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samir
Hired Hero
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posted October 11, 2012 07:49 PM |
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Edited by samir at 19:53, 11 Oct 2012.
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You should look at their build, then come back in this thread and confess i'm right.
 
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 11, 2012 07:54 PM |
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She looks just like my grandma.
Much better than those warcraft wannabees they used in homm6.
i need the name of her doctor because this creature has smooth skin, and the human parts seem youthful.
still the lore in heroes VI implies that the harpies where actually created for a "sexy" use after all. again not having played warcrat, i find the design of heroes VI top notch for the reasons i explained earlier. "picture perfect" issue applies everywhere nowadays, and it need another thread for discussion. and all the female units make sense given their backround.
archers need less clothing to aim.
underwater priestesses don't need clothes actually,
temptresses need to tempt in more than one way,
"playthings" were created for *that* reason so they will have desirable feats,
and i sincerely don't know what else you feel is sexy.
if there was a gay guy wouldn't be too sexualized that the orcs have muscles and wear tiny skirts? oh wait, they are warriors so do the female troops here. they are warriors.
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samir
Hired Hero
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posted October 11, 2012 07:57 PM |
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Edited by samir at 19:58, 11 Oct 2012.
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Its a war game, why there should be sexy women at all? Appart for yuki onna and succubus, which I find actually really sense making, the others are really not needed, especially the dark elves and sexy female mages and monks.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 11, 2012 08:01 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 20:02, 11 Oct 2012.
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Its a war game, why there should be sexy women at all? Appart for yuki onna and succubus, which I find actually really sense making, the others are really not needed, especially the dark elves and sexy female mages and monks.
because women can fight too sexy or not women are equal to men nowadays....
and again we haven't seen the design for the dungeon yet, leave it alone. when it's out we can talk about it as much as you want!!
sisters are not sexy they are fully dressed. the face is picture perfect because of the thing i explained earlier. i cannot analyze all the female troops but i think all of them make sense and you are being overanalyzing and overreacting here:/
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gnomes2169
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
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posted October 11, 2012 08:02 PM |
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That, sir, is fan art. The Blizzard concept art is more like the original concept of the Harpy (crone face, beak-like nose, completely feathered, etc). But that doesn't matter so much, since the fan art/ H6 art are the norm for what a harpy looks like today. The idea of mortal, every-day old creatures being ugly has (for the most part) gone out the window. If you want a more purist game, then design one or stick to pre-h3 games (Which is where the tradition was started, they did not have the tech level to animate any better).
Also, though the old crone is the most common of the harpy legends, there are hundreds of Greek mythological takes that describe harpies as beautiful, young and fair women that are cursed with a sharp nose and wings where their arms are meant to be. If you want to go all "Original creature" here, you have to realize that even the oldest legends support a beautiful monster. 
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Yeah in the 18th century, two inventions suggested a method of measurement. One won and the other stayed in America.
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gnomes2169
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
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posted October 11, 2012 08:07 PM |
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Especially the dark elves...
This is actually part of dark elven lore for Ashan, their society is led by women and they are often more violent than the men. Why wouldn't they participate in war, if that's what they built their society to be geared towards? There is logic in here...
Also, elves are always supposed to be either beautiful or at least sexier than your average peasant. Mythology ftw.
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Yeah in the 18th century, two inventions suggested a method of measurement. One won and the other stayed in America.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 11, 2012 08:30 PM |
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@ Samir two questions: Why are you here? Why do you play/speak a/about a game you do not like? I can see you are the only person having a problem here.
@ChrisD1 Is it me, or are you confusing Harpies and Mermaids description. As I recall Mermaids were made as pets, and sexy trophies but Harpies were more aimed at scouting and postal services.
@ Avonu: You have a PM comming from me about the Ethric topic, it is not OK to talk about it here, but generaly, I do not see where I made that many wrongs as you hinted.
@ Storm-giant: That is his right. I wanted to know his motivations.
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I'm just a Mirror of your self.
