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Aionb
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posted February 02, 2015 07:20 PM

If tens of millions hadn't been imprisoned, tortured and killed in the name of that figure (in your country and in mine as well), this could have been funny.

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Orzie
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posted February 02, 2015 07:52 PM
Edited by Orzie at 19:54, 02 Feb 2015.

1) It's a Necropolis building.

2) Who are you to tell me who that person is?

Let's remove Jesus' depictions from everywhere. Millions were killed in the name of that figure.

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Aionb
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posted February 02, 2015 08:10 PM
Edited by Aionb at 20:17, 02 Feb 2015.

My friend, no need to be jumpy. I wouldn't want to go more off-topic, but I'll just say one thing and then I'll drop it:
Mr. Jesus and his apprentices did not invent the concentration camps in the '20's (and even named them as such in the official legislation), way before the rise of German nationalism. Mr. Lenin did, together with his beloved Party.
For instance, the books of your great countryman Alexandr Soljenitin could easily enlighten you on the matter.
(while the removal of mr. J shouldn't hurt anyone, anyway )
Peace!

Later edit: I forgot to mention that my initial post wasn't aggressive at all, even if did not contain any smylies - I don't use them very much.

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posted February 02, 2015 08:22 PM

It still amuses me how easily people throw away the victory in the WWII in the name of the same figure and forget the restored freedom of all Europe. I still wonder if our grandgrandfathers' deaths were worth it all.

Soljenitzyn was a great writer. Genial I would say. His unique insights on the epoch give a real lot about the interior of the USSR... but he is a strictly anti-soviet writer, and by reading his books you just see only one side of the medal, with blood and deaths which are an inevitable matter of all revolutions.

And yeah, this dialog deserves a place in the OSM.

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posted February 02, 2015 09:46 PM

Lol, it's "the other side of the medal/medallion" in my language, too. Native English speakers usually say "the other side of the coin." Btw, it's been so long since I've read Soljenitzyn, there was this short novel where they were in a prison or labor camp, building a brick wall... Anyway, if I remember correctly his stories took place much later than Lenin's time? And even if we put aside Soljenitzyn, doesnt that stuff really get heavy during Stalin's time? Same goes with WW2 btw, I wouldnt associate it with Lenin at all.
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posted February 02, 2015 09:58 PM
Edited by Orzie at 22:04, 02 Feb 2015.

Well, it was a very rough association. Same as making Lenin and communism equal.

Soljenitzyn caught a big time gap really, but he barely met Lenin's times.

The trick is that Lenin is posed like a tyrant and killer on the West thanks to uncle Sam, while Stalin could be described like that much more. We have statues of Lenin everywhere, but no statues of Stalin actually.
(and what a coincidence, Lenin's statues are being vandalized and demolished in Ukraine since 2014)

The mentioned joke itself covers Lenin's body being stationed in Mausoleum in Moscow, so we often make fun of that fact using Necropolis assets.

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Aionb
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posted February 02, 2015 10:04 PM
Edited by Aionb at 22:07, 02 Feb 2015.

Well, in the hope our discussion will get moved, I'll say some more:

You know, what you are saying above are perfect examples of classical propaganda. I've heard it and read it so often ... I can not take it seriously, it just saddens me.
As for the dear Soljenitzyn, he was not an anti-soviet writer, he was simply a writer/speaker of the truth.
It's like calling Shostakovich an anti-soviet composer because of his 4'th or 13'th symphonies. Or calling him an anti-tsarist composer because of his 11'th symphony.
Speaking of Shostakovich, let me present a little example: do you know why Shostakovich did not get into prison? Because his own investigator, who was investigating him as a potential "traitor of the nation" got arrested! Under the very same charge of beeing a "traitor of the nation".
Oh, and Shostakovich was investigated for the simple fact that he was friends with some guy who also got charged as "traitor of the nation". While the only connection between him and that guy was to meet and play the piano together.
How does that sound for the reign of terror in a police/communist state? Whose co-founder is the very figure from which we started this conversation
(The Shostakovich example is just one among tens of millions, as I said. Most of which ended up dead or with their lives irremediably destroyed).
And please, bear in mind that what I'm saying has nothing to do with Russia, but with a political system (which was present in my country as well and for whose perpetuation my own countrymen are just as guilty).

@ artu: "One day in the life of Ivan Denisovich" is indeed the novel for which he received the Nobel. His main and most devastating work is, however, "The Gulag Archipelago". If this discussion continues I could also tell you how this book got published (after the woman who typed it and kept an exemplary for herself got tortured and killed by the State Police).

Orzie said:

The mentioned joke itself covers Lenin's body being stationed in Mausoleum in Moscow, so we often make fun of that fact using Necropolis assets.


Now, that's a nice joke indeed, I had now ideea about it.

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posted February 02, 2015 10:07 PM
Edited by Orzie at 22:11, 02 Feb 2015.

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As for the dear Soljenitzyn, he was not an anti-soviet writer, he was simply a writer/speaker of the truth.

Pfft. Being anti-soviet or pro-soviet doesn't make anyone the ultimate truth. And you are telling me about propaganda. Soljenitzyn wrote what he saw, but it is not a detailed biography. It's a prism of view. There was a lot to see and describe, but if you are a writer and you want to place a message in your book, you'll have to filter the info.

Most of the described horrors of Soviet terror were not experienced neither by you, nor by your country. Dixi.

