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Gnomes2169
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posted November 25, 2013 09:46 AM

Salamandre said:
Or maybe nobody wants those gypsies near because they are capable to transform in no time a civilized and nice area into a stinky and chaotic rubbish, while boosting the local criminality by hundreds percent. I think the term of dick-head, as you use it, Gnomes, is not applied to the right side.

Being hunted down, butchered, persecuted and imprisoned on sight if you happened to be traveling in a gypsy caravan (not just if you were a gypsy, but if you were even associated with them), tends to show that there is a decent amount of bigotry in place. After all, 100% of gypsies and people that travel with them will not be criminals, just like 100% of all Americans are not fat, lazy, stupid or arrogant.

As for the local criminality statistic, that is an inflated statistic brought along by people reporting more things are being stolen when, in reality, it might go up by 10-20% (gypsy troupes with 100% criminals (Pft, those 1-4 year olds and 45+ year olds, toooootal master criminals with insane amounts of dexterity and skill) are still far, far fewer people that a city or town will have) and people start reporting things that they misplace or lose as "stolen" only because of the gypsy presence in the area. And you've heard of circuses, yes? Those are your "stinky and chaotic rubbish" areas, for the most part. They pack up and leave to go to newer and better areas, since eventually people stop coming to see the elephants, hear stories, play games and otherwise go to a carnival. Most gypsy troupes in Europe aren't circuses, I'll admit, but you can still find the same things in them as legitimate business fronts. It's not much for money, but it's better than being labeled criminals out of hand and arrested without a scrap of evidence.
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posted November 25, 2013 10:03 AM

No, the problem is that in Romani culture there is no real ownership, you're free to take what you want or need freely. So they don't value other people's possessions, they just take it.

And they've "conveniently" refused to forget this practice.
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posted November 25, 2013 10:06 AM

Well, not every gypsy is a criminal just like not every American is a fat idiot.  The thing is, sometimes  the political correctness gets out of hand and refuses to acknowledge (and even deliberately underestimates) real problems instead of looking for a way to fix them. This backfires. Maybe not immediately but it does. Usually there are organizations which benefit from such excessive political correctness and the human rights are their last concern, even though it is the only advertised one. And while there's a lot of talk about what is right and what is wrong in principle, there's usually next to no dialogue about what is right and what is wrong in practice. People usually get fed up with practices, not principles, you know.

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posted November 25, 2013 10:35 AM

Zenofex said:
Well, not every gypsy is a criminal just like not every American is a fat idiot.  The thing is, sometimes  the political correctness gets out of hand and refuses to acknowledge (and even deliberately underestimates) real problems instead of looking for a way to fix them. This backfires. Maybe not immediately but it does. Usually there are organizations which benefit from such excessive political correctness and the human rights are their last concern, even though it is the only advertised one. And while there's a lot of talk about what is right and what is wrong in principle, there's usually next to no dialogue about what is right and what is wrong in practice. People usually get fed up with practices, not principles, you know.

Pretty much this summarizes my standpoint on the whole thing.
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posted November 25, 2013 12:30 PM
Edited by Aron at 12:32, 25 Nov 2013.

JoonasTo said:
No, the problem is that in Romani culture there is no real ownership, you're free to take what you want or need freely. So they don't value other people's possessions, they just take it.

And they've "conveniently" refused to forget this practice.


I'm gonna try that in a romani village!

In all cultures before the concept of private property and then especially capitalism we lived in free societies of common ownership.
This doesn't mean that possession didn't exist. If I am using something it is mine for the time being.
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posted November 25, 2013 06:49 PM

*sigh*

The broader point the woman was making had to do with wanting people to be more aware of things they may take for granted as members of a dominant culture.  

Good idea.  Terrible execution.  Now she gets to be lampooned and held up as an example of bleeding-heart, do-gooder, politically correct, liberal idiocy.  

At least she stands for something, which is more than I can say for OD, who prefers to ridicule from a distance while offering to the world little more than unenlightened self-interest.  Enjoy your yuks.
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posted November 25, 2013 07:01 PM

The_Gootch said:
which is more than I can say for OD, who prefers to ridicule from a distance while offering to the world little more than unenlightened self-interest.


Tell me about it.., Obama's Dog always barks at me too. That's if it's not busy investigating its genitals right in front of me.

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posted November 25, 2013 07:15 PM

*looks around*

You quoting me, clown shoes? Think I forgot your last stunt with me where you decided to edit your conversation with me in order to make me look like I was crazy?