We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
We are many, and you can be one of us.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted October 11, 2012 08:37 PM |
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@ Samir two questions: Why are you here? Why do you play/speak a/about a game you do not like? I can see you are the only person having a problem here.
Because this is a forum of discussion?
As long as he (or anyone) doesn't flame/rage too much, he should be free to express his/her opinion - not matter if positive, negative or neutral, IMO.
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Verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 11, 2012 08:50 PM |
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And yes, he does work for Ubisoft now. But read interviews with him. He is very critical of the new continuum. Just as he is of the old
I don't think that proves NWC had no guidelines or rules for what they did, unless Marzhin was part of NWC or in touch with it.
For all you know, they might have had a bigger lore bible than Erwin has today and we just never heard about it because it wasn't shoved in our face for marketing.
I mean, can anyone find a NWC design document from Heroes III or at least get a quote from them before you wildly claim they had no logic and just threw a bunch of creatures into factions.
I read from search that the old Heroes III dungeon was supposed to be a bunch of beastmen and corrupt mutants created by warlocks, which makes far more sense to me than something like the academy in Heroes V.
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@ Samir two questions: Why are you here? Two why do you play/speak a/about a game you do not like? I can see you are the only person having a problem here.
Sorry no offense guy but that is flawed. This is a fan forum for Heroes. That means every Heroes game. it doesn't mean paying lip service to Ubisoft should be the only channel of communication.
I don't think anybody should have to explain to you the basis behind giving negative feedback.
You are a Ubisoft fan who doesn't like other tastes or opinions, and I don't really like your tastes or opinions, but I wouldn't tell you to go away or shut up on that basis.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted October 11, 2012 08:56 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 21:03, 11 Oct 2012.
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1. How Troglodytes look in Heroes III is totally a design concept, they were meant to be a race that lives underground and thus are blind, and to serve as labor for Dungeon faction (used to dig tunnels mainly) and cannon fodder.
2. What is wrong with sexy units? I don't think that players want Venom Spawns all over. If so maybe it's better to play a Cthulhu game or something And not only male players are getting treated, female players also have something to look at so it's a win-win situation  Also I imagine all this rage if dark elf female units looked like Hagravens from Skyrim
3. I don't see why Harpies in Heroes VI are seen as a rip-off from Warcraft. Additionally there were so many harpy designs that it's hard to create a new design without it being a ripoff from something. Their design in Heroes 6 refers to the tribal theme of the Stronghold faction, which is based on native-American/Aztec civilizations. That is the designers choice and I think they did quite well in creating a consistent faction.
4. Heroes games were always chaotic with unit affinities. There were units which changed their affinity each time a new Heroes game was released. So I don't think that Heroes III Dungeon has an illogical unit line-up, like I said before, towns in most Heroes games are a sort of asylum for creatures with specific personalities/affinities, in this case units who like dark places maybe?
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 11, 2012 09:12 PM |
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Sorry no offense guy but that is flawed. This is a fan forum for Heroes. That means every Heroes game. it doesn't mean paying lip service to Ubisoft should be the only channel of communication.
I don't think anybody should have to explain to you the basis behind giving negative feedback.
You are a Ubisoft fan who doesn't like other tastes or opinions, and I don't really like your tastes or opinions, but I wouldn't tell you to go away or shut up on that basis.
Actually I'm a Might and Magic fan who just doesn't like peoples blind hate and ignorance to new things. I Do not care if the game was published by 3DO or Ubi. Or who made it. I see the pros and cons in most of them. But I do try to gather this informaton just to know it. On the other hand I aknowladge people who can justify their opinions. This Forum is rather well structured. It has a special set of topic for each Heroes game, But I can't see why he chose this topic to voice his personal dislikes. This topic is dedicated to Heroes VI Dungeon and the upcamming standalone game. Which very few is known about right now. I think the only thing that is 100% truth is the color purple. But rather then his personal image of the new faction he speaks about What is wrong. Not what is wrong with the faction, but wrong with the game, world, developer, publisher, etc. This is rather an inapropriet topic for such things to talk about. But he has the freedom to do so. Many people will talk to him back. Agreing with him or giving facts that somehow more or less negate his statements. But aswell as he has his freedom of speach, so do we. And I just want to know, why does he talks about the things he talks. I do not want to limit him in his speach, I want to know the background. We spoke how he dislikes Warcraft influence but I have the strong feeling he does not know that Heroes V took more from the original warhammer then from its spinnoff. I just have this feeling and I want to know if it is correct or not. Do I ask to much? Should I now go and be silent? You can ask me the same question I did ask him and I will give you the answer.
