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Thread: Different editing politic for modding threads This thread is 7 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 · «PREV / NEXT»
fred79
fred79


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
posted November 19, 2014 04:39 PM
Edited by fred79 at 16:53, 19 Nov 2014.

Salamandre said:
orzie said:
I can't imagine Fred


haha, Fred decided one day that people didn't thank him enough then deleted his links, pics and some of his posts, before leaving-for a while-. So I would say Fred is the perfect candidate for Xarfax succession.

I am not criticizing the thing. My opinion is that people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their posts, edit or delete. It is by adding restrictions and not handling the requests that such of those attitudes can be triggered. Is easy to prohibit.


/off-topic: back that truck up, sal. i NEVER deleted links to my object patch, and only pictures of work-in-progress(never the actual pics showing what was in my mod). and as for any posts i ever deleted, they didn't hold ANY worthwhile information(at least in the WoG forum. i still regret what i deleted in the osm().

comparing me with someone who deleted WORTHWHILE modding stuff for the community, is wrong.

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LizardWarrior
LizardWarrior


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Age of erwins is over
posted November 19, 2014 05:35 PM

Stevie said:
But it begs for QP awarding. And it needs regular updates done by Mods, which they won't be happy with. And it doesn't solve the problem of modders wanting to easy edit without restrictions.


So moderators prefer to edit all threads instead of CTRL+C and CTRL+V ? Does it beg for QP awarding? Limit removal would be available for all, not only for posts with QPs, the later are saved so no quality content can be lost.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted November 19, 2014 07:56 PM

fred79 said:
comparing me with someone who deleted WORTHWHILE modding stuff for the community, is wrong.


I couldn't agree more. How could you delete your "WORTHWHILE modding stuff"?

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fred79
fred79


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Undefeatable Hero
posted November 19, 2014 09:09 PM

bloodsucker said:
I couldn't agree more. How could you delete your "WORTHWHILE modding stuff"?


/off-topic: true enough. most of my old stuff is horribly obsolete, compared to what i've been doing for the last year or so. keep that in mind, when you think you are actually insulting me.

your personal distaste for me, is not only infantile, but misguided; and unhelpful, to say the least.

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OhforfSake
OhforfSake


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Initiate
posted November 19, 2014 09:14 PM

I'm pretty sure it's a joke.
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fred79
fred79


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posted November 19, 2014 09:16 PM

it's not, trust me.

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Valeriy
Valeriy

Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
posted November 19, 2014 10:16 PM

Some good ideas, thanks to those who made them. But I want to ask people to refrain from provocation. If you are feeling too negatively to contribute positive ideas and feel the need to spew negativity I ask you to leave this thread and let others focus on finding a solution. By posting negative nonsense you're also wasting my time for having to read through it, and thus delaying the solution that you supposedly want. I get that you're frustrated, but we need to be constructive to move forward.

Risk with moderators - there is always a risk with anyone, but moderators are chosen based on a different set of criteria, with QPs, creations and contributions not being the number 1 factor.

The important thing is that we are always relying on goodwill of people. If people collectively decided to stuff up the forum, I think it would be very hard to come up with all the protections required to stop them. So we rely on honor and goodwill every day. However there are some genuinely offensive people, and more rarely there are people who seem positive and suddenly turn very spiteful. Only a small number, but it is worth having something that prevents them from doing serious damage.

I say this to make my thinking clear. I would rather not get distracted with a philosophical discussion right now - better to focus on making the solution.

bloodsucker said:
Since this is compatible with my current ambitions about this site (organize my information so I can learn the modding tricks I still miss) I offer myself as volunteer to help with the reindexing of the pages in new subforuns in WoG and Beyond.


Having a good index in WoG and Beyond would be a great help to the community, especially for newcomers

Now onto the ideas:

"Modder" rank - an interesting idea, but creating a parallel system of ranks to standard "hero" ranks is excessive just because we want people to edit some old posts. Then this brings in user nomination, promotion, etc. I prefer the thread rating idea because it achieves a similar result (moderator can see who posted the thread when ranking it "project"), it is simpler, and it is safer (only marked threads could potentially be "nuked").

At this stage it seems that the "project" rating is our best way forward. It solves the problem on all forums, allows good moderator oversight, and allows unlimited edits of the first post in a thread.

We just need a failsafe. Automatic storage of post content as a text file upon editing is an interesting idea, thanks Orzie. This is fairly easy to set up (as opposed to setting up a special forum) and I think it's not hard to make these files expire after a certain length of time. It should also be possible to make repeated edits within a short space of time not generate additional text files.

Let me know if you have any thoughts on the downsides or improvements for this idea. Let's keep the discussion focused and constructive.
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fred79
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posted November 19, 2014 10:25 PM

the "backup post" idea is good(and is a great way to make sure nobody can delete worthwhile info). but to be clear, who will be editing the posts themselves? the posters, or the mods(by request)?

with the "backup post" feature in place, i don't see why the posters wouldn't have full editing control, anymore...

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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted November 19, 2014 10:48 PM

Valeriy said:
We just need a failsafe. Automatic storage of post content as a text file upon editing is an interesting idea, thanks Orzie. This is fairly easy to set up (as opposed to setting up a special forum) and I think it's not hard to make these files expire after a certain length of time. It should also be possible to make repeated edits within a short space of time not generate additional text files.


