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Raelag84
Famous Hero
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posted December 12, 2013 10:24 PM |
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Poll Question:
What will you give up to make heroes 7 good.
We heroes fans want a lot from Ubisoft, but the company can't give us everything. They have a limited amount of staff and money. So lets give them a brake. What are we willing to give up, and what do we want in return?
Here is my opinion on some of the options.
Graphics-I would be happy if H7 had H5 graphics or even worse. In fact I consider improving graphics to be something of a burden. They make it so I have to continually spend money on a better computer. Pain
Number of factions- I want all nine factions in return for my graphics sacrifice, though many can come through expansions. I want them to be so varied that playing each faction is like playing a different game. That said if there was only four factions in the vanilla I would understand.
Balance-Heroes isn't starcraft. It doesn't need to be perfectly balanced, I would rather just have more factions. Still, some balance is necessary. See labor part.
Cut scenes-(sighs) I looooove a good cut scene. Dialog boxes alone will never be enough for me. They don't have to be pretty though. If there is enough detail to see mouths move when people are talking I would be happy.
Money-When people make indie games they ask for donations. Ubisoft could do that. I would donate some.
A little labor-Having all nine factions would ruin balance, so I would be happy to help restore it. Anything for those factions.
A lot of labor-As far as I know this would be unprecedented, but I know other people have put a lot of work into mods. I for one can't really help here because I don't know how to make mods.
Editor software-I have no idea how to make mods, and I have never built a map, even so I considerate it a must. Someday I will be able to make new factions...someday.
Other-I can't think of everything.
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
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posted December 12, 2013 10:46 PM |
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Graphics- Frankly, I'd prefer isometric 2D 800x600 resolution graphics, á la H3, or even Hand-drawn 2D á la H2.
Number of factions- 8-9
Balance-Heroes isn't starcraft. It doesn't need to be perfectly balanced, I would rather just have more factions. Still, some balance is necessary. Agree completely.
Cut scenes- Text boxes all the way, except in campaigns, where a 15-second loop + voiceover combo would be preferable.
Money-When people make indie games they ask for donations. Ubisoft could do that. I would donate some. Agreed. I'd
A little labor- that's their job, I can't help there.
A lot of labor- see above
Editor software- H3 quality AT LEAST
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Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
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posted December 12, 2013 11:08 PM |
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They have a limited amount of staff and money
You do realize you're talking about the third largest game developer in the world right?
I guess this is the bargaining part of the whole depression cycle.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted December 12, 2013 11:45 PM |
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Adrius said:
You do realize you're talking about the third largest game developer in the world right?
I guess this is the bargaining part of the whole depression cycle.
lol, too true
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mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 13, 2013 12:01 AM |
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Another one of these "Hire fewer artists and more designers and programmers!" topics. You do realize that if Ubi did that, no one outside of hardcore HoMM fans would be interested in the game, right? It's sad to say, but even if all the people like us were to buy it at full price (and not pirate it... <_< ) Ubi would lose money with this game. They have to get new people interested - which means graphics. They don't have to be astounding, but few will want to play a game with H3-level graphics.
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Raelag84
Famous Hero
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posted December 13, 2013 01:11 AM |
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Edited by Raelag84 at 01:12, 13 Dec 2013.
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Adrius said:
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They have a limited amount of staff and money
You do realize you're talking about the third largest game developer in the world right?
I guess this is the bargaining part of the whole depression cycle.
The Ubisoft pie is very large, but the heroes share of that pie is likely very small.
Anyways, we are always talking about all the things we want, many of which are unrealistic, so it's only fair to have one measly thread, on one forum, that talks about what we will give up to get what we want.
If we don't sacrifice graphics it has to be something else. But what?
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted December 13, 2013 01:15 AM |
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Edited by artu at 03:47, 13 Dec 2013.
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The graphics will be new generation of course but
a)The adventure map can still be 2D which is way better.
b) The style can be simpler or more cartoonish (like they preserved it in Worms merchandise) and they can leave out the overgrotesque, tastless approach of armors with a zillion thorns and overmuscled body-builder warriors.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 13, 2013 01:29 AM |
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My biggest wish is for someone to make a 2D Kicstarter HoMM game.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 13, 2013 02:56 AM |
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Raelag84 said:
The Ubisoft pie is very large, but the heroes share of that pie is likely very small.
yeah, but maybe it's their mistake for releasing ultra-bugged games. it's not like they can blame concurrence.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted December 14, 2013 07:01 AM |
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Voted 'A little labour' because frankly, a working game is what is needed most of all, everything else can be sorted later.
