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DarkLord
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posted June 30, 2012 10:10 AM |
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Edited by DarkLord at 18:14, 30 Jun 2012.
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HoMM: Creatures Evolution
 HEROES OF MIGHT AND MAGIC CREATURES EVOLUTION
 Knight – Knight – Castle – Haven / Life – Haven – Haven
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PEASANT
      
ARCHER
          
PIKEMAN
       
SWORDSMAN
       
CAVALIER
          
CRUSADER
   
GRIFFIN
         
MONK
     
ANGEL
       
SQUIRE
BALLISTA
CATAPULT
VESTAL
 
RADIANT GLORY
 
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 Sorceress – Sorceress – Rampart – Preserve / Nature – Sylvan
SPRITE
       
HUNTER
         
DRUID
     
UNICORN
       
PHOENIX
      
PEGASUS
 
TREANT
    
GREEN DRAGON
    
WHITE TIGER
FAERIE DRAGON
 
LEPRECHAUN
SATYR
WASPWORT
MANTIS
GARGANTUAN
BLADE DANCER
  
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 Barbarian – Barbarian – Stronghold – Stronghold / Might – Stronghold – Stronghold
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GOBLIN
         
MAULER
          
WOLF
       
OGRE
     
TROLL
    
CYCLOPS
         
THUNDERBIRD
   
BEHEMOTH
  
CENTAUR
         
HARPY
    
NOMAD
   
FRENZIED GNASHER
SHAMAN
  
SLAYER
  
WYVERN
    
DREAMWALKER
 
JAGUAR WARRIOR
 
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 Warlock – Warlock – Dungeon – Asylum / Chaos – Dungeon
MINOTAUR
        
HYDRA
       
BLACK DRAGON
         
TROGLODYTE
  
BEHOLDER
  
MEDUSA
   
MANTICORE
  
ASSASSIN
      
MEGADRAGON
BLOOD MAIDEN
  
DARK RAIDER
  
SHADOW WITCH
  
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 Wizard – Tower – Academy / Order – Academy
HALFLING
  
BOAR
 
GOLEM
         
MAGE
        
TITAN
       
GREMLIN
    
GARGOYLE
       
DJINN
       
DRAGON GOLEM
SORCERESS
RAKSHASA
  
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 Necromancer – Necropolis – Necropolis / Death – Necropolis - Necropolis
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SKELETON
        
ZOMBIE
       
MUMMY
    
VAMPIRE
         
LICH
        
BONE DRAGON
      
GHOST
         
DEATH KNIGHT
   
WRAITH
  
GHOUL
 
LAMASU
 
FATE SPINNER
 
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 Inferno – Inferno - Inferno
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IMP
     
MAGOG
 
CERBERUS
       
HORNED DEMON
    
PIT LORD
      
EFREET
  
DEVIL
     
VENOM SPAWN
SUCCUBUS
    
NIGHTMARE
   
MANIAC
 
TORMENTOR
 
BREEDER
 
JUGGERNAUT
 
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 Fortress (H3)
GNOLL
 
LIZARDMAN
 
DRAGON FLY
 
BASILISK
 
GORGON
 
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 Fortress (H5)
DEFENDER
        
SPEARWIELDER
  
BEAR RIDER
  
BERSERKER
   
RUNE PRIEST
  
THANE
  
FIRE DRAGON
  
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 Sanctuary
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SHARK GUARD
 
CORAL PRIESTESS
 
KAPPA
 
SPRING SPIRIT
 
SNOW MAIDEN
 
KENSHI
    
KIRIN
 
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 Conflux + Neutral
AIR ELEMENTAL
     
