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posted August 19, 2013 10:10 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 22:29, 19 Aug 2013.
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no I meant, I'm not sure you can live that way and expect that the state / companies will leave you in peace.
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Most nationalists I've met from the West build the argument of their nationalism like this:
Why on earth should I pay more taxes for those immigrants?
lol we hear that a lot yes 
according to propaganda, the poors and immigrants are the ones hoarding all the money. and people heard about deregulation of the economy, speculation, banks bailouts, etc... but no, it must because of the poors...
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posted August 19, 2013 10:18 PM |
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Edited by artu at 22:20, 19 Aug 2013.
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no I meant, I'm not sure you can live that way and expect that the state / companies will leave you in peace.
Hmm... Well, if it's a small portion the population they will, why bother? "If it's not" is the point where it seems unrealistic to me, I mean really, how many would want to live in the forest?
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posted August 19, 2013 10:20 PM |
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If you lived alone in the woods you wouldn't earn much, if any, money, so you wouldn't have to pay taxes anyway.
On the hand the land would be owned ny someone...
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posted August 19, 2013 10:24 PM |
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Edited by artu at 22:25, 19 Aug 2013.
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There wouldn't even be money, remember I fish and I bath in the river, what money? That's the point of the question. I don't even belong to the monetary system, now am I a subject of the state?
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posted August 19, 2013 10:26 PM |
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artu said:
There wouldn't even be money, remember I fish and I bath in the river, what money? That's the point of the question? I don't even belong to the monetary system, now am I a subject of the state?
yes, because of the land you're "squatting on", obviously. that's where they'd get you. the only escape is to be unknown, and invisible.
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posted August 19, 2013 10:33 PM |
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Edited by artu at 22:34, 19 Aug 2013.
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See, when you say obviously, by default you say we are born into a state, not into a land. I am indecisive about that. Who cares, but it's a good question like those tasty cookies grandma brings you
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posted August 19, 2013 10:36 PM |
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you don't know how to bake, grammy. your "cookies" are not delicious or nutritious. it's like trying to eat a cow-pie, i can't get past the smell.
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artu
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posted August 19, 2013 10:36 PM |
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Fauch
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posted August 19, 2013 10:44 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 22:44, 19 Aug 2013.
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yes, because of the land you're "squatting on", obviously
what I think too. personnally, I think that kind of land property should be forbidden. it's simply abusive that some people can own large portion of lands, even though they absolutely don't need them for their own survival, and can deny their access to people who really need them.
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posted August 19, 2013 11:10 PM |
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In the cabin scenario, what happens if someone moves into a cabin a few miles from me? And then another person, and another person. We start to trade with each other, specialize, soon enough we have a farming community and a village, we a sort-of currency to make our exchanges easier, and so on.
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posted August 19, 2013 11:23 PM |
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It's not a scenario, it's a situation. Don't twist the metaphor in favor of "free market" That's already been refuted in the city.
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posted August 20, 2013 12:02 AM |
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You didn't refute anything, neither here nor in the healthcare thread.
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posted August 20, 2013 12:07 AM |
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Mvass, I don't know why you're so refutaphobic but it was the metaphor continuing.
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posted August 20, 2013 12:13 AM |
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I have nothing against taxes, but I would wholeheartedly scalp any of the officials working in taxes collecting. Last year I made an error when declaring my revenues and they penalized me with a small +500%. As I had all proofs that my error was unintentional, I thought a short rendez-vous will fix the thing, but I didn't imagine the effects of sticking artificial intelligence in an human body.
Got butt slapped then had to eat macaroni for 8 months. Without salt, could not afford.
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posted August 20, 2013 12:17 AM |
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that's a free country for you, sal. don't you love how capitalism works?
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posted August 21, 2013 08:29 PM |
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So now I've come to the conclusion that I refuse to submit to ANY laws as long as the state is based on cohersion. I have my own moral imperative.
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artu
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posted August 21, 2013 09:27 PM |
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Btw, mvass, I checked back, in the healthcare thread your arguments are so inconsistent and sooo refuted, if you can't see it, some concepts are like religion for you. (In fact they really are.) At some point you object to me by giving an example of qualitative change, I remind you that was MY argument, you try to slide away with an off-topic quantity-quality move, when I tell you it's off-topic, you then hopelessly try to twist my argument into something which it's not, (even gnomes intervenes and tells you that). You reply again by claiming I said something I very obviously had not (nowhere in the argument I say no crime can be ACHIEVED). I think at that point, you are aware that you're totally off and it's just your pride not giving up.
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posted September 02, 2013 06:23 PM |
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artu, you didn't refute anything. I looked at the topic again, and you were just using a silly example. Saying "Haha, I refuted you" is not only untrue, but bad form.
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A good argument in favor of Xerox.Quote:
While it’s true that the State doesn’t use an army of drafted slaves anymore, we’re still forced to take part in other ways. Since it’s the State doing the killing, we are forced to pay for it. You might not be forced to give your labor in being present on the battlefield, but the product of whatever labor you do end up doing still has to go there...
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artu
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posted September 02, 2013 06:36 PM |
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Edited by artu at 18:41, 02 Sep 2013.
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That was kind of sarcastic since you went no no you didnt refute anything but your answers to the comparison between no crime and no health problems were way off and you were shown why they were so. You ended up making me say things I didnt say and went out of context. Since the discussion itself is there I think there is no further need to debate the debate.
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posted September 21, 2013 05:49 PM |
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Well in my opinion, if a person does not want to pay taxes he/she shouldn't have to. So there's a morally right from that point of view.
However I'd like to believe that if everyone got that choice, very few would at the same time decide not to. It's like a children, you don't tell them what to do, you say they get to choose, and offer them options. If you're good at showing the wonders of the world, the child will usually show what you'd otherwise have forced upon him/her.
If you're a bad cook, you've to force your child to eat vegetables, but if you're good cook, the child asks for more.
If you tell your child he decides if he wants to go to kindergarten/school today, and even allows him to stay home and get utterly bored, later on showing him what wonders school has (such as interesting book at the school library), or arranges for cake baking in the kindergarten shortly after, your child will quickly realize that it both has the freedom to choose, decide upon what would otherwise be forced, while still the safety of his home == government.
As such I'd be surprised if society would collapse without government, but government itself is important for proper decision making. If only politicians were paid for productivity, and not for simply being politicians.
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