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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
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posted January 12, 2013 08:06 AM |
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@ DaveJ
i d disagree with you on this one
i see absolutely no problem with another Necromancers campaign!!
DLC is additional content, not everyone has it
secondly what other faction you d prefer?
Sanctuary??? spare me!!! story will be just plain boring..
Stronghold? i'd prefer Necros instead!
Haven?? Inferno?? too much credit given already in HoMM5
so the most reasonable remains Necropolis/..
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 12, 2013 08:50 AM |
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@ Dark lord
None of us is obligated to have the same opinion..
My problem is not the campaign itself but th fact that Ubi overuses necropolis. From the 6 games I mentioned it is the only faction that is present in such a large way i every of them. Inferno beeing second, but that is limited in DM to 2 NPC's and your demon form.
In each game they get a major role. A few pages back somebody pointed out that in heroes V almost evrybody got 2 full campaigns. That i snot thet truth. Only Haven, Dungeon and necropolis got those. The second cademy campaigne was shorter and worked more as "All the factions in the story". Stronghold only got 1 and a 2 map prolog, and Sylvan, Inferno and Fortress got only 1. So not most but only some of them.
Now to the topic "What I think would be better".
You may dislike sanctuary, but i would rather see them then necro.
Stronghold is always an option for me, bu that is an personal opinion.
Inferno may be overused as antagoists but not as the protagonists so they are a better choice for me aswell. And even Haven would be good since it still needs a well made and likeable character as the main protagonist.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted January 12, 2013 09:18 AM |
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I would like a haven campaign featuring someone from the greyhound duchy, I mean besides Isabel(and she represents the worse Ashan has to offer lore wise) we know nothing about this duchy.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted January 12, 2013 10:52 AM |
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Edited by DarkLord at 11:48, 12 Jan 2013.
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@ DaveJ
totally agree with you with the fact "so many people so many opinions"
actually to be honest i very rarely disagree with you ,
most of the time i do share your points of view.
nevertheless..
i will try to give more explanation, why necros should still be there imho..
id say its probably the previous background of Necro faction
that gives appealing image for me..
i mean Sandro, Gaudloth, even Markal was somehow better then Isabel-Raelag love story, Arantir was interesting as well as you see Necro hero somehow from the "good" side trying to stop Sareth..
so the necropolis werent associated with real negative image
and as a faction were always interesting to play with..
while lets take one by one..
Haven
so far, they have been always there, and honestly
was quite boring experience..
"griffin eternal" still echoes in my mind
i cant remember any storyline that was catching about Haven
and they have been used just too many times as a main protagonist
its time to focus on someone esle
Inferno
i actually agree with you that if Inferno was presented from
different perspective that would be very very interesting for me at least
seriously they have been always presented as the "badass"
or "i conquer the world" demons..
more deep story, that will make you understand why you, a demon, act , behave , feel certain ways.. that would have been awesome!!!
from the other side Inferno was main evil focus in HoMMV and Dark Messiah, so maybe should be another faction on the spot this time
Stronghold
Orcs actually werent bad , as i expected, and campaign was not bad , aside of annoying goblin  ))
somehow ashan stronghold could give this feel of rage that flows in orcs veins!
i like Stronghold , i just dont like to play them..)
as for Stronghold in expansion, seems like their story have been told already, they gained the independence, and are not taking part in major events lorewise..
Sanctuary
As for sanctuary its a new faction, so i dont have any other impression about them
except for Heroes6, and in my opinion in H6 they were just horrible!
campaign was the worst in my opinion
with nagas who are all about balance and spirituality
accepting this "spoiled kid with an attitude" as their leader??
i will never buy that!
and destroying all humans in wolf dutchy , so just she can get her revenge fulfilled ??
doesnt match with all in-yang philosophy..
they are called sanctuary in the end of the day, not a samurai warlords
as a faction itself i would imagine greek mythology / atlantida like faction fit better as a water based faction.. but we have what we have..
so summing it up,
sanctuary of H6 vanilla gave me a really bad impression
and i am pleased not to see them again in expansion..
