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ChrisD1
ChrisD1


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posted August 30, 2014 10:49 AM

Poll Question:
Dragons as champion units.

would you like to see dragons as champion units in H7?
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Yes, I miss them dearly!
No, I want to see somethning else.
I don't mind because H7 is finally happening!!!
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Danny
Danny


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posted August 30, 2014 10:53 AM

Yes, I want them back!

Now that there will be twice as many Champions, it is unlikely that they would be left out.

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RMZ1989
RMZ1989


Supreme Hero
posted August 30, 2014 11:00 AM

I am not sure. On one hand I think that Dragons are overused and would like to see something else, but on the other hand we have 2 Champions for each faction now and Dragons can be good if done right so I am somewhere between NO and YES.
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Steyn
Steyn


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posted August 30, 2014 11:00 AM
Edited by Steyn at 11:01, 30 Aug 2014.

That's a difficult question. In my opinion dragons are more boss material than champion. However, as they need to fill two champion slots per faction, I'm afraid dragons will be needed as champion. What I don't want to see is those weak and unimpressive black dragons from heroes 6. If dragons return as champion, I hope it will be more like the heroes 4 black dragons. So dragons would be stronger champions, but with lower growth than regular champions. This would also be in-line with swordbearers being weaker than regularchampion champions, but having higher growth.

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Stevie
Stevie


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posted August 30, 2014 11:07 AM

I'd like to have dragons as bosses in faction lineups, unlockable by Grail Building: 4 Core, 3 Elite, 2 Champion, 1 Boss.

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Steyn
Steyn


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posted August 30, 2014 11:18 AM

Stevie said:
I'd like to have dragons as bosses in faction lineups, unlockable by Grail Building: 4 Core, 3 Elite, 2 Champion, 1 Boss.

^ this would be awesome

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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted August 30, 2014 11:21 AM

Steyn said:
That's a difficult question. In my opinion dragons are more boss material than champion. However, as they need to fill two champion slots per faction, I'm afraid dragons will be needed as champion. What I don't want to see is those weak and unimpressive black dragons from heroes 6. If dragons return as champion, I hope it will be more like the heroes 4 black dragons. So dragons would be stronger champions, but with lower growth than regular champions. This would also be in-line with swordbearers being weaker than regularchampion champions, but having higher growth.

Pretty much this.
But thank the Gods there are several factions with which Dragons make no sense and have zero precedence of having Dragons, like Haven, Stronghold, Inferno and Academy.
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Avonu
Avonu


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posted August 30, 2014 11:29 AM

War-overlord said:
But thank the Gods there are several factions with which Dragons make no sense and have zero precedence of having Dragons, like Haven

Celestial Dragon
War-overlord said:
Stronghold

Wywern (not really a dragon but close enough)
War-overlord said:
Inferno

Tiamat (7-headed dragon)
War-overlord said:
Academy

Dragon Golem

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ChrisD1
ChrisD1


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posted August 30, 2014 11:37 AM

how about the lore? i mean if they show up will they be like lesser dragons sent by dragon gods? a dragon god granted you another dragon almost same as him/her to fight at your side? what was the 50SoP balck dragon about(i missed that)?
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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted August 30, 2014 11:41 AM

Avonu said:
Haven: Celestial Dragon

Never been a unit and, if the dataminig is correct, we ain't seeing one as champion.

Avonu said:
Stronghold: Wywern (not really a dragon but close enough)

As you say yourself Wyvern=/=Dragon

Avonu said:
Inferno: Tiamat (7-headed dragon)

Never been a unit. Plus it conflicts with the lore.

Avonu said:
Academy: Dragon Golem

The Keyword here is Golem. If Dragon Golems are Dragon, just because they resemble them, then Gargoyles are Demons. Plus if the dataminig is correct, we ain't seeing one as champion.

When I say precedent, I mean there has yet to be a Heroes Game where the above mentioned factions has had a Dragon as a Unit.
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adriancat
adriancat


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posted August 30, 2014 11:43 AM

I want Black Dragons and "The Emerald Ones" back

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Avonu
Avonu


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Embracing light and darkness
posted August 30, 2014 11:46 AM
Edited by Avonu at 11:51, 30 Aug 2014.