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I'm just a Mirror of your self.
We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
We are many, and you can be one of us.
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Endbringer
Adventuring Hero
Devil's Bane
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posted October 11, 2012 09:39 PM |
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Dave_Jame is right about this thread being about the new Dungeon Faction
So here what we can come up with so far:
What we are almost certain of:
Raelag's model will be used for the Might Hero
Cate's model will be used for the Magic Hero
There will probably be 2 or 3 Dark Elf units, mostly Core Creatures, but maybe 1 Elite.
Faceless will return as either Champion Creatures or Elite Creatures
What we can assume (mostly from the Compendium):
There will probably be Minotaurs. Most likely Elites, but not necessarily.
There will probably be Manticores as Elite Creatures.
There will probably be Beholder-like Shadow Lurkers as Core Creatures.
What we are still uncertain of:
Whether Black Dragons or Faceless will be the Champion Creature
Whether or not the devs will reuse the Darkness Elemental for an Elite Creature.
What the Dungeon Racial Ability will be
Whether or not Hydras or lizard riders will return from Heroes V
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blizzardboy
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Nerf Herder
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posted October 11, 2012 10:00 PM |
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Dragons are out, and I don't see why Faceless would be anything besides the Champion creature.
If dragons are ever reintroduced as a unit, it will probably be as some sort of single unit boss creature that you can utilize, similar to a Phoenix.
That's how I'd do it if I ran the show. You build a special high-end building that allows you to call a dragon companion into combat once per battle; dragon stats determined based on the hero.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 11, 2012 10:08 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 22:10, 11 Oct 2012.
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I think the hydras will return, at least as elite creatures (unless they become champions and downgrade the Faceless,
but I don't seen that happen because the Faceless are OC).
I mean, hydras was never extremely mobile creatures,
they were probably already inhabiting those caves before the dark elves moved in (anything about hydras in the compendium)?
My hypothesis:
Core
1. Designated female dark elf unit #1: Most likely assassin
2. Shadow Lurker
3. Minotaur
Elite
1. Manticore?
2. Designated female dark elf unit #2: Spellcaster
3. Hydra/Faceless
Champion
c. Hydra/Faceless
Black/Shadow/Purple Dragon will most likely become a boss creature.
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Endbringer
Adventuring Hero
Devil's Bane
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posted October 11, 2012 10:19 PM |
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I think the hydras will return, at least as elite creatures (unless they become champions and downgrade the Faceless, but I don't seen that happen because the Faceless are OC).
I mean, hydras was never extremely mobile creatures,
so they were probably already inhabiting those caves before the dark elves moved in (anything about hydras in the compendium)?
My hypothesis:
Core
1. Designated female unit #1: Most likely assassin
2. Shadow Lurker
3. Minotaur
Elite
1. Manticore?
2. Designated female unit #2: Spellcaster
3. Hydra/Faceless
Champion
c. Hydra/Faceless
Black/Shadow/Purple Dragon will most likely become a boss creature.
I hope they'll have a male Dark Elf
I rather liked the Heroes V Assassin
I haven't seen any mention of the Hydra in the Compendium, so that's why I say it's uncertain.
I also think that Faceless will be the Champion Units, but some disagree.