Just out of curiousity, but are those textfiles then only available to you, or would the moderators have access to them as well? In case of a nuke, the former would mean you have to do all the restore work yourself, while in the latter, the moderators could assist of course.

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Valeriy
Valeriy

Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
posted November 20, 2014 12:18 AM

First post in the thread will be edited by the poster after the thread is rated as "project" by a moderator.

My intention is to make the text files accessible to moderators.
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fred79
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posted November 20, 2014 12:45 AM

cool. i think that idea will work for everyone.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted November 20, 2014 03:10 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 15:14, 20 Nov 2014.

Valeriy said:
First post in the thread will be edited by the poster after the thread is rated as "project" by a moderator.

My intention is to make the text files accessible to moderators.



This is much better then the previous rule but for instance the tutorial with an error I mentioned in the first post doesn't fall under this scope. The same with the bug I've found in TDS; it isn't  project, it has been closed for years. And I expect to be able to "find" some more in the "Palace of Dreams" (it is there I just don't know in wich line and why, but it is there).

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Doomforge
Doomforge


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Retired Hero
posted November 20, 2014 04:19 PM

Didn't read all of the thread (lack of time ) but I always pictured that we could kinda keep the old system with some improvements.

For instance (not sure if this can be implemented), we could allow moderators to flag old threads "editable" on request and have them confirm the edit after it has been made?

Because we did have users nuking old valuable threads and it created a lot of confusion. We don't want that, really.
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Valeriy
Valeriy

Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
posted November 22, 2014 10:32 PM
Edited by Valeriy at 11:27, 23 Nov 2014.

OK, I've programmed the new system, now it needs testing.

I've enhanced the error message that displays when a user edits a post that is over 1 year old. It now gives more detailed instructions:

Quote:
This post is protected from editing because it is over 1 year old. Ask a moderator if it needs to be changed or deleted.

In your request to the moderator: provide a direct link to the post that you want to be edited, state the reason, and copy & paste the updated text of the post.

You can also ask a moderator to assign a 'project' rating to your thread - the 'project' rating allows the thread creator to edit the first post of the thread without restrictions.


The moderators can now assign a "project" rating to threads via the thread rating system. This rating is not accessible to high QP members who can rate threads. This rating is searchable in thread filters on top of forum display pages. The rating can be assigned in any forum, so this solution is for the whole of HC, not just for the modding forums.

Threads with this rating will allow the thread creator to edit the first post of the thread any number of times, regardless of how long ago the thread was posted. Stealth editing option will not work here and the thread will always be bumped to the top of the list so that the moderator can notice and look at the edit.

A backup file will be made when a project post edit is performed. To avoid complicated programming these files will only be accessible to myself at this point, but I could easily download them and send to moderators if needed.

My thinking here is that moderators will be selective when giving a 'project' rating, and give it only to responsible members and only when there is a need for ongoing editing. So the risk of thread nuking will thus be pretty low. The moderators can notice a thread nuke by looking at the bumped thread (because stealth editing won't work here), so nobody will need to spend time going through the backup files or edit approval dialogs.

If a nuke is detected, the moderator just needs to contact me and tell me the ID of the thread/s and I can send them the backup files for restoration. Upon restoring the post, they can change thread rating from 'project' to something else to prevent re-nuking.

There will also be some instances when a user wants a one-off opportunity to edit the first post of a thread. If the edit is comprehensive, a moderator could set the 'project' rating temporarily and take it away when the editing is completed. This will allow the user to perform multiple edits and ensure that everything looks right. I doubt that people will be asking for a temporary project rating to perform a nuke, but the safety of the backup file will always be there just in case.

So, now we need to test this. Could a volunteer approach Corribus, and Corribus could you assign a 'project' rating to just one thread? Post here when the rating and multiple edits on first post of the thread have been made or if you encounter any errors. I'll check how the backup system is working on this end.
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LizardWarrior
LizardWarrior


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Age of erwins is over
posted November 22, 2014 10:34 PM

Awesome! I could test that with my Romanian Tonw project I will HCM Corribus

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OhforfSake
OhforfSake


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posted November 22, 2014 11:12 PM

Looking forward to see how well this works.
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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


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posted November 23, 2014 01:40 AM

LizardWarrior said:
Awesome! I could test that with my Romanian Tonw project I will HCM Corribus


Great, I was exactly thinking your RT is a serious candidat for "Project", you have made a lot of changes of the last year.

I feel all this rules are way too complicate and presume contibutions to be property of Heroes Community instead of poster, something I don't agree (specially since we don't recieve any payment) but at least is a step the right direction.

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Corribus
Corribus

Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted November 23, 2014 03:14 AM

Lizard Warrior was the first to volunteer, so we'll test with one of his threads.

Have at it.

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=39546

By the way - I wonder if it's possible/worthwhile to better highlight threads that are set to this status to they are more visible. Such as a specialized graphic in one of the far left columns?
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orzie
orzie


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Supreme Hero
Reinventing the Steel
posted November 23, 2014 08:18 AM

Hooray, sounds good. Pity that I'll lose the Inspiring rank, but anyway the current h3sw thread is not created by me and I'll anyway recreate it.

However, the new The Succession Wars Mod thread will be.called Official, and this is a giant step forward. Thanks a lot for concerning the issue!

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted November 23, 2014 08:53 AM

orzie said:
Pity that I'll lose the Inspiring rank


because you think inspiring rank came from holy spirit? It's me who set it. Make a new thread and I will promote it using my divine nature.
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