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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 01:30 PM |
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Come guys please vote inferno I want the chance to see a fresh story with the faction. No eclipses! Its their chance to expand the factio beyond them just being about smashing people.
I want to see how they manipulate the children of ashan, why good men and women sell their souls to demons. Even why would they forsake the dragon gods of ashan to worship urgash.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 01:31 PM |
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Galaad said:
Reading most of your posts, it looks like you dislike a lot of core aspects of the franchise so, I've been wondering, what is it that you like regarding HoMM ?
The core aspect of the game for me (since you wonder) is the gameplay which focuses on strategy and the turn-based nature of it, the lore of course, which i after checking my calendar and my pc thoroughly, i discovered we're in the brink of 2015 and in Ashan. So lore is important for me and if this game is going with Ashan then i must accept that and move on with that.
Also the faction scheme is a very important element of the game. Imagine a heroes with no factions?
I think these are more than enough for me to be the "soul" of this game.
Last time i checked these 3 element were consistent in every heroes game i played.
now i wonder what made you wonder! oh well..
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Charrclaw
Known Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 01:35 PM |
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Honestly, Inferno is more original and diverse than Dungeon. If I can pick, i wouldn't want 2 elf factions.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 01:36 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 13:38, 03 Oct 2014.
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Marzhin said:
ChrisD1 said:
As, I think that, fury was pushed (awesome new detailed artwork for blade dancer,bland and used artowrk for others) the same way dungeon will be pushed.
There wasn't a consensus even within Ubi. I wanted Strength, some of my colleagues were for Balance or Fury...
We just happened to have an unused Blade Dancer concept art from a past project that wouldn't actually led to be sued by Games Workshop, so we used it. I don't think one single artwork can have that much of an impact anyway. Especially considering the big label indicating H7 Bade Dancer might not even look like that. (Of course, that would imply people actually read the texts...)
I think it's more likely most fans just liked the H5 Sylvan and wanted something similar. That's life.
Now don't get me wrong, I can live with Fury. I think the Stags will be pretty cool. The only line-up I didn't really like was Balance.
relax i said what i said wearing my tin-foil fedora, i didn't actually mean it. the hat is off now. hence the disclaimer from the start of my post.
but speculating about medusae in dungeon,the nostalgia-hungry fans will fall on dungeon like a rat on a cheeto. are we going to get any concept artwork in this vote or more info from "kaspar"?
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 01:47 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 13:52, 03 Oct 2014.
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Stormcaller said:
It was 44% yesterday, now it's 43%
Sigh... This voting is even worse cause it feels close yet you know somehow Inferno wont win anyway in the end.
It's Black Dragon's and nostalgia's fault.
Yup we have to contend with that as well considering the fact that the black dragon is not guaranteed and people are voting just because of that unit. We KNOW we are getting a fresh perspective on inferno something people kept complaining about they are giving us a chance to finally have a inferno story which is not involving them smashing stuff for the sake of it and eclipses!
New and interesting lore details people said the world building for inferno is great but the stories told of them are poor this is our chance to have a new story.
Please vote for it instead of voting for "possible" units.
*looks at the unicorn and phoenix*
So much for iconic units of the series, guys vote for a chance for a fresh story on inferno!
Vote urgash! Vote for demons/devils!
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted October 03, 2014 02:05 PM |
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Inferno had its chance to not be "Let's destroy everything!" faction in Heroes 6 & Clash of Heroes.
Now its time to get them on side till expansion.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 03, 2014 02:05 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 14:14, 03 Oct 2014.
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ChrisD1 said:
after checking my calendar and my pc thoroughly, i discovered we're in the brink of 2015 and in Ashan. So lore is important for me and if this game is going with Ashan then i must accept that and move on with that.
You bring here an interesting point. I see it in a complete different manner. You see, for me, Ashan and Enroth/Antagarish are both tied together by the franchise. Meaning I see both lores part of a main one : HoMM. That's my way of seeing it. Bringing the franchise into a new world isn't something I'm against, unless it's so much at the expense of the previous one.
Remember the writer has all the power to make everything connect and can twist all he wants. It is a big responsibility to create a new world for an already existent and successful game, and it should match better than this imo.
This is why I strongly disagree with you here.
ChrisD1 said:
Last time i checked these 3 element were consistent in every heroes game i played.
Regarding strategy, need I say more except that after 15 years of playing H3 I still discover new ways to play it.. 
There is, to me, another strong element of the franchise : Atmosphere.
