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Zombi_Wizzard
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posted April 07, 2015 11:41 PM |
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Protolisk said:
Gryphs said:
But if it was not for Tolkien Ashan would not exist.
Then our goal is clear. We must kill Tolkien before he wrote anything, so tgat Ashan seems more original.
Ummm you mean, we must go back in time, and kill Tolkien, so that we will destroy Ashan? ... that's ... so crazy it just might work. I shall begin to prepare my time machine at once! When you are reading this, you will notice Tolkien is dead, so this actualy worked, but we got some complications and ... well ... we kinda have Erwan now. Sorry 
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted April 07, 2015 11:42 PM |
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Protolisk said:
Then our goal is clear. We must kill Tolkien before he wrote anything, so tgat Ashan seems more original.
Then it would just be based off of another popular thing because ultimately Ashan is a "business" world it exists solely to make money so taking the most popular things around is natural.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2015 01:07 AM |
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He said "seems more orginal", not "doesn't exist"
Actually, you know what would be rich for me after this game? If people actually started to like the Spider Cult, because of Heroes 7's writing, but then Ubi sticks to the lore and removes all symbolism, because "the Spider Cult has fallen with that war".
It's a carefully planned trolling attempt, I call it. 
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 08, 2015 02:08 AM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 02:08, 08 Apr 2015.
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GenyaArikado said:
Avisrob considers spending more than 10 seconds reading a nasty habit
Nah, only when the writing isn't very good.
I actually favor text boxes over cutscenes so there's that.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2015 05:14 AM |
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Gryphs said:
Sligneris said:
Nah, Tolkien's work is very good, even great. I just wasn't sure if I'd call it a 'masterpiece'. 
But if it was not for Tolkien M&M franchise would not exist.
ftfy
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2015 08:25 AM |
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^ Yep, kinda. Acting like only Ashan was inspired by other fantasy media, but claiming that older games were a Totally Original Vision out of Nowhere is a bit naive. Original universe's necromancers were so generic it hurts.
Frankly, considering that, I don't exactly see why Verrkier got a quality point for that post earlier - it's hardly any real contribution to actual discussion, it's just some preaching that a moderator simply agreed with.
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I never said that
I know, but some people here definitely act like this.
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Regardless, I like the 'experimental scholar' approach better than I like the 'hypocritical religious fanatic' approach.
That's partly why I don't have much of a problem with Academy.
Like Erwan said, the early days of the Spider Cult were like this, so it's not impossible to do in Necro. Either way, while I like the spider ideology, I still believe their portrayal was a bit lackluster in Heroes 6.
The only reason they're supposed to have buddhism-like views is because they renounced the passions of life in order to seek eternal perfection - but because of that, they lose their regard for life. This problem should've been brought up more visibly in Heroes 6, focus on the values they tend to neglect, rather than take full on religious approach.
That being said, Necromancers were such a strong religious cult for only 300 years, so...
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 08, 2015 08:30 AM |
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Regardless, I like the 'experimental scholar' approach better than I like the 'hypocritical religious fanatic' approach.
That's partly why I don't have much of a problem with Academy.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted April 08, 2015 08:35 AM |
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Sligneris said:
but claiming that older games were a Totally Original Vision out of Nowhere is a bit naive
I never said that.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 08, 2015 09:03 AM |
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Sligneris said:
Frankly, considering that, I don't exactly see why Verrkier got a quality point for that post earlier - it's hardly any real contribution to actual discussion, it's just some preaching that a moderator simply agreed with....
It gave me a laugh, that has to count for something 
Sorry for the lack of replies, I have not even found the time to read the last 10+ pages. They grow so fast 
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted April 08, 2015 11:59 AM |
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Elvin said:
Sligneris said:
Frankly, considering that, I don't exactly see why Verrkier got a quality point for that post earlier - it's hardly any real contribution to actual discussion, it's just some preaching that a moderator simply agreed with....
It gave me a laugh, that has to count for something
Does it, though? It is things like this that make this entire forum come across as greatly biased and has prompted people to leave and contemplate leaving.
I am very well aware that the mods here have a difficult job to do and often not a lot of time to do it in. And I sympathise with the mods greatly, but your lack of active presence is sorely missed.
But this kind of posts, which are not very contributive at best and plain trolling at worst, does nothing to the discussion but disrupt it. It isn't lighthearted mockery designed bring some levity to the discussion. And if it is, it greatly fails and it comes across to me as just another piece of Fan Dumb that has been allowed to run so rampant of late.
This rewarding makes it seem that Anti-Ashan Trolling is actively encouraged. On the other hand, people standing up to this kind of behaviour, not all of them saints themselves, are often the targets of ad-hominem attacks or even penalized. The recent treatment of Kimarous is a good example. I do not condone his outbursts, but he struck a cord with several people. If all members are treated equal, then some people are treated more equal than others.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted April 08, 2015 12:07 PM |
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2015 12:13 PM |
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So, basically im screwed to like 3 minutes of the flood protect but he gets qps despite derailing every thread into his "lolashansuks"? He claims that he doesnt believe in the superiority of any kind of fan but you are a brainwashed spider erwan fan if you DARE to believe that the post Ubi games arent pure snow in every sense.. Thats bullying and the reason i insult him and the others.
