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Sligneris
Sligneris


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posted April 15, 2015 02:17 PM
Edited by Sligneris at 14:21, 15 Apr 2015.

From Elvin's trivia thread:
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Within their ranks exists a matriarchal order called the Light Weavers, whose task is to seek the newborn Light Elementals and weave them into sacred cloths that will be used to create garments for the heroes of the Empire or bind them into brilliant stained glass that will decorate the cathedrals erected in homage to Elrath.

I was a bit surprised. Wouldn't binding elementals like this be somewhat immoral?

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War-overlord
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posted April 15, 2015 02:27 PM
Edited by War-overlord at 14:59, 15 Apr 2015.

Sligneris said:
I was a bit surprised. Wouldn't binding elementals like this be somewhat immoral?

Would it?
Elementals are, to my knowledge, not sentient. They are physical manifestations of elemental magic. Intrinsically linked to the god of their element, they are there to do the will of the god. if priests of a god binds elementals of that god to things, it is done with the god's blessing or else they would have failed.
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Dave_Jame
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posted April 15, 2015 04:53 PM

False War. Elementals are spirits, raw in the nature of their world, but sentient nonetheless. And spirits are centient. Their intelect may vary, but they are not animated matter, like some undead or constructs.

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War-overlord
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posted April 15, 2015 05:03 PM

Dave_Jame said:
False War. Elementals are spirits, raw in the nature of their world, but sentient nonetheless. And spirits are centient. Their intelect may vary, but they are not animated matter, like some undead or constructs.

That doesn't dispute my other assertion though, that the binding of elementals does not happen without divine consent or perhaps divine negligence.
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Dave_Jame
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posted April 15, 2015 06:29 PM

War-overlord said:
That doesn't dispute my other assertion though, that the binding of elementals does not happen without divine consent or perhaps divine negligence.

I would disagree even here. Sure some situations can do this, but especially Wizzards and Necromancers don't care so much about getting  the god's aproval.
For example Rakshasas which are imbuded by air elementals.

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War-overlord
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posted April 15, 2015 06:37 PM

Dave_Jame said:
Necromancers don't care so much about getting  the god's aproval.
For example Rakshasas which are imbuded by air elementals.

Ylath is an example of divine Negligence, the god of air is notorious for giving no sh1tz.
As for Necromancers, I have no knowledge of them (mis)using elementals for such purposes.
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kiryu133
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posted April 15, 2015 06:53 PM

War-overlord said:

Ylath is an example of divine Negligence, the god of air is notorious for giving no sh1tz.



that's something i can respect. Ylath is officially the best now.
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GenyaArikado
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posted April 15, 2015 09:35 PM

Necromancers did have Asha approval, well, approval from a part of Asha.


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Sligneris
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posted April 15, 2015 09:40 PM
Edited by Sligneris at 22:41, 15 Apr 2015.

You mean the approval of the abomination born from her nightmares? I mean, I never really saw Asha giving her staple of approval on the necromantic cult.


Quick question - what kind of demon exactly is Deleb? She has a rather slim, humanoid build, so one would assume she's a succubus and yet it's still clearly stated she's not - why like this?

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kiryu133
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posted April 15, 2015 10:47 PM

cause Ubi can't make up their mind?

pride seems like a likely bet otherwise unless lust is a thing though i'm not sure i've seen that mentioned.

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Sandro400
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posted April 15, 2015 11:01 PM

It is my understanding that Deleb isn't a Demon actually, but a Heretic. She's just corrupted by Chaos, like Raelag.
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kiryu133
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posted April 15, 2015 11:04 PM

wouldn't that make her a succubi? well, if she ever died. And didn't Agreal use the griffin truffle on her (which to my (limited) knowledge only work on demons) or was that someone else?

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Sligneris
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posted April 15, 2015 11:05 PM
Edited by Sligneris at 23:07, 15 Apr 2015.

Agrael didn't confront Deleb canonically as far as I'm concerned. He used Heart of the Griffin in order to banish Biara and Veyer however.

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Pawek_13
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posted April 15, 2015 11:07 PM
Edited by Pawek_13 at 23:08, 15 Apr 2015.

kiryu133 said:
wouldn't that make her a succubi? well, if she ever died. And didn't Agreal use the griffin truffle on her (which to my (limited) knowledge only work on demons) or was that someone else?

It was Biara that had the Griffin heart (not truffle ) used on her, not Deleb. Deleb played no role in campaign of Heroes V, excluding a small episode in "A Flamboyant Exit", where she served as a mini-boss against Zehir.

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kiryu133
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posted April 15, 2015 11:16 PM

Pawek_13 said:

It was Biara that had the Griffin truffle (not heart ) used on her, not Deleb. Deleb played no role in campaign of Heroes V, excluding a small episode in "A Flamboyant Exit", where she served as a mini-boss against Zehir.


oh yeah, read that wrong, lol.

anyway, Deleb is totally a demon lord (or succubi, i don't know), right? i mean, she can't have lived as a human in the h6-5 time-frame, now could she? totally reborn as a demon or somesuch.

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Sligneris
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posted April 15, 2015 11:40 PM

I wouldn't call her a human - she seems to have pointy ears. Still, I like to ignore her biography and simply assume that she is a succubus regardless.

I'm wondering if that face is her own though. As in, is it something she keep from her earlier days or did she literally attach another person's face to her own?

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Gryphs
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posted April 15, 2015 11:45 PM

Does it really matter? If demons are the embodiment of chaos they could look like anything.

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GenyaArikado
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posted April 16, 2015 01:37 AM
Edited by GenyaArikado at 01:40, 16 Apr 2015.

Sligneris said:
You mean the approval of the abomination born from her nightmares? I mean, I never really saw Asha giving her staple of approval on the necromantic cult.


Quick question - what kind of demon exactly is Deleb? She has a rather slim, humanoid build, so one would assume she's a succubus and yet it's still clearly stated she's not - why like this?


hence a part of Asha. And despite being an snow about methods, her objetives arent bad.

She isnt a succubus, her bio states it. She was a servant from the Overlord of Pain before Kha-Beleth rise

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Avonu
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posted April 16, 2015 05:24 AM
Edited by Avonu at 06:44, 16 Apr 2015.

Sandro400 said:
It is my understanding that Deleb isn't a Demon actually, but a Heretic. She's just corrupted by Chaos, like Raelag.


Yes, she's totally human:



It's Heart of Nightmares card, which supposes to take place in same time, when Sveltana brings up Mother Namtaru to Al-Betyl (ca. 505 YSD).

EDIT:
However it's true that Deleb isn't Succubus:
HoMM 5 said:
One of the generals charged to refit Kha-Beleth's prison to better suit his own needs, the demoness Deleb developed an intricate knowledge of machines. Nicknamed "Meat Grinder" by her detractors, Deleb puts unquestioning faith in her own engines of war rather than trusting to fickle Demon troops, whose loyalty is a constant balance between terror of their masters and terror for their lives.

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Sligneris
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posted April 16, 2015 07:56 AM
Edited by Sligneris at 07:58, 16 Apr 2015.

http://img2.dwstatic.com/gj/1404/261486376169/1397531786605.jpg

Well... the thing is, for me she kinda does look like a human reborn as a demon, with this pretty much human silhouette.

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