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Sligneris
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posted April 12, 2015 01:36 AM |
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Protolisk said:
I have a feeling that H7, at best, can only bridge gaps left. It likely won't go beyond H5,and thus DM.
Isn't that what I said from the start though? That we'll either have a pre-H5 plot in H7 expansions and go post DM only in H8?
I agree with you about the Nagas though - as much as it's hard for me to come up with any exact story for them, having a human lead them again would be cringeworthy.
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 02:36 AM |
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Sligneris said:
Isn't that what I said from the start though? That we'll either have a pre-H5 plot in H7 expansions and go post DM only in H8?
I agree with you about the Nagas though - as much as it's hard for me to come up with any exact story for them, having a human lead them again would be cringeworthy.
Sorry, I read what you said wrong.
What I mostly mean though is that any gaps could be filled, from H6's time up to H5. And, possibly, since Naga aren't doing anything during H5, they could be doing something then, but it'd be a bit strange.
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Sligneris
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posted April 12, 2015 02:52 AM |
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You mean Naga expansion taking place during Heroes V? Huh... sounds interesting, but problematic.
Expansions tend to include campaigns for at least two/three factions. Not only that, there definitely should be at least one other faction involved in a Sanctuary campaign. But all other factions during Heroes V were too busy with Queen Isabel's War.
Should it prove the only option though, perhaps nagas could have a war get politically involved with the elves between Heroes V expansions, in 971 YSD - that would also somewhat justify the lack of Sylvan intervention when Heroes V's protagonist united against Biara's Red Haven, as they also felt pretty absent at the time.
Part of Kha-Beleth plan at the time was to have Ashan's nations weak and shattered, so it could be that elven-naga war some of the conflicts could be set up by the demons as well... Inferno, Sylvan and Sanctuary campaign then? Don't know, it feels a bit forced...
[EDIT: Parts of this idea were changed.]
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Genyaarikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 04:13 AM |
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i think that the whole Markal invasion should be enough for the elves to be disabled. Unlike mages, they do rely on living beings.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted April 12, 2015 11:58 AM |
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We have yet to see something of Biara.
Heck, it would be more interesting to have more connections with past universes, Enroth, Axeoth or even XEEN.
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ShadowMaster
Adventuring Hero
HOMM3fa(g)n
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posted April 12, 2015 12:14 PM |
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Sligneris said:
You mean Naga expansion taking place during Heroes V? Huh... sounds interesting, but problematic.
Expansions tend to include campaigns for at least two/three factions. Not only that, there definitely should be at least one other faction involved in a Sanctuary campaign. But all other factions during Heroes V were too busy with Queen Isabel's War.
Should it prove the only option though, perhaps nagas could have a war with the elves between Heroes V expansions, in 971 YSD - that would also somewhat justify the lack of Sylvan intervention when Heroes V's protagonist united against Biara's Red Haven, as they also felt pretty absent at the time.
Part of Kha-Beleth plan at the time was to have Ashan's nations weak and shattered, so it could be that elven-naga war could be set up by the demons as well... Inferno, Sylvan and Sanctuary campaign then? Don't know, it feels a bit fored...
Well, I thought more along the lines of a civil war in the Lotus Empire. That would explain their absence + stiil keep Stubisofts policy of "one expansion-one faction." A war with the Elves wil only work if they release aa Sylvan expansion pack before it, and as we all now, it is highely unlikely for Stubisoft to release more than one expansion, no matter what. Oh yeah, and even if they release two packs, tghen we will still not get the full house.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 01:14 PM |
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Genyaarikado said:
i think that the whole Markal invasion should be enough for the elves to be disabled. Unlike mages, they do rely on living beings.
Ah, right. Didn't think about it. True, that is one of the possibilities.
That makes one wonder why Biara didn't think of taking advantage of their weakness though.
EnergyZ said:
Heck, it would