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War-overlord
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posted October 10, 2012 03:42 PM |
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Inferno was rather fiery in H5, but I guess consistency starts with H6.
And what's this about Academy and air, I thought wizards didn't care about dragons...
True, but most of them are humans and humans have an innate inclination for air magic. They are created that way and Wizards cannot do anything about it. Also, all magics have emotional/sensational properties. And air magic embodies rationality.
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samir
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posted October 10, 2012 03:43 PM |
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Nice... so as long as there is ashan we will never get any new towns as there are no more elemental groups?
That is a good way of killing eventual original ideas for future towns and makes it kinda useless for the fans to create other factions than the ones we have so far...
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Avonu
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Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 10, 2012 03:51 PM |
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And what's this about Academy and air, I thought wizards didn't care about dragons...
They don't care at all... or do care about all of them, as Erwan once stated.
Some wizards indeed worship Ylath, Elemental Dragon of Air, but generally they think they can become another Dragon God like Sar-Elam... and they are wrong, as Azh Rafir showed to us in Clash of Dragons.
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Fortress will never be ice based. Dwarves worship the Fire Dragon God, not the Ice God that doesn't even exist. In Homm 5, the tier 5, 6 and 7 units were all fire based (well, Thanes had a lightning alternate...). Also i remember reading somwhere that Dwarves live very close to the Gate of Sheogh (correct me if i'm wrong), and thus close to earth's core and the Demons. I would have no problems with a Valkyrie. I actually kinda like the fire theme of Fortress and i would love a Fortress faction in Heroes 6.
Why not?
It is not what they worship, it is where they live. Now we only know about Dwarves from Grimheim, but Thallan is not only continent on Ashan. You can imagine that somewhere on far North or far South lives another Dwarves who adopted to icy environment and use all what they can to survive... and to fight. And still worship they Dragon God as Arkath use his fire to warm these Dwarves in their ice kingdom.
Just few my thoughts about what can be done with one race with enough imagination. 
Sheogh is another plane, not location near any kingdom. True there are some gates to it but it is not like Sheogh is another level of Ashan undergrounds - it's different place.
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Avirosb
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No longer on vacation
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posted October 10, 2012 03:52 PM |
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air magic embodies rationality
I sincerely hope rationality means something entirely different in Ashan...
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JollyJoker
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posted October 10, 2012 03:57 PM |
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Nice... so as long as there is ashan we will never get any new towns as there are no more elemental groups?
That is a good way of killing eventual original ideas for future towns and makes it kinda useless for the fans to create other factions than the ones we have so far...
If that was true we wouldn't have the Orcs either - which means, even if they were not prepared to have more than one faction per Element, you could create an unlimited amount of factions that don't worship Dragon Gods.
Be a bit more original here ...
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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 10, 2012 04:00 PM |
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I haven seen so much hate for nothing since the topic of How manny dragons is actually to much.
For many of you it would be a surprise how much the Dwarven fortress was loved, In some lands its almost as loved and missed as Academy, and I know how much many of you are fond of it.
Now tell me what is the problem with dual representativs of an element. Each element has more then one power. Fire can burne you to ashes but also it keeps you warm and helps you forge steel. I do not se a problem with two factions of the same element. I would even love to see more factions that bring more light and divorcity into the Elemental stereotypes
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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 10, 2012 04:05 PM |
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Inferno was rather fiery in H5, but I guess consistency starts with H6.
And what's this about Academy and air, I thought wizards didn't care about dragons...
Not true. Many care but for different dragons, Asha, Ylath or Urgash. The worship power to be exact.
But still Acadame shoudl not = air. Air is the element godly element of the free people behind the borders of the imperium
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Nice... so as long as there is ashan we will never get any new towns as there are no more elemental groups?
That is a good way of killing eventual original ideas for future towns and makes it kinda useless for the fans to create other factions than the ones we have so far...
If by Original you mean Pandas in Wow.. then no thanks.... really you can have it..
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Adrius
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Stand and fight!
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posted October 10, 2012 04:07 PM |
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Wouldn't mind seeing Fortress as a fire/ice mix...
Cold enviroments justify having stuff like frost trolls and polar bears in the line-up.
Their dwarven smithing can justify it as well... can't make good steel with just heat, ya need cold as well...
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samir
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posted October 10, 2012 04:23 PM |
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If by Original you mean Pandas in Wow.. then no thanks.... really you can have it..
Were do you see I want panda's?
Like original is only extreme stupid things.
I meant more like a evil perverse town or another good town.
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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 10, 2012 04:29 PM |
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Were do you see I want panda's?
Like original is only extreme stupid things.
I meant more like a evil perverse town or another good town.
That was an example how ORIGINAL can scruw up.
And I think your evil preserve town can be seen in Dungeon.