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posted February 02, 2015 10:16 PM

This is the perfect picture of the state of Heroes 3 HD by Ubi . Talking about communism is far more interesting
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posted February 02, 2015 10:18 PM
Edited by Orzie at 22:20, 02 Feb 2015.

Well, like I said, Lenin is associated with pure cold war-timed communism (discussed in jokes most often) only on the West.
So that we can see Yuri from Red Alert and Kane from C&C using the same identity feats.

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posted February 02, 2015 10:46 PM

Orzie said:
So that we can see Yuri from Red Alert and Kane from C&C using the same identity feats.


I think that's also because bald men appear more intimidating. Although Kane was cool in his own kind of way (he was still a killer, though). Actually I considered it a pity that at the very end, right before his ascension, he didn't turn into a messiah kind of guy.

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posted February 02, 2015 10:50 PM

Yeah, he had an ultimate charisma back then.

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Aionb
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posted February 02, 2015 11:38 PM
Edited by Aionb at 23:41, 02 Feb 2015.

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Pfft. Being anti-soviet or pro-soviet doesn't make anyone the ultimate truth. And you are telling me about propaganda.

You're twisting the ideas and what you're saying has nothing to do with what I said. There's no point for me to continue on this line.

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Most of the described horrors of Soviet terror were not experienced neither by you, nor by your country. Dixi.

Is this supposed to make me stop talking or thinking about this matter? Or should it place me on an inferior position?
Following this judgment we shouldn't talk about the Roman Empire either because none of us lived or experienced those times.
As for what happened in my country, you wouldn't know, since I'm wondering if you know what happened in yours (I do hope I'm wrong, though).


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Soljenitzyn wrote what he saw, but it is not a detailed biography. It's a prism of view. There was a lot to see and describe, but if you are a writer and you want to place a message in your book, you'll have to filter the info.

Really, if you want to talk about how Soljenitzyn conceived his work, you should read the main works of your genial writer.
He did not write about what he saw or, rather only a little is about what he saw ("One day ...", "The cancer ward", "The first circle")
What he did was a very elaborate study on about 1500 pages, mainly about the period 1917-1954 (and briefly about 1954-1965), about the death and the terror brought by the system of that time. About the way millions of people have been killed, tortured or deported, about how entire villages or even nations were deported from their own lands or countries into the middle of nowhere ... A study backed up by figures and numbers, by testimonials, by documents and quotes from official documents etc. etc. A study in the purest meaning of the word.
This book (The Gulag Archipelago) should be studied in history lessons: it's about what happened for more than a half of century in more than half of Europe. And thanks to Soljenitzyn this has become common knowledge. Or, as the current discussion shows it, should have become common knowledge

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posted February 03, 2015 12:02 AM

I just felt like I was reading in the OSM.
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Salamandre
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posted February 03, 2015 12:54 AM

Orzie is graphical artist and designed a dwelling in a modding forum, we are not here discussing in the Washington post. Some historical symbols are strong but this is why we please to joke with, otherwise wouldn't be fun if they were common. We find amusing to photoshop people as Hitler, add a moustache and such, so what now?

I am romanian and I would find amusing to see Ceausescu bald face in a necro town.

Some people must really have a snowty life to start arguing each time such things happen. Sorry.

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posted February 03, 2015 02:42 AM
Edited by Vade_Parvis at 02:54, 03 Feb 2015.

Aionb said:
writer/speaker of the truth
Solzhenitsyn - no more than a mediocre writer, chauvinist and anti-semite. In addition, its "true stories about the horrors of the Soviet Union" are full of huge amount of rough fabrications. His image as a "speaker of truth" and a brilliant writer - no more than a part of the anti-soviet state propaganda of the Western bloc during the Cold War.

Aionb said:
Mr. Jesus and his apprentices did not invent the concentration camps in the '20's (and even named them as such in the official legislation), way before the rise of German nationalism. Mr. Lenin did, together with his beloved Party.
Do not confuse the concept of concentration camps in general and Nazi death camps. Concentration camps since the turn of XIX - XX centuries existed in a number of states. Including Poland in the first half of the XX century, by the way. In general, it is only a more specific kind of prison camp.

But in any case - all this is irrelevant to the discussion of the product and its poor quality.

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Orzie
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posted February 03, 2015 05:18 AM
Edited by Orzie at 05:20, 03 Feb 2015.

Well, yeah, should I mention the imperial times and related punishment traditions which existed just before the Revolution of 1917th? Every country has bloodshed on the pages of its history.

Someone call Corribus.

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I am romanian

Your name/surname suggests even a closer affinity to Slavic ethnicity

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Aionb
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posted February 03, 2015 10:04 AM
Edited by Aionb at 10:05, 03 Feb 2015.

Most of the things and conclusions you all are writing here are funny, to say the least, so I won't bother commenting.

This, however, is true and it was silly of me to ignore it:
"Orzie is graphical artist and designed a dwelling in a modding forum, we are not here discussing in the Washington post. Some historical symbols are strong but this is why we please to joke with, otherwise wouldn't be fun if they were common."

Therefore I sincerely apologize to him for being out of line with my first comment.

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Adrius
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posted February 03, 2015 06:00 PM

Total Biscuit on H3 HD and remakes in general

Worth a watch imo.
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Salamandre
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posted February 03, 2015 06:28 PM

Worth to listen you mean.

He plays like a total noob but what he says is on spot and interesting, thanks.

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