You need to play some Might and Magic games, so you will understood why it is Evil Eye and not Beholder.
But anyway - in HIV you have only Evil Eye.

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Dave_Jame
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posted July 01, 2012 08:55 AM

I think ou are making 2 basic mistakes DarkLord

1: You are creating everthing to linear, Like for example the Human Fighter evolution discused in the Old topic.
For example Heroes I had only one dragon, so theoreticaly all dragons, (and even the bone ones) are the evolution from this one.
2: You are limited by putting the Creatures into factions. For example you list the classical Naga into canctuary, Which is more then odd for me to see. And I am not talking about creatures like Centaurs, Gargoyls or Gryphins who were in 3 different factions.
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KingImp
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posted July 01, 2012 12:11 PM
Edited by KingImp at 12:16, 01 Jul 2012.

First off, great job! I love seeing the evolution of some of these units.

One error though that I see. Unless you are comparing it to the Breeder, the Venom Spawn, which you have listed in the Inferno section really belongs to Necro.

By the way, since H6 is a prequel to H5, I wonder how (if at all) they are going to explain how the Cerberi goes from 2 heads to 3.

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nerevar
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posted July 01, 2012 12:22 PM

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One error though that I see. Unless you are comparing it to the Breeder, the Venom Spawn, which you have listed in the Inferno section really belongs to Necro.

Why? Because it was in the HoMM IV Necropolis? If you look at the creatues in that town, every level gives us one creature from the necro line and one from the inferno one (since those were combinded) - and the VS counterpart is the Vampire (whose faction allegiance is clear). Also, all Necro creatures are undead - a trait the VS doesn't have.

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Avonu
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posted July 01, 2012 12:30 PM

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By the way, since H6 is a prequel to H5, I wonder how (if at all) they are going to explain how the Cerberi goes from 2 heads to 3.



You really should read some interviews from the past:

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How will you explain that some creatures in H6 will not appear in H5 (which is in the future) - for example the Juggernauts?

Sheogh is THE Chaos and it has 1000 faces that we're slowly discovering. A creature can then be in H5 but not in H6 and vice and versa, but the creature is still existing in the world of Ashan. Over time, some creatures can also evolve.

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julle
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posted July 01, 2012 12:30 PM

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By the way, since H6 is a prequel to H5, I wonder how (if at all) they are going to explain how the Cerberi goes from 2 heads to 3.



Evolution?

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KingImp
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posted July 01, 2012 12:44 PM

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One error though that I see. Unless you are comparing it to the Breeder, the Venom Spawn, which you have listed in the Inferno section really belongs to Necro.

Why? Because it was in the HoMM IV Necropolis? If you look at the creatues in that town, every level gives us one creature from the necro line and one from the inferno one (since those were combinded) - and the VS counterpart is the Vampire (whose faction allegiance is clear). Also, all Necro creatures are undead - a trait the VS doesn't have.


Fair enough. I didn't think of it in that context.

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Avirosb
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posted July 02, 2012 04:19 AM

How is the corall priestess not in the medusa evolution?
C'mon, Snake Hair? Eye of the Medusa...?

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