@War-overlord

You have lots of new units in Duel of Champions, so why do you think that H7 couldn't have a new units too? I don't say that there must be new dragons, but if Ubisoft really wanted to have them, they would find a way to put them in line-ups. So you could have Celestial Dragon looked like mini-Elrath or 7-headed Chaos Dragon looked like Tiamat from D&D. You also need to change Wyvern look a little and it could resemble a dragon very much (such as in case of Kirin which is an Eastern Dragon in all but name and lore). And Wyverns (Pao Kais to be exactly) are described sometimes as "degenerated" dragons.

And about Dragon Golem - true but what is more important for players is how the unit looks and not what it really is. If Dragon Golem or Crystal Dragon looks like a living dragon, then it will be called that. Same in case of Kirins and Wyverns.
For us they will be water spirits, golems or magical beasts (for example) for majoity of players they will be dragons.
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VOKIALBG
VOKIALBG


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posted August 30, 2014 12:08 PM

Bring them back! All of the H3 dragons!
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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted August 30, 2014 12:17 PM

Avonu said:
@War-overlord

You have lots of new units in Duel of Champions, so why do you think that H7 couldn't have a new units too?.

I'm not saying they couldn't, I'm not even saying they shouldn't. I'm saying not all factions need Dragons. To that end, I say, let's keep Dragons out of factions that have never had Dragons.

Avonu said:
I don't say that there must be new dragons, but if Ubisoft really wanted to have them, they would find a way to put them in line-ups.

You are all to right about this, but let us pray they do not. Surely they must've understood the complaint leveled at HeroesV, that people were bored of the fact that every other 7th-tier creature was a Dragon of some form or another.

Avonu said:
So you could have ... 7-headed Chaos Dragon looked like Tiamat from D&D

This conflicts with the Lore. Inferno and the Demons are supposed to be the antithesis of everything the Dragon-gods created and the Dragons themselves. They would sooner kill Dragons rather than side with some and vice versa.

Avonu said:
And about Dragon Golem - true but what is more important for players is how the unit looks and not what it really is. If Dragon Golem or Crystal Dragon looks like a living dragon, then it will be called that. Same in case of Kirins and Wyverns.
For us they will be water spirits, golems or magical beasts (for example) for majoity of players they will be dragons.

The ignorance of others is never a strong argument. Ignorance of the law is not sufficient reason to break it. Ignorance of the lore by others is no reason to throw it overboard.
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Zeki
Zeki


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posted August 30, 2014 12:36 PM

Steyn said:
If dragons return as champion, I hope it will be more like the heroes 4 black dragons. So dragons would be stronger champions, but with lower growth than regular champions. This would also be in-line with swordbearers being weaker than regularchampion champions, but having higher growth.

Exactly this! H4 black Dragons felt so right and for me, there can't ne enough Dragons^^
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Stevie
Stevie


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posted August 30, 2014 12:37 PM

The current Tier system makes dragons feel too mundane. Dragons are supposed to be the peak of power in Ashan, so I find it ridiculous that they are so common to so many factions. I reckon such magical beings would be attracted to the power of a Tear of Asha and become recruitable to the respective town as bosses. That's what I would like to see.

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mvassilev
mvassilev


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posted August 30, 2014 12:57 PM

I like the idea of Dragons as Grail creatures, but having them as champion units works too, as long as there aren't too many of them. Dungeon should definitely have one - it's tradition. It works in Sylvan, too. After that, it crosses into "too many dragons" territory.
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War-overlord
War-overlord


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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted August 30, 2014 12:58 PM

mvassilev said:
I like the idea of Dragons as Grail creatures, but having them as champion units works too, as long as there aren't too many of them. Dungeon should definitely have one - it's tradition. It works in Sylvan, too. After that, it crosses into "too many dragons" territory.

Does that go for Bone Dragons in Necropolis as well?
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Storm-Giant
Storm-Giant


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posted August 30, 2014 01:05 PM

I'd love to have Dragons as Champion units, just don't add too many dragons like in H5.

Having all dragons as bosses would be boring imo (and no, I don't like the idea of recruiting bosses in town).
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Stevie
Stevie


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posted August 30, 2014 01:10 PM

Because I said it, right?

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