P.S>
the faction that REALLY fits in this expansion together with dungeon is
Sylvan
lorewise, gameplaywise (as opposite of dungeon) and "everythingwise"
they just should be there and its a shame they aren't
i do blame sanctuary for taking place of my beloved elves in vanilla!
and i dont want the same to happen in expansion..
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted January 12, 2013 11:14 AM |
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Look, we are getting a Dungeon Campaign anyway, which I am looking forward to so I don't mind what other faction we get in the other campaign...
Remember H5 Tribes had a lengthy campaign with Necro (Arantir) before we really could get stuck into the new Orcs campaign....
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted January 12, 2013 12:07 PM |
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The whole problem lies in the small number of factions. If we would get Sylvan and Dungeon in the expansion, we would get two lengthy, "new" campaigns. The problem is that, by today's standards, you usually get one new faction in a strategy game expansion. And don't count on Ubi to change that. And that's that. With 5+1 factions how can you expect something new? Only a new factions -> Sanctuary (though some would dislike that) or something like a Fortress campaign would be something "new".
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 12, 2013 12:09 PM |
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Quote:
i mean Sandro, Gaudloth, even Markal was somehow better then Isabel-Raelag love story, Arantir was interesting as well as you see Necro hero somehow from the "good" side trying to stop Sareth..
so the necropolis werent associated with real negative image
and as a faction were always interesting to play with..
Completely agree with this, Necro characters are always great additions
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BlueLore
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 12, 2013 12:30 PM |
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@ Dark lord
None of us is obligated to have the same opinion..
My problem is not the campaign itself but th fact that Ubi overuses necropolis. From the 6 games I mentioned it is the only faction that is present in such a large way i every of them. Inferno beeing second, but that is limited in DM to 2 NPC's and your demon form.
In each game they get a major role. A few pages back somebody pointed out that in heroes V almost evrybody got 2 full campaigns. That i snot thet truth. Only Haven, Dungeon and necropolis got those. The second cademy campaigne was shorter and worked more as "All the factions in the story". Stronghold only got 1 and a 2 map prolog, and Sylvan, Inferno and Fortress got only 1. So not most but only some of them.
what I meant was almost every faction from the vanilla game.
Only Sylvan and inferno didn't get a second campaign and while academy was also the point where the different factions joined forces,your main character in those campaigns was always a wizard(and I think it makes a little bit up for that,through the fact,that the wizards basically save the day,making them the faction who accomplish the most),so yeah 4 out of the 6 original factions got 2 campaigns,if anything at all I would rather say,that they simply paid less attention to inferno and sylvan than they did to the others.
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@ DaveJ
Sanctuary
As for sanctuary its a new faction, so i dont have any other impression about them
except for Heroes6, and in my opinion in H6 they were just horrible!
campaign was the worst in my opinion
with nagas who are all about balance and spirituality
accepting this "spoiled kid with an attitude" as their leader??
i will never buy that!
and destroying all humans in wolf dutchy , so just she can get her revenge fulfilled ??
doesnt match with all in-yang philosophy..
they are called sanctuary in the end of the day, not a samurai warlords
as a faction itself i would imagine greek mythology / atlantida like faction fit better as a water based faction.. but we have what we have..
so summing it up,
sanctuary of H6 vanilla gave me a really bad impression
and i am pleased not to see them again in expansion..
while sanctuary is a spiritual faction,it also attaches importance to honor and war,it is not everything spiritual and nice.They will elminate anyone who stains their honor(and since the wolf dutchy did this with irina,who became their leader....)