@ Polyglot: Starcraft is anything but balanced, make the map too hilly or too flat and one faction or another is going to win more often than it should (Neo Electric Circuit is a good example, Terran has a major advantage vs Zerg, as does Zerg vs Protoss).
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JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted December 14, 2013 08:05 AM |
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My favourite in the series is number 2 followed by 5:TotE then 6 and 3 with 4 and 1 last. There's a very simple pattern there if you look at it. 2 has the most diversity followed by TotE then 6 and 3 and finally 4 and 1.
So snow balance, most players aren't hardcore multiplayers and will fix the biggest issues with rules anyway(no dd, no diplo, etc.)
I loved the graphics of H5 and 2. Very different approaches, very nearly perfect results in looks. The difference was that 2 ran on basically any computer at the time. 5 didn't run on anything, not only because of the graphics but also because of the ridiculously long end turn times in campaigns. Still, those town screens, my god those town screens. That flyby with the music, just perfection. I never get tired of that.
I'm okay for waiting for RMG for expansion too if there just are a decent amount of maps around. No 5 ten scenarios snow. I play these games with friends, there needs to be more maps to avoid repetition. you can patch them in after launch if you need to, that's no big deal, I'm sure sparing one guy to do maps isn't too much of an effort.
BUT GOD DAMN IT IF I HAVE TO PLAY ONE MORE FRICKING BUG FEST LIKE 5 OR 6 I WILL CRUCIFY THE WHOLE GODDAMN DEV TEAM. FIX YOUR LAUNCH GAMES FOR SNOW'S SAKE!
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted December 14, 2013 03:55 PM |
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I think the big issue will be, like in the previous Ubisoft titles, the developer. Being 99% sure new to the series will probably mean not a great release as we could expect for the third Ubisoft Heroes. Money won't be a problem if it's well allocated.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted December 15, 2013 01:33 AM |
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You think developers like releasing buggy games? if the game is released unfinished it's because the publisher wanted it out too soon.
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Raelag84
Famous Hero
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posted December 15, 2013 05:32 PM |
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MattII said:
You think developers like releasing buggy games? if the game is released unfinished it's because the publisher wanted it out too soon.
If that is the case then probably the most important thing we can sacrifice is time. We should be willing to wait for a good game. I did not put that option in the list though, because, I assumed that time was money so time effectively it would go in the money section.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted December 15, 2013 09:59 PM |
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MattII said:
You think developers like releasing buggy games? if the game is released unfinished it's because the publisher wanted it out too soon.
I'm just saying that if the dev works on a second Heroes, there're higher chances of releasing a better game than if a new dev is picked.
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Jiriki9
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Altar Dweller
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posted December 15, 2013 11:28 PM |
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graphics. to me, the best part is still 3 and that's because of GAMEPLAY. thus I'd rather see that gameplay perfctionized than investment in graphics!
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted December 16, 2013 09:08 AM |
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Raelag84 said:
If that is the case then probably the most important thing we can sacrifice is time. We should be willing to wait for a good game.
I would be, but unfortunately, Ubisoft sets the dates, and if the game isn't ready, it gets a bug-filled release.
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I'm just saying that if the dev works on a second Heroes, there're higher chances of releasing a better game than if a new dev is picked.
Tell that to Ubisoft.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted December 16, 2013 02:23 PM |
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MattII said:
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I'm just saying that if the dev works on a second Heroes, there're higher chances of releasing a better game than if a new dev is picked.
Tell that to Ubisoft.
¡It should be the VIPs who'd have to tell that to Ubisoft!
One day they may realize about this, maybe....
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted December 16, 2013 08:47 PM |
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Crap, just realised that I voted for what I though was most important to keep, not what should be sacrificed first.
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GMnemonic
Hired Hero
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posted December 19, 2013 05:23 PM |
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Not the graphics, graphics arent as expansive to make anymore as most people seem to believe and I can say that because I studied 3d animation. The cutscenes however are pretty pointless.
They should just keep the HOMM 6 engine they already got, fix all the flaws of the game add way more content and keep the graphics the same apart from the townscreens wich needs to be brought back to former glory.
As well as every gameplay part and diversity of wich they killed everything with HOMM 6.
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