EARTH ELEMENTAL
     
FIRE ELEMENTAL
     
WATER ELEMENTAL
     
MAGIC ELEMENTAL
 
RUST DRAGON
CRYSTAL DRAGON
AZURE DRAGON
PIRATE
MERMAID
 
SEA MONSTER
ICE DEMON
LIGHT ELEMENTAL
DARKNESS ELEMENTAL
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Galileo
Known Hero
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posted June 30, 2012 03:19 PM |
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Whoa! Nice job!   The only mistake I saw were H1/2 gargoyles. You reverted those two, if I remember correctly. But that's just a minor thing for something like this!
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DarkLord
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posted June 30, 2012 06:15 PM |
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Whoa! Nice job! The only mistake I saw were H1/2 gargoyles. You reverted those two, if I remember correctly. But that's just a minor thing for something like this!
thanks for the note!!
i fixed it !!! 
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Asheron
Famous Hero
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posted June 30, 2012 07:51 PM |
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Interesting thread, it's somehow nice to see all those pixels evolve into 3D models with time passing by
But just one comment, isn't maniac "evolution" of imps/familiars? They look like that to me at least.
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Protolisk
Hired Hero
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posted June 30, 2012 08:11 PM |
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Well, by look, I suppose it is the maniac, but if it's by function, I thought imps became the Breeders...
Also, aren't the dream-walkers the shaman evolution, and the jaguar evolution of slayers? That's how I saw them...
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Asheron
Famous Hero
Ancient
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posted June 30, 2012 09:55 PM |
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Edited by Asheron at 21:56, 30 Jun 2012.
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My knowledge of HoMM6 is rather limited, only played half of one game, but I do remember breeders doing something like mana steal. I guess it could fit.
If we ignore appearance, Blood Maidens from H5 are 100% Harpies. They were in "Dungeon", regular had attack and return and upgrade got no retaliation. Harpies 
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Protolisk
Hired Hero
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posted June 30, 2012 10:11 PM |
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True that. Now, back to looks, would you think the Juggernaut would be the next form of the Horned demons? They just look like bigger, albeit slightly rockier, horned grunts and overseers... Also, isn't a Ghoul the zombie? At least, I thought they were. You know how the zombies of today are usually the fast runners instead of the sluggish zombies of old, I thought that's what the ghouls represented.
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Dave_Jame 
Promising
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posted July 01, 2012 03:49 AM |
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Well Breeder technicaly shoots imps.. so he should be Imho part of the Imp evolution. As for Zombies and Ghouls.. Zombie is a Zombie and Ghoul is a Ghoul. Shure one replaced the other in Heres VI, But they hav different Abilities and Function in the army. The Ghoul is fast agressiv and has abilities that help him survive. The Zombie is Slow, defensive and has abilities to help him weaken the enemy.
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Avonu
Famous Hero
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posted July 01, 2012 04:16 AM |
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Edited by Avonu at 04:26, 01 Jul 2012.
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H1 castles have wrong names.
H1 has: Farm Castle (Knight), Plains Caslte (Barbarian), Forest Castle (Sorceress) and Mountain Castle (Warlock).
Also Elf not Hunter, Orc not Mauler, Evil Eye not Beholder, Rogue not Assassin and Dwarf not Defender.
And Dreamwalker is a Shaman. I am not sure about Ogre Magi from H3-4 but they could be categorize as shamans too.
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adriancat
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Protector Of The Peace
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posted July 01, 2012 04:24 AM |
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@DarkLord : You should put the Heroes 6 town screens here too on 12th July.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted July 01, 2012 05:05 AM |
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I have a few things to say. And I will group them per faction.
Also I think Creatures should be able to be part of multiple lines to propperly show their evolution.
Haven:
As far as the whole Pikeman/Swordsman/Crusader discussion goes, I don't agree, but I can live with it like this.
If you are going to put the Catapult and the Ballista in there, you should also give us their incarnations as War-Machines.
Sylvan:
I still say that the H2 Green Dragon should ALSO be part of the Green Dragon line.
Stronghold:
The Dreamwalker and the Jaguar Warrior should be part of the Shaman and Slayer lines respectively.
The Ogre Mage could also be seen as part of the Shaman line, as could the normal Orges of the Slayer line. As wel being a seperate line of their own.
Dungeon:
The Harpies should also be part of the Blood Maiden line.
Academy:
The Boar Rider is in a very different line than the Boar, it should be in the Orc/Goblin line if anything. (never knew which it was) This being a different case then the Wolf was.
Necropolis:
The H3 Wights and Wraiths should also be part of the Wraith line.
Inferno:
Gogs and Magogs are also part of the Succubus line.
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DarkLord
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posted July 01, 2012 05:10 AM |
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@ Asheron
