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Sligneris
Sligneris


Supreme Hero
posted May 06, 2015 11:38 PM
Edited by Sligneris at 23:46, 06 May 2015.

"Isaaabeeeeel!!"
<runs into a wall>

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GenyaArikado
GenyaArikado


Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
posted May 08, 2015 06:31 PM

i dont like Raelag either

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cori14
cori14


Adventuring Hero
posted May 09, 2015 01:01 AM

I'm playing through Heroes 5 again, I'm at Necropolis campaign and I noticed that it doesn't really have any resemblance to Spiderpolis from the later games. I mean you control Markal (student of Sandro), you have a pre Wraith building named "Shrine of the Netherworld" and there's not much spider motif anywhere.

So what is up with that? Can we assume in H5 you control the Order of the Void / Nethermancers who follow Sandro's teachings? I don't think they planned that far ahead considering H6 brought in the Nethermancer cult with Danse Macabre DLC.

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Sligneris
Sligneris


Supreme Hero
posted May 09, 2015 01:14 AM
Edited by Sligneris at 01:33, 09 May 2015.

There wasn't any cult of the Void in Heroes V, they probably just used 'Netherworld' because it sounded cool and it just stuck there for Sandro's staff.

Lore-wise, after the War of the Broken Staff and the death of Belketh, necromancers devided between smaller lords fighting for power, without a single ruler - Giovanni, Ludmilla, Malfroy, you name it.

Markal was an exception of sorts - his feigned dedication to Asha has gained him sympathy of other undead lords and he de facto began to rule Heresh when he gave fellow necromancers an opening for revenge against the Silver Cities, by allying with the Griffin Empire and using its assistance.

After Markal's death, they remained separated, each of the lords governing their own terrain. That is, until Arantir rose to power and united Heresh once again, leaving a brutal choice for most of these minor lords - submission or death.

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lokdron
lokdron


Famous Hero
posted May 09, 2015 02:56 AM
Edited by lokdron at 02:58, 09 May 2015.

Sligneris said:
There wasn't any cult of the Void in Heroes V, they probably just used 'Netherworld' because it sounded cool and it just stuck there for Sandro's staff.

Lore-wise, after the War of the Broken Staff and the death of Belketh, necromancers devided between smaller lords fighting for power, without a single ruler - Giovanni, Ludmilla, Malfroy, you name it.

Markal was an exception of sorts - his feigned dedication to Asha has gained him sympathy of other undead lords and he de facto began to rule Heresh when he gave fellow necromancers an opening for revenge against the Silver Cities, by allying with the Griffin Empire and using its assistance.

After Markal's death, they remained separated, each of the lords governing their own terrain. That is, until Arantir rose to power and united Heresh once again, leaving a brutal choice for most of these minor lords - submission or death.


Pretty much this Arantir is the one bringing back the religion hence why it was everywhere in dark messiah. Plus I don't think Markal feigned it per say going by clash of heroes but I think he was not the heavy kind of believer like Arantir.

Oh and dark messiah is set after Heroes V.

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Sligneris
Sligneris


Supreme Hero
posted May 09, 2015 11:39 AM

lokdron said:
Plus I don't think Markal feigned it per say going by clash of heroes

I feel like people are buying his 'nice guy' act too easily. I mean, all he did in that game was gaining trust of a Griffin noble and eliminating his rival - we even got foreshadowing in the form of 'Evil' theme playing as soon as we meet him, which does mean something, considering that he's the only non-villain to have this track in the background. It's especially apparent at the end of Danse Macabre, when Sandro explicitly refers to these events as Markal's manipulation. I also doubt any worshipper of Asha would follow the Netherlord himself.

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cori14
cori14


Adventuring Hero
posted May 09, 2015 11:48 AM
Edited by cori14 at 11:48, 09 May 2015.

Sligneris said:
There wasn't any cult of the Void in Heroes V, they probably just used 'Netherworld' because it sounded cool and it just stuck there for Sandro's staff.

Lore-wise, after the War of the Broken Staff and the death of Belketh, necromancers devided between smaller lords fighting for power, without a single ruler - Giovanni, Ludmilla, Malfroy, you name it.

Markal was an exception of sorts - his feigned dedication to Asha has gained him sympathy of other undead lords and he de facto began to rule Heresh when he gave fellow necromancers an opening for revenge against the Silver Cities, by allying with the Griffin Empire and using its assistance.

After Markal's death, they remained separated, each of the lords governing their own terrain. That is, until Arantir rose to power and united Heresh once again, leaving a brutal choice for most of these minor lords - submission or death.


I thought they didn't make the whole Nethermancer thing back in the day.

lokdron said:
Pretty much this Arantir is the one bringing back the religion hence why it was everywhere in dark messiah. Plus I don't think Markal feigned it per say going by clash of heroes but I think he was not the heavy kind of believer like Arantir.

Oh and dark messiah is set after Heroes V.


