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OhforfSake
OhforfSake


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posted January 11, 2014 11:05 PM

Love it, thank yoU!
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Richard_Chen
Richard_Chen


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posted January 12, 2014 06:03 AM

OhforfSake said:
Love it, thank yoU!


Thanks for watching. I am always uploading these videos^^ Hope you enjoy them.

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master_learn
master_learn


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walking to the library
posted January 12, 2014 10:25 PM

Interesting that you don't have cyclops with you for the battle,but you have shooters-the magi.
So I guess the reason he doesn't come out(with dragons) when his shooters are disabled is his priority of magi been low and the fear of behemots high.
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OhforfSake
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posted January 12, 2014 10:38 PM

Another great battle

Very creative, to clone through the wall like that, not something I've ever considered.

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Salamandre
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posted January 12, 2014 11:11 PM

The day when I will see a chinese map where AI has dispel I will be very surprised.

Without dispel is just a matter of "how I exploit its coding flaws". The fact that there are 10x more armies on AI side is fake difficulty as they can't do anything. Give him 10 times less, but dispel and teleport and you will have a fair battle.
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OhforfSake
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posted January 12, 2014 11:44 PM

But isn't one of the main AI problems that it does not choose what spell to cast very well?

I'm pretty sure I've many times seen the AI have dispel without using it properly.

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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
posted January 12, 2014 11:52 PM

Yes, depeding on the spell they have you can manipulate them not to cast dispel. Though I think blind is a hard trigger to cast dispel?
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Salamandre
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posted January 13, 2014 12:09 AM

Exactly. If you give him destruction spells (lightning, icebolt etc) and dispel, he will prioritize the destruction even if the dispel can save his a$$. The key to have fair battles is to give him what he needs, no more no less. Mass haste, slow, cure, blind then dispel. If behind castle walls, add teleport.

Combined with decent army and with only those spells he will cast them properly. However the battles will be less spectacular than in videos, where the fun is to see AI being mocked.
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Richard_Chen
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posted January 13, 2014 12:42 AM

Salamandre said:
The day when I will see a chinese map where AI has dispel I will be very surprised.

Without dispel is just a matter of "how I exploit its coding flaws". The fact that there are 10x more armies on AI side is fake difficulty as they can't do anything. Give him 10 times less, but dispel and teleport and you will have a fair battle.


That's right. If AI has only Mass dispel, hast, slow and distruction spells only (no more), it's very hard to defeat them but not impossible.

We can drain its mana first (AI may cast mast haste and slow first two rounds, dispel every two rounds). Use Silver pegasi, Ghost and Imps to drain faster and Arch Magi to save our mana. Try to make sure enemy's mana is less than ours.

Hail a hero to attract enemy main heroes in a castle or on a specific terrain get them blocked by terrain or wall. Cast Prot. Air/Earth Magic or learn Expert Resistance or take resistance artifacts (such as pendant of negativity). Also, cast Anti Magic and bring Sphere of Permanence will also work.

All the Official maps we can fight a fair battle, but in the insane maps such as Wayfarer (E), Jedi Story or Matataxers Revenge, we need to use Tricks to defeat them.

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Richard_Chen
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posted January 13, 2014 12:51 AM

master_learn said:
Interesting that you don't have cyclops with you for the battle,but you have shooters-the magi.
So I guess the reason he doesn't come out(with dragons) when his shooters are disabled is his priority of magi been low and the fear of behemots high.


I think the reason should be that he thinks my ranged troops is very weak, only 82 Arch Magi can only kill 30 Pegasi or 3 Gold Dragons (Lvl 40 hero + Specialty Archery + Sharpshooter's bow). I think he is not fear, 850 Gold Dragons is still too powerful!

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master_learn
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walking to the library
posted January 14, 2014 11:28 AM
Edited by master_learn at 20:03, 25 Jan 2014.

So that was the final battle!
Thanks for the attraction trick!

Edit:I reached Coronius in my play of this map.
I suppose he doesn't have the magic mirror and I see him summon earth elementals all the time.Should use another tactic with him.
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Richard_Chen
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posted January 26, 2014 12:19 AM

master_learn said:
So that was the final battle!
Thanks for the attraction trick!