Don't look at me, don't talk to me, don't quote me.  Just keep on trucking, troll.
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posted November 25, 2013 07:31 PM

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That's like saying you're half Atheist.

You have no power here, Common Sense.

During the post-communist-era cluster**** of religions and nationalities, Bosnian Muslims have taken on identifying themselves as a separate ethnic group, often called simply Muslims (Croats considering them Muslim Croats and Serbs considering them Muslim Serbs. They are, of course, Muslim Serbs). It's about the same as the term "Bosniak"; after the war, Islam has become the foremost beacon of nationalism among Bosniaks, so there you have it. Conceived by a Serbian father and a Bosniak mother, you can be a half-Muslim. Only in the Balkans.
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posted November 25, 2013 07:32 PM

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clown shoes

Holy **** that's hardcore.
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OhforfSake
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posted November 25, 2013 07:40 PM

Baklava said:
Conceived by a Serbian father and a Bosniak mother, you can be a half-Muslim. Only in the Balkans.


Nah, don't buy it, Siamese twins definitely. I wonder if you'd technically be cheating on her with her sister..

@Gootch
That was unexpected. I don't remember, but I'm very sorry you feel that way and I can assure you nothing ill was intended with what I did.
I'd no clue you harbored such feelings for me for so long, if you'd like me to explain myself, please link me the thread, and maybe we can be on good terms? That's up to you, otherwise I'll acknowledge your request and do my best to not address you as you wish.

I'm sure you don't need this now, but if you ever should do, I forgive you for previous comment and wish you the best.

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posted November 25, 2013 09:24 PM

I grew near gypsies borders in Romania. Romanian people have an adjective they use each other to design somebody lacking any moral assets, any responsibility and lack of compassion as well, is "tzigan". Which is the romanian translation of "gypsy", and is considered a big insult.

I don't know gypsies from other countries, Bulgaria, Hungary or else, but I got to know quite well those from my country. The thing is that, even if they have a strong predisposition for unhealthy and criminal behavior, they can't live by the standards they want in Romania, as romanians are very proud and patriot people thus they kick hard their ass and don't tolerate a single crime.

Of course, countries like France, England and a few others are like Eldorado for them, with all the irresponsible leftists claiming human rights for everyone, giving them 300 euros as welcome gift then offering free houses and food. When Gnomes say they are persecuted, it is far away from what is going. They are positively discriminated and benefit way more than locals. Which is the source of unhappiness and incomprehension about this weird politic.  

The reality is more complex, too: Europe is sending milliards of euros to Romania, to help with gypsies integration. Each year. What is the result? Totally fail, we have no idea where this money is ending. So anyone can understand that people feel very annoyed to pay twice for some far away strangers which have no interest or desire to integrate while, for the most part, managing to piss everyone around their illegal encampments.
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artu
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posted November 25, 2013 10:07 PM

The_Gootch said:
*looks around*

You quoting me, clown shoes? Think I forgot your last stunt with me where you decided to edit your conversation with me in order to make me look like I was crazy?

Don't look at me, don't talk to me, don't quote me.  Just keep on trucking, troll.

Actually he does that to by-pass the daily post  limit. He advised me the same "genius" tactic when I had the daily post limit. Unfortunately, you're the third person I see taking it as a personal attack and a plot to humiliate. This means two things, people are very self centered and that's a terrible way to deal with the post limit.

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posted November 25, 2013 10:13 PM

Corribus said:
Baklava said:
Well, my current girl is half-Muslim,

I'm not quite convinced this is possible.  That's like saying you're half Atheist.

Not if it's meant as an ethnicity rather than theological belief  and looking at the topic of the thread it probably is.

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posted November 26, 2013 12:49 AM

The_Gootch said:
*looks around*

You quoting me, clown shoes? Think I forgot your last stunt with me where you decided to edit your conversation with me in order to make me look like I was crazy?

Don't look at me, don't talk to me, don't quote me.  Just keep on trucking, troll.

Can't we keep things civilized? Is the name-calling really needed?

Let me remind you of the Code of Conduct, since a warning seems to be necessary:

6) NO provocation or aggravation.
Provocation is unfriendly behavior that causes anger or resentment from others. Aggravation is causing, continuing or increasing irritation or trouble. This includes being a detriment to the peacekeeping of the forums.
Each member is solely responsible for their own conduct - no amount of provocation or aggravation from someone else will justify the action of breaking the rules. Instead of responding to a member who has offended you, alert a moderator about this situation and let them deal with it, keeping you out of trouble.
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posted November 26, 2013 03:20 AM
Edited by The_Gootch at 18:19, 27 Nov 2013.