Atmosphere is defined by graphics and lore. The world, the environment you dive into. Maybe it is different for you, but I see a big difference between NWC and Ubi's atmosphere, and I always grieved that. Not that one is better than another, just that there are not expressing the same thing. Factions as you point you, shouldn't change that much. For example, I always associated Sylvan with Nature and Mythology, and I was furious mad when it got replaced by generic elves. That is, effect of new lore affecting old one instead of improving it. I hope you get my going.
Now I start to think the best remaining two factions for H7 would have been Fortress and Sanctuary : have something fresh without altering things from the past for the greater sadness of many.
Then we get proper older towns in expansions. Old fans happy, new fans happy, business working.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 02:15 PM |
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Wellplay said:
Inferno had its chance to not be "Let's destroy everything!" faction in Heroes 6 & Clash of Heroes.
Now its time to get them on side till expansion.
Well Marzhin said our story won't involve blood moons or eclipses that's enough to give them a chance its been a main complaint of the faction for a long time now.
They said they are giving us something different now why not take the opportunity?
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted October 03, 2014 02:18 PM |
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Returning Medusa as a dark Naga who abandoned worshiping Shalassa and turned to Malassa would be a very interesting concept. I really hope we see it as a possible unit in on of the line-ups.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 03, 2014 02:30 PM |
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Now I would like to point out one thing. We know Ubi reuses as much resources as possible. Either to reduce the cost of the development or to use those resources on something else. We can see this on the Haven's lineup were 4,5/8 units are only updated versions of H6 models with the same animation. And face it, it is most likely why we will get the Griffin as a Campaign special unit, since it's model and animation is already done since H6. Even Academi units seem to be leftovers from H6 original development, or at least part of them.
This might also be the reason why the votes are organized as they are. Sylvan and Fortress were both missing in H6, and therefore needed to be done from scratch, while Inferno and Dungeon have a base in H6 models. Ubi played it safe, this way they knew they had 1 faction to create and one to update.
I'm writing this for all of you who wish for a fresh new Dungeon or a fresh new Inferno. At least half of the units will most likely be reused and updated from H6 models. Different color and abilities, but the same base.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 02:32 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 14:35, 03 Oct 2014.
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Honestly Dave? I just really want that fresh inferno story. 
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted October 03, 2014 02:39 PM |
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But there can always be efreets!! 
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted October 03, 2014 02:44 PM |
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I don't think they ever said anything about efreet being a possible creature.
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Valen-Teen
Famous Hero
UFOlolOgist
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posted October 03, 2014 02:47 PM |
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I guess we will get 3 line-ups vote and there is efreeti in one of line-ups...
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Our hopes for Heroes VIII!
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted October 03, 2014 02:50 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Now I would like to point out one thing. We know Ubi reuses as much resources as possible. Either to reduce the cost of the development or to use those resources on something else. We can see this on the Haven's lineup were 4,5/8 units are only updated versions of H6 models with the same animation […]
I'm writing this for all of you who wish for a fresh new Dungeon or a fresh new Inferno. At least half of the units will most likely be reused and updated from H6 models. Different color and abilities, but the same base.
May be, but look how people were sattisfied with the new Haven lineup. Although movement animations are similar/the same, their designs might differ greatly. The abilities aren't also that similar. Heroes 2 was also just Heroes 1 on steroids and I was praised by fans. We can still have a great game, even with reused assets. 
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 02:51 PM |
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blizz said:
I don't think they ever said anything about efreet being a possible creature.
Efreet is an established Inferno creature in Ashan. I linked the DoC card some pages back.
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jeremiahemo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 03:03 PM |
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oh man, I'm not interested with either of these factions.
Guys, my vote is up on the air, whoever can convince me will have me on their side.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted October 03, 2014 03:05 PM |
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jeremiahemo said:
Guys, my vote is up on the air, whoever can convince me will have me on their side.
Ashan Dungeon is ruled by females 
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 03:08 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
jeremiahemo said:
Guys, my vote is up on the air, whoever can convince me will have me on their side.
Ashan Dungeon is ruled by females
Ahahahhahaha 
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted October 03, 2014 03:11 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 15:11, 03 Oct 2014.
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lokdron said:
Wellplay said:
Inferno had its chance to not be "Let's destroy everything!" faction in Heroes 6 & Clash of Heroes.
Now its time to get them on side till expansion.
Well Marzhin said our story won't involve blood moons or eclipses that's enough to give them a chance its been a main complaint of the faction for a long time now.
They said they are giving us something different now why not take the opportunity?
True.
But unavoidable might be that we gona fight against Inferno in the end.
Cause we don't know what Seamus of Stag might do when close to losing.
He might even turn to Inferno for help cause they could be mastermind behind whole civil war.
Then we end up with Inferno as antagonist again.
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