Have to disagree with you..
Maniacs and Imps are different creatures, and they have different abilities (Imps mana steal)
Plus they do have different visual appearance
For Blood Maidens and Harpies they both do have a "strike and return ability"
but, they are different race
and one of them is flyer, the other is not
@ Dave Jame
Necromancer hero rises skeletons, but it can not be part of skeleton evolution..
So Breeder summons (or gives birth, whatsoever) Imps, but i dont think it should be part of the Imp evolution because of that
@ Avonu
I can not name Hunter an Elf, and Mauler an Orc, because they both have a entire faction dedicated to them.. So i will have to name Orc half of Stronghold faction, as well as Elves for Sylvan respectively. (same applies for Dwarfs)
As for Beholder, it is the basic unit in H3, while Evil Eye is the upgrade name
Can agree with you only on Rogue/Bandit/Scout/Assassin
@ Protolisk
It is the abilities of the creatures u mentioned
that made me put them in separate poll rather than link them in evolution
@ Adriancat
Definitely i will !
i actually put a * next to the place where H6 townscreens should be
didnt want to put the placeholders
will wait for release of the final version
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Avonu
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posted July 01, 2012 06:46 AM |
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@ Avonu
As for Beholder, it is the basic unit in H3, while Evil Eye is the upgrade name
You need to play some Might and Magic games, so you will understood why it is Evil Eye and not Beholder. 
But anyway - in HIV you have only Evil Eye.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
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posted July 01, 2012 08:55 AM |
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I think ou are making 2 basic mistakes DarkLord
1: You are creating everthing to linear, Like for example the Human Fighter evolution discused in the Old topic.
For example Heroes I had only one dragon, so theoreticaly all dragons, (and even the bone ones) are the evolution from this one.
2: You are limited by putting the Creatures into factions. For example you list the classical Naga into canctuary, Which is more then odd for me to see. And I am not talking about creatures like Centaurs, Gargoyls or Gryphins who were in 3 different factions.
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We see, we look, we gather, we
store, we teach. We are many,
and you can be one of us.
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KingImp
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posted July 01, 2012 12:11 PM |
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Edited by KingImp at 12:16, 01 Jul 2012.
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First off, great job! I love seeing the evolution of some of these units.
One error though that I see. Unless you are comparing it to the Breeder, the Venom Spawn, which you have listed in the Inferno section really belongs to Necro.
By the way, since H6 is a prequel to H5, I wonder how (if at all) they are going to explain how the Cerberi goes from 2 heads to 3.
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nerevar
Hired Hero
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posted July 01, 2012 12:22 PM |
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One error though that I see. Unless you are comparing it to the Breeder, the Venom Spawn, which you have listed in the Inferno section really belongs to Necro.
Why? Because it was in the HoMM IV Necropolis? If you look at the creatues in that town, every level gives us one creature from the necro line and one from the inferno one (since those were combinded) - and the VS counterpart is the Vampire (whose faction allegiance is clear). Also, all Necro creatures are undead - a trait the VS doesn't have.
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Avonu
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posted July 01, 2012 12:30 PM |
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By the way, since H6 is a prequel to H5, I wonder how (if at all) they are going to explain how the Cerberi goes from 2 heads to 3.
You really should read some interviews from the past:
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How will you explain that some creatures in H6 will not appear in H5 (which is in the future) - for example the Juggernauts?
Sheogh is THE Chaos and it has 1000 faces that we're slowly discovering. A creature can then be in H5 but not in H6 and vice and versa, but the creature is still existing in the world of Ashan. Over time, some creatures can also evolve.
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julle
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posted July 01, 2012 12:30 PM |
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By the way, since H6 is a prequel to H5, I wonder how (if at all) they are going to explain how the Cerberi goes from 2 heads to 3.
Evolution?
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KingImp
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posted July 01, 2012 12:44 PM |
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One error though that I see. Unless you are comparing it to the Breeder, the Venom Spawn, which you have listed in the Inferno section really belongs to Necro.
Why? Because it was in the HoMM IV Necropolis? If you look at the creatues in that town, every level gives us one creature from the necro line and one from the inferno one (since those were combinded) - and the VS counterpart is the Vampire (whose faction allegiance is clear). Also, all Necro creatures are undead - a trait the VS doesn't have.
Fair enough. I didn't think of it in that context.
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Avirosb
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posted July 02, 2012 04:19 AM |
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How is the corall priestess not in the medusa evolution?
C'mon, Snake Hair? Eye of the Medusa...?
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