And I think this is a good thing,because if they weren't that way they wouldn't be different enough from the elves.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 12, 2013 12:33 PM |
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calm as a wave, furious as a tsunami
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Kalle_DK
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 12, 2013 04:02 PM |
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Hey guys, i jsut installed the game a few days ago, and after pretty much playing trough all the big maps, im finding myself repeating maps. I did for a while browse the webz for mappacks but with no luck I see there are 2 dlcs which i dont have, but to me they look like campaign content dlcs, which is not for me i play custom games only, but do any of these include custom maps?
Another sidequestion, i tried to find an online game to join, but there was only a whooping 2!!! games on the list where both had pw requirement, can it really be there is no1 playing this game online?:S
- Kasper
PS: I know this is offtopic but i couldt start my own thread yet, and for that i apologies^^
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Vindicator
Supreme Hero
Right Back Extraordinaire
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posted January 12, 2013 04:10 PM |
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Well, for online matches you can check out Elvin's H6 tournament (here), it is quite active. Can't help you with the maps, sorry.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 12, 2013 04:16 PM |
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Quote:
Hey guys, i jsut installed the game a few days ago, and after pretty much playing trough all the big maps, im finding myself repeating maps. I did for a while browse the webz for mappacks but with no luck I see there are 2 dlcs which i dont have, but to me they look like campaign content dlcs, which is not for me i play custom games only, but do any of these include custom maps?
Another sidequestion, i tried to find an online game to join, but there was only a whooping 2!!! games on the list where both had pw requirement, can it really be there is no1 playing this game online?:S
- Kasper
PS: I know this is offtopic but i couldt start my own thread yet, and for that i apologies^^
GL HF with maps4heroes, maybe?
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GunFred
Supreme Hero
Sexy Manticore
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posted January 12, 2013 04:17 PM |
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Quote:
Hey guys, i jsut installed the game a few days ago, and after pretty much playing trough all the big maps, im finding myself repeating maps. I did for a while browse the webz for mappacks but with no luck I see there are 2 dlcs which i dont have, but to me they look like campaign content dlcs, which is not for me i play custom games only, but do any of these include custom maps?
Another sidequestion, i tried to find an online game to join, but there was only a whooping 2!!! games on the list where both had pw requirement, can it really be there is no1 playing this game online?:S
- Kasper
PS: I know this is offtopic but i couldt start my own thread yet, and for that i apologies^^
The two DLC are mainly campaigns and a bit overpriced if you ask me but I think they might contain a few new maps and scenarios as well. If you like H6 then I recommend you get the two DLC when there is a discount.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 12, 2013 04:33 PM |
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The DLC contains each one a two-map campaign, and 1 new scenario based on a map of the campaigns...too overpriced, I reccomend the link I posted before and get the DLCs only if a good discount.
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Kalle_DK
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 12, 2013 06:12 PM |
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checking out that website as we speak, thanks dude!^^
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted January 14, 2013 06:54 AM |
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Okay, I know this has been mentioned a few times, but what is the confirmed lineup for Dungeon?
Is it:
Core: Assassin, Stalker, Lurker
Elite: Minotaur, Manticore, Faceless
Champion: Black Dragon
And who are the shooters? Stalker (frisbie) and Lurker (beam)...?
Don't the Cores need some durable infantry unit?
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 14, 2013 09:10 AM |
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Don't the Cores need some durable infantry unit?
Nope, that's the whole point of it, and that's one of the reason balancing will become hard - it's make or break.
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Nelgirith
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted January 14, 2013 01:25 PM |
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Elite: Minotaur, Manticore, Faceless
There's still one elite that hasn't been announced. It seems most people think it will be Faceless or some kind of "Faceless-aphin" and some others think it will be Darkness Elementals.
I sure hope they'll come up with something more surprising, but I fear it will be one of the above creatures that will complete the line-up
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 14, 2013 01:48 PM |
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Tsk tsk, the faceless were the very first artwork we got.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 14, 2013 02:06 PM |
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We kinda knew that stalkers are shooters, but Lurkers? I thought they were "only" casters....mmm, sounds interesting, better than the classic "Shooter + infantry + healer", not matter how hard to balance will be.
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