Oh so that's why Dark Messiah has that many spiders, okay

Thanks for the clarification, guys.

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Sligneris
Sligneris


Supreme Hero
posted May 09, 2015 11:45 PM
Edited by Sligneris at 23:49, 09 May 2015.

I'm starting to wonder what's going to happen to Heresh now that Arantir was killed during the siege of Stonehelm. 16 years is little time for undead, so many of them would begin to act loose - after all, it's obvious that some of the more ambitious necromancers followed Arantir out of sheer opportunism, or even fear.

One thing is certain though - as seen by the examples of Belketh, Markal and Arantir, Heresh is at its strongest when lead by a single person.

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lokdron
lokdron


Famous Hero
posted May 09, 2015 11:57 PM
Edited by lokdron at 01:06, 10 May 2015.

That's why people want a might and magic or heroes game set after dark messiah. Lots of questions honestly since I am hoping releasing big kha is canon I expect the necromancers to rally around the cult to defend against the onslaught of demons.

I mean demons are their greatest enemy.

Sligneris said:
Demons are everyone's greatest enemy.

On a serious note, I would say that their greatest enemies are actually wizards. I wouldn't be surprised if some necromancers in Heroes VII actually allied with the demons in their hatred towards them.


That's the one thing I could never see a necromancer doing and normally its the necromancers who pick arms against the demons first of all factions.

I mean it pretty much happened in heroes V when Arantir finally came to start cleaning up the messes of the previous campaigns.

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Sligneris
Sligneris


Supreme Hero
posted May 10, 2015 12:39 AM
Edited by Sligneris at 01:23, 10 May 2015.

Demons are everyone's greatest enemy.

On a serious note, I would say that their greatest enemies are actually wizards. I wouldn't be surprised if some necromancers in Heroes VII actually allied with the demons in their hatred towards them.

lokdron said:
That's the one thing I could never see a necromancer doing and normally its the necromancers who pick arms against the demons first of all factions.

I mean it pretty much happened in heroes V when Arantir finally came to start cleaning up the messes of the previous campaigns.


Arantir has a strict sense of priorities. He recognizes the threat the demons pose and sees them as abominations. It's normal for him not to be consumed with the petty idea of revenge.

It's something I can fully picture any other necromancer doing, however. For some of these, hatred towards the wizards who persecuted, exiled and nearly vanquished them, greatly surpasses their faith and that much is truly understandable.

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lokdron
lokdron


Famous Hero
posted May 10, 2015 01:26 AM

Sligneris said:
Demons are everyone's greatest enemy.

On a serious note, I would say that their greatest enemies are actually wizards. I wouldn't be surprised if some necromancers in Heroes VII actually allied with the demons in their hatred towards them.

lokdron said:
That's the one thing I could never see a necromancer doing and normally its the necromancers who pick arms against the demons first of all factions.

I mean it pretty much happened in heroes V when Arantir finally came to start cleaning up the messes of the previous campaigns.


Arantir has a strict sense of priorities. He recognizes the threat the demons pose and sees them as abominations. It's normal for him not to be consumed with the petty idea of revenge.

It's something I can fully picture any other necromancer doing, however. For some of these, hatred towards the wizards who persecuted, exiled and nearly vanquished them, greatly surpasses their faith and that much is truly understandable.


Well we will never see a story like that because inferno did not win the voting. I recall the theme of their campaign was going to be how people of the elder races fall to chaos worship. Dungeon won the voting so oh well.

*please release inferno in an expansion PLEASE*

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Sligneris
Sligneris


Supreme Hero
posted May 10, 2015 01:59 AM

They gave statements on what the theme of the campaigns was going to be? I don't recall it...

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lokdron
lokdron


Famous Hero
posted May 10, 2015 02:15 AM
Edited by lokdron at 02:23, 10 May 2015.

Sligneris said:
They gave statements on what the theme of the campaigns was going to be? I don't recall it...


The spy master said it during the voting should he tell a legend on how the demons corrupt people and make them fall to demon worship? Or how dungeon manipulates people from the shadow to weaken the light.

edit: went digging into the website found it.

If Ivan is to succeed, he should also be aware of the powers lurking in the deepest abysses of our world. Not to enlist them to fight at his side, of course. But there are stories I could tell him, a darker sort of wisdom that could prove invaluable someday, in the right circumstances. After all, Ivan’s nemesis – Seamus of Stag – has proven time and time again he’s not going to play fair.

Since I will be sitting at Ivan’s table, what kind of story should I tell our Emperor?

"Maybe I should tell him a story of the Dark Elves of Ygg-Chall? Renegades, assassins, heroes – sometimes – who obey the enigmatic whispers of their Dragon-Goddess Malassa, and her children, the Faceless? Some of them might even have been involved in this conflict, trying to manipulate events from the shadows to weaken the Light.