Who the snow thought the QP thing being needed to be able to post was a good idea? I mean, it might have been once but now in thus half dead forum whose mods barely bother to read it isnt?
At this point i outright dislike the moderation members because not only they have been negligent (which i can understand, moderation isnt a job) but outright encouraging of the whole thing (by awarding qps consistently to these users for these posts)
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted April 08, 2015 12:21 PM |
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Isn't it funny how the whole universe is biased against Ashan? I mean, not only the HC forum, but the writers of the very universe you defend. I mean, me, Verriker, Galaad and Stevie got invited to the fan event, the biggest critics and loud mouths that mock the existence of such a fantasy universe got invited to Paris, on developer's expense to go and meet the writer of this universe. So God, Allah, Zeus, Ra, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Nuclear Strong Force or whatever deity patrons over this universe which shelters our mortal coils has made such a twist of fate, an irony of destiny, then emerges the question: is it worth defending Ashan?
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2015 01:00 PM |
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Well, no. If we took fansites as accurate representations of the public view on something, Resident Evil and Tomb Raider would be deader than dead for abandoning their roots and God of War would be an irrelevant game played by no one
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 08, 2015 01:03 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
1) So, basically im screwed to like 3 minutes of the flood protect but he gets qps despite derailing every thread into his "lolashansuks"?
2) He claims that he doesnt believe in the superiority of any kind of fan but you are a brainwashed spider erwan fan if you DARE to believe that the post Ubi games arent pure snow in every sense..
3)Thats bullying and the reason i insult him and the others.
4) Who the snow thought the QP thing being needed to be able to post was a good idea? I mean, it might have been once but now in thus half dead forum whose mods barely bother to read it isnt?
1) I takes more than one to derail a discussion.
2) Seems a bit out of proportion.
3) I find it more akin to 'friendly teasing', which shouldn't warrant hostile outbursts.
4) I doubt the QPs have much to do with the steady decline of interest.
Look at Celestial Heavens for instance. No QP system there.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted April 08, 2015 01:16 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
Well, no. If we took fansites as accurate representations of the public view on something, Resident Evil and Tomb Raider would be deader than dead for abandoning their roots and God of War would be an irrelevant game played by no one
The fact is that Ashan cares too much about lore. I would just enjoy the game by playing random maps and don't touch the campaign if the lore was just present there. But in Ashan case, no, everything must be lore perfectly, graphics must be made in such a way they agree 100% with lore, everything must be according to lore, lore must be omnipresent. I mean I'm not chasing UFOs in Heroes 3, even if Forge was nearly in the game, they listened to the fans and scrapped it. For example in H5, even if the same awful lore was present, I didn't bothered with the campaigns, the Necropolis was spiderfree and I could play it in other maps.
Just replace zombies in resident evil with spiders and tell me if that's resident evil anymore. The zombies were a main trope
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 08, 2015 01:28 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Just replace zombies in resident evil with spiders and tell me if that's resident evil anymore. The zombies were a main trope
RE4 didn't have zombies an that's considered the best in the franchise
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2015 01:30 PM |
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Resident Evil adheres very strictly to his lore and has abandoned zombies since 2004 actually.
I understand disliking the aesthetics and lore. What i dont understand is why the game should adhere to someone else's definition of a being more than its own and callimg the game unoriginal and ripoff for that, which you do.
Avirosb said:
1) I takes more than one to derail a discussion.
2) Seems a bit out of proportion.
3) I find it more akin to 'friendly teasing', which shouldn't warrant hostile outbursts.
4) I doubt the QPs have much to do with the steady decline of interest.
Look at Celestial Heavens for instance. No QP system there.
1- He does more than one, given the latest H7 thread derail about Erwan
2 and 3- You arent on the recieving end. What do you know?
4- I'm not claiming it has. Im claiming that given the decline of interest, the qp system affecting posting abilities is unneeded
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2015 01:42 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
is it worth defending Ashan?
I... believe it is.
Unjust decisions of others is hardly any proof otherwise. Just because you find validation amongst others, it does not make you right - and no matter how much you may believe so, your personal opinions are not objective facts. There's a bias against one kind of fans and no matter how much you might deny the current universe its quality, it does not make mistreating its fanbase any less a problem.
I agree with points brought up by War-Overlord and GenyaArikado so far.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 08, 2015 01:54 PM |
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i believe Sligneris deserves a QP for defending Ashan without being a total tool about it.
seriously, it's nice having someone enjoying and defending Ashan in a friendly manner. keep it up 
unlike someone else i could mention...
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