My hypothesis:
Core
Combat Dark Elf Male (Scout/Assassin)
Dark Elf Female Caster (Witch)
Shadow Lurker
Elite
Minotaur
Manticore
Darkness Elemental Copy (I know it's lame, but it's just what I'm assuming)
Champion
Faceless
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted October 11, 2012 10:27 PM |
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possible units???
lets see who can possibly make it from HoMM5..
ASSASSIN
Looks unlikely that they will be back in H6
probably "assassin" will become a Hero class
and their role as a shooter in dungeon
will be given to "Evil Eyes" aka Beholders
BLOOD MAIDEN
i am 100% sure they won't be in game
and i am extremely happy about it! yupeeee!!!
we already have Harpies in Heroes6, so there is
no place here for their "clon"
MINOTAUR
there is absolutely no fregggin way that
Minotaurs will skip Heroes 6!
i repeat myself! Nooooo Waaay!!!
they will be in game and they will be Elite tier!
DARK RIDER
Dinosaurs are extinct animals, same fate awaits DinoRiders
very unpopular creature in H5 lineup
happy to never see them again
HYDRA
well, hydra is iconic to HoMM series
(have to admit, even though i dislike them so much)
so i dont think dev's will be brave enough to ditch them
not sure though if they will be in lineup or neutrals
SHADOW MATRIARCH
due to specifics of Dark Elf society
females are the highest rank amongst the Dark Elves
this lives a quite high possibility to see them
as an elite creature for H6 Dungeon
p.s. dont forget Ubi's "love of having female units" in H6
BLACK DRAGON
and finally the ALLMIGHTY one!!!!
the question is what role will be given to them??
Neutral Boss or Champion?
both are quite possible..
i personally believe/hope they will be back as champions..
somehow less powerful are champions
while more powerful are bosses (like in H6 vanilla)
quite like it works for Angels/Celestials
p.s.
from compedium,,
we can say that Minotaurs , Evil eyes and Manticores
will have their place in lineup..
and who the HHH is this woman with a scorpion tale???
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 11, 2012 10:34 PM |
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That is actually her !Hair! If I see it correctly
When it comes to who will make it and who will not make it from the HV lineup.
I think the Hydra is are a goner. I like them but I just cant fit them into my image of the faction, Also Dark raiders should go.
I think the assasins will have some kind of a fusion with the blood maidens. It will be an assasin like creature but with a Blood maiden look.
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I'm just a Mirror of your self.
We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
We are many, and you can be one of us.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted October 11, 2012 10:39 PM |
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Edited by DarkLord at 22:40, 11 Oct 2012.
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so it means Blood Maidens are back?
boooo! 
not happy about it!
could have given a chance to a better/more interesting unit
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ShardofTruth
Hired Hero
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posted October 11, 2012 10:42 PM |
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@Avonu: You're right of course and sorry for the Ancestor/Ancient mix-up. But that post was an answer to Avirosb asking for examples of the convoluted story NWC/3DO produced and no matter under which circumstances it happened, it's still true.
I just can't wrap my head around the idea that NWC's stories are praised despite all its flaws and on the other hand Ubisoft's is hated because there are too many dragons (who have almost zero influence in the campaigns).
I also can't imagine the snowstorm when Ubisoft would actually continued NWC's story, even when NWC themselves blew up a whole world in a little pre-rendering movie despite all the efforts in the past to save it.
@Verriker:
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any random bio or story text in Heroes III or IV is better than Heroes V and VI stories combined.
Do you honestly believe this?
@topic:
I'd really like to see the return of the Hydra as a champion or elite unit but I don't think they would've left such an artwork out of the compendium.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted October 11, 2012 10:43 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 22:48, 11 Oct 2012.
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Looking at how Ubisoft is "keeping" it's secrets, like with danse macabre, dark elves as the next faction (those were deduced well before any official info), concept art units in compendium will certainly make it to the final game. What I mean is, they are not very prone to make unexpected changes if something has already leaked etc. So this only leaves like 2-3 unknown units, because I'm beginning to wonder if Black's will really make it to the game as a unit (we already have the Daughter of Malassa boss)...
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