@Artu, seeing as how what he did predates your arrival, quiet nubcakes.  When I want your unqualified opinion, I'll give it to you.

@Corribus, c'mon, not even clown shoes?  Could you like, give me a list of acceptable pejoratives?  

Edit for comment below:

Fine.  Do what you gotta do, copper.  I'll do what I gotta do.
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Corribus
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posted November 26, 2013 05:51 AM

It's not about the words you use, but the way you use them.  The foundation of the Code of Conduct is respect for your fellow posters. I think I've been pretty tolerant of you over all, but not every post has to include some insult, put down, bit of ridicule against whoever you happen to disagree with at that particular moment.  People do complaint about it, and not infrequently.  This instance is no exception.
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posted November 26, 2013 08:55 AM

@ gootch
Since he kept on doing the very same thing and he did it with anybody, I fail to see how it's relevant that in your case it was before my time. But I really dont want to turn this into a discussion, especially now that the moderation is invoved. Believe whatever you wish to.

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posted November 27, 2013 02:37 AM

This reminds me of our local petting farm when I was younger.  It was set up by a local woman who wanted to provide the kids with an interesting and interactive place to go and learn - keeping them off the streets and hopefully out of trouble.

She had personally bought chickens, goats, sheep, a couple of calves, pigs .... yep all manner of farmyard animals and petitioned the local authority for the use of scrub land between the tower blocks.  This was great for us inner city kids, who'd never seen anything like this apart from on tv.  We got to feed the animals, help take care of them, cared for them when they got sick etc and cried when our favorite one eventually died of old age etc.  In fact the place became so popular, the local authority (wishing to ingratiate themselves no doubt, started providing the Farm with funding).

Well this lady's favorite animal was the 600lb pig (breed called Large White).  Now this pig followed her around like a puppy.  It was hysterical.  So she used one of the kids drawings of this pig on her Farm paperwork and eventually the Farm's advertising.  Which the local authoriy gladly paid for and help distribute - because now the Farm was incredibly popular and even those from outside the borough would come and visit for the day.

Now remember, it was just a kid's sketch of a pig.  For a city farm.

Well, some uber-liberal, do-gooding, insufferable snow  decided that not only was the advertising racist, but it was also anti-Islamic.  He got his entire family involved.  Oh he kicked up a stink.  Got the local newspaper down for pictures of him standing po-faced next to the Farm sign, like the frustrated Puritan he was. He wasn't local, but he was hoping to become a local MP (Member of Parliament) in the local elections.

Well the local Government had no choice but to get involved .... and to cut a long story short - the advertising, although never deemed inappropriate, was removed.  I mean what were they going to say, he had used the racism and anti-Islam card.  The two biggest taboo's of our time.

(Note to self - hurry up with ending).  Well the farm lady left.  And the local authority took the farm over.  Within a year it was closed.  They sold the land to property developers.  You see the Farm Lady had fought for that space to be used by the community. She was just a local woman, trying to do something nice for her neighbors. But after all that, I guess being painted as a raging racist proved too much.  She had poured a lot of her own cash into the Farm.  The local kids adored it, local parents loved it.  And everyone local at some point or another came to the Farm, regardless of color, creed or religion etc.  The local Muslim families never cared that their kids mucked out the pigs or took the donkey for a walk.  No one cared that the biggest pig was the farm's Talisman.  Except that one guy.  And he wasn't Muslim.  He wasn't Jewish.  He wasn't Black or Asian or Indian.  He was a trouble-maker, with no idea or experience about the things he was accusing others of.

And they are the worse kind of idiot.  They make it difficult for everyone else.  And through their blind arrogance often make things much worse.  Because ultimately they don't care about the truth or what is right, they only care about themselves.  Its just another form of tyranny.

Its the same thing with this stupid woman at the school.  There are times, valid times to confront and combat racism, sexism etc.  But making snow up because you are apologising for being White or the Dominant Majority is never going to achieve anything.

It is insulting in the extreme to insinuate that some parents might be concerned about sending their kids to the school, because some 'American' kids eat sandwiches!!

And that woman is a teacher!!!
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posted November 27, 2013 12:03 PM

Good story. I think that level of overdesigned pseudo-sensitivity is always the indicator of something wrong with a society not something progressive.  I know thousands of Muslims and none would be offended by Muppet Show's Miss Piggy or a cartoon or whatever...

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