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samir
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posted October 10, 2012 04:34 PM |
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That is greek mytholgoy, I want more engish and slavish mythology in the games as those monster would be good in heroes series, i've seen enough minotauros and dark elves in other games more original things like the sactuary are welcome for me instead of the never changing stuff.
are you working for blackhole? You are so protective of them.
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Avirosb
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No longer on vacation
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posted October 10, 2012 04:36 PM |
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Dark elves aren't evil, they're just misunderstoood.
Bring back Asylum!
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samir
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posted October 10, 2012 04:37 PM |
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I don't like drow/dark/evil elves in general, I think elves should be with the preserve/rampart/forest town and that dungeon should be lizardmen or even better troglodtys or something new, like a shadow race (non human/dwarf or elf)
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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 10, 2012 04:50 PM |
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I don't like drow/dark/evil elves in general, I think elves should be with the preserve/rampart/forest town and that dungeon should be lizardmen or even better troglodtys or something new, like a shadow race (non human/dwarf or elf)
For such general complainers I have onely one advice. Find another game or/and stick to old games, if you are not satisfied with the current state. Nobady forces you to buy/play them
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Endbringer
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Devil's Bane
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posted October 10, 2012 04:51 PM |
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I don't like drow/dark/evil elves in general, I think elves should be with the preserve/rampart/forest town and that dungeon should be lizardmen or even better troglodtys or something new, like a shadow race (non human/dwarf or elf)
I rather like the dark elves. True, in Heroes V their designs could have been better (the females were very cheaply sexualized like a JRPG), but I am very optimistic towards their designs in Heroes VI.
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War-overlord
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posted October 10, 2012 05:00 PM |
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Now we only know about Dwarves from Grimheim, but Thallan is not only continent on Ashan. You can imagine that somewhere on far North or far South lives another Dwarves who adopted to icy environment and use all what they can to survive... and to fight. And still worship they Dragon God as Arkath use his fire to warm these Dwarves in their ice kingdom.
This is already explained. Dwarves survive in arctic environments like Grimheim because have insanely high body-temperature, which makes them not feel the cold or heat. Dwarves can walk out in the snow in what other would consider summer clothes. On the other side of the coin, Dwarves can handle burning coals with their bare hands without feeling pain or getting their skin burned.
So they do not need to adapt, they already are.
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gnomes2169
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posted October 10, 2012 05:08 PM |
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I rather like the dark elves. True, in Heroes V their designs could have been better (the females were very cheaply sexualized like a JRPG), but I am very optimistic towards their designs in Heroes VI.
This. With the current (spectacular) graphics being put into this game, I actually can't wait to see how they pull off the Dark Elves/ Dungeon (even if they include purple... purple is pretty. Gosh.)
On the subject of the dwarves, we might see some come as neutral units. If you remember the lore, the Dark Elves drove the Dwarves out of certain halls (Like the jerks they are) and did this rather quickly after their banishment. This is why the Dwarves and Dark elves are constantly at war. I'm pretty sure we aren't going to get a dwarven faction, though in any expansion pack. Not in this game at least.
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War-overlord
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posted October 10, 2012 05:15 PM |
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I rather like the dark elves. True, in Heroes V their designs could have been better (the females were very cheaply sexualized like a JRPG), but I am very optimistic towards their designs in Heroes VI.
This. With the current (spectacular) graphics being put into this game, I actually can't wait to see how they pull off the Dark Elves/ Dungeon (even if they include purple... purple is pretty. Gosh.)
On the subject of the dwarves, we might see some come as neutral units. If you remember the lore, the Dark Elves drove the Dwarves out of certain halls (Like the jerks they are) and did this rather quickly after their banishment. This is why the Dwarves and Dark elves are constantly at war. I'm pretty sure we aren't going to get a dwarven faction, though in any expansion pack. Not in this game at least.
If the Compendium is anything to go by, and I would say it is, then Dungeon is going to be very purple.
I can indeed imagine to see Dwarves, as wel as Sylvan Elves and Academy creatures, as neutrals before they get their own faction.
However, Gnomes, you are wrong about your assesment of the War Under the Mountain. Yes the Dark Elves tried to invade the Dwarven Halls, but they never succeeded. At least not for very long. The Dwarves won the First War Under the Mountain and kept their territory.
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gnomes2169
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posted October 10, 2012 05:37 PM |
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There was that scenario that the Dark Elves managed to pull off in H5 that was set close to the H6 timeline where Dungeon actually managed to push through and temporarily take over some important dwarven border town. Maybe that happens 100 years after this setting though, since I remember the phrase "400 years ago" being part of that scenario...
And that probably won't come up because Realag will be the Dungeon protagonist and he wasn't in that scenario either.  But the wars could start because Realag is a jerk and they would use dwarven units for that...
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KingImp
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posted October 10, 2012 05:40 PM |
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Not logical. All future allies can be neutrals now.
I have to agree here.
Remember the Renegades in H5? They started out as neutrals in HoF, but then became part of the Haven alternate lineup in TotE.
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