Edit:I reached Coronius in my play of this map.
I suppose he doesn't have the magic mirror and I see him summon earth elementals all the time.Should use another tactic with him.


Yes, try to take out all the Earth Element first. Use Yog + Sharpshooter's bow + Ammo Cart, maybe 1 shot 1 kill.

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master_learn
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walking to the library
posted January 26, 2014 01:09 PM

Do you think to post tricks(videos) about other chalenging maps you played?Do you play at the moment such a map?
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bloodsucker
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posted January 27, 2014 02:21 AM

Amazing stuff!! Being a beginner I have really learned a lot from your videos.

Have you ever played "The Dragon Slauther"?
I would really love to see more solutions and less pictures of armys and battle results for that one... as for some other famous maps like "The empire of the world III" or "Alexander the Great".

If you have them, could you publish them? I think it would be a really great learning opportunity.

Thank you.

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Richard_Chen
Richard_Chen


Hired Hero
posted January 27, 2014 11:35 AM

master_learn said:
Do you think to post tricks(videos) about other chalenging maps you played?Do you play at the moment such a map?


I am currently playing "Xiedu" the Chinese map these days! It really needs very careful movement and battle skills. I recommend it to you if you like^^

Do you defeat Colonius in Wayfarer? How do you think I finish this map in 143 days? I heard that some Chinese players can finish it in 100 days which is really amazing!

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Richard_Chen
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posted January 27, 2014 11:37 AM

bloodsucker said:
Amazing stuff!! Being a beginner I have really learned a lot from your videos.

Have you ever played "The Dragon Slauther"?
I would really love to see more solutions and less pictures of armys and battle results for that one... as for some other famous maps like "The empire of the world III" or "Alexander the Great".

If you have them, could you publish them? I think it would be a really great learning opportunity.

Thank you.



LOL, I will try! I played "The empire of the world II" before and finished in 174 days, maybe too long for me. I would like to try it again and try III in future^^

I didn't play the maps you mentioned but I would like to have a try. Thanks for your recommendation!

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master_learn
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walking to the library
posted January 27, 2014 10:10 PM

Richard_Chen said:

Do you defeat Colonius in Wayfarer?

Yep.Finally,after bringing the ABs to combat.
Coronius meteor showered them instead of CKs.
Yog took the experience,but Ciele is already level 33,so I think she will be able to reach the peasants later.
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Richard_Chen
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posted January 27, 2014 11:19 PM

master_learn said:
Richard_Chen said:

Do you defeat Colonius in Wayfarer?

Yep.Finally,after bringing the ABs to combat.
Coronius meteor showered them instead of CKs.
Yog took the experience,but Ciele is already level 33,so I think she will be able to reach the peasants later.


Don't worry, Ciele will get 800000 exp in the seer's hut near Coronius's castle.

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MalekithPL
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Hired Hero
posted January 28, 2014 10:19 PM

Richard_Chen said:
and Imps to drain faster
Imps don't actually 'drain' anything. They just add 20% (rounded down; can't drain if spell costs less than 5) of opponent's spell cost to your mana pool.

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master_learn
master_learn


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walking to the library
posted January 29, 2014 08:11 PM
Edited by master_learn at 21:24, 29 Jan 2014.

What are your tips for the fight with Dracon?
Following the battle tactic from the spoiler in celestialheavens don't work,because he uses the clone spell(he clones his titans ).
I mean with two rounds meteor shower and third round forgetfullness I got reduced in army size to the ABs.Then if I summon earth elementals he casts clone.
I might try with air shield,but I doubt the effect would be enough.

Just to mention it,in your reply you can write "@ML ...",instead of quoeting me.

Edit:nvm,I got him.After one clone of titans and after that genies and gargs,when I used my magic aroow on the clones,he never summoned any after.He just summoned elementals and put magic mirror and antimagic to them!

Though I almost lost because of his last spell-cure!
With 0 mana left he was easy prey.
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