Or should I tell him a story of the Demons, Urgash’s spawns, enemies of all creation? After all, this is their assassination of Maeve that started all this. They won’t be a threat until the next Bloodmoon Eclipse, but their tales are worth hearing, as it is often the lust for power that puts one on the path of Chaos worship…"

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Sligneris
Sligneris


Supreme Hero
posted May 10, 2015 03:08 AM
Edited by Sligneris at 03:14, 10 May 2015.

Huh, reading that again, I feel both terrified and relieved - there's a reason I didn't want Inferno to win this one, and I'm glad that Dungeon won instead, while Inferno is fortunately kept for expansions.

I'm really curious whether in the Dungeon campaign we'll play as Tuidhana, seceding from Arniel... Who knows, maybe its first mission we'll actually play as Sylvan. It'd be also intriguing if a dark elf assassin going by the name of Shadya was involved.

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GenyaArikado
GenyaArikado


Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
posted May 27, 2015 04:10 PM

"last post by Galaad on May 27"

*last post in last page is on May 10*

Idgi

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Minastir
Minastir


Promising
Famous Hero
posted May 27, 2015 04:14 PM

GenyaArikado said:
"last post by Galaad on May 27"

*last post in last page is on May 10*

Idgi

Galaad edited the main post (the first one)

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Avonu
Avonu


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
posted June 09, 2015 09:46 PM

As Sandro400 requested, here is my post from H7 blog about Sandro (updated):

The story of Ashan Sandro we know so far:


He was born in Bull Duchy in 444 YSD as Alejandro dela Sagadora.
He supposed to be Priest of Elrath but death of his beloved sister - Alma - and corruption in Monastery, where he studied, slowly turned him agianst Dragon Gods.

He later went to Seven Cities, where he met and become a friend and a apprentice of Belketh. Together they found lost (and uncomplete) writings of Sar-Elam - "The Revelations of Seventh Dragon" - from which Belketh developed principles of necromancy.

During his stay in Silver Cities, Alejandro wrote book "A World without Dragons" and met another student of Belketh - lord Irvin, know later as Vein.

There is also a legend from Pao Islands (where Mother Namtaru was imprisioned) about a mage, who wanted to bring back his dead sister from Spirit World - he failed but instead he turned his other two sisters insane and later was forced to kill them.

Alejandro in his quest to bring Alma back from the dead crossed the Void, saw what lays beyond the Veil and barely returned as Sandro. Only Vein know about this journey.

When Mother Namtaru was brought to Seven Cities in 505 YSD, Sandro Void nature was revealed and Executor Merikh banished him from Al-Betyl.

In 563 YSD he and Gazal from House of Anima stole an ancient Shantiri artifact - Throne of Reneval - usuing Crag Hack as a pawn to loot it from Inquisition's ship.
After "some" disagrement Sandro cursed Crag Hack with a Void curse, Unfortunately Gazal tricks Sandro, sit on throne and become Herald of the Void (she was defeated by Vein and Windswords eventually).

1 year after Second Eclipse Sandro returned to Bull Duchy 60 years after his banishment from Spider Cult and trick his relative - Lucretia - to become undead vampire and his appreentice. He also made a revange at Merikh and turned him into ghoul.
He found Faceless' artifact - Mask of False Face - and used it in year 660 YSD to change his look and poison Mother Namtaru with Void curse, which made all who drunk her venom dying. He was stopped by Vein, Belketh and Zakera and Mother Namtaru was healed.

He returned yet again after Third Eclipse (ca. 717 YSD), this time he used Elrath's artifact - Singline "Elrath's Song" - to erase Elrath himself. He nearly suceeded but ultimately he was defeated by Belketh's and Emperor Duncun Falcon's heroes and forces.

Ultimately Sandro was defeated and killed by Cyrus from Silver Cities, Emperor Oleg Griffin from Griffin Empire and others in Lorekeep. The city was burned to the ground by emperor, so Sandro would not return to Ashan.
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kiryu133
kiryu133


Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
posted June 09, 2015 10:01 PM

Did old Sandro ever have this much information to his name? i feel like a fleshed out backstory kind of takes away from the character
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Gryphs
Gryphs


Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
posted June 09, 2015 10:07 PM

Snowing shame he failed to erase the Dragon Gods.

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Sandro400
Sandro400


Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
posted June 09, 2015 10:15 PM

kiryu133 said:
Did old Sandro ever have this much information to his name? i feel like a fleshed out backstory kind of takes away from the character


Old Sandro had some backstory as well, IIRC it was explained in first 1-2 maps of Sandro's campaign (in which he fights his former "teacher" Etric and "friend", Jeddite). But nothing like "when and where he was born".
Though I think that the date of Ashan Sandro's birth came out as a result of some math, I don't remember the date "544th YSD" to be said explicitly.

@Avonu: thanks again mate, useful information for many I think.
Though I thought you would do a little grammar check now that we're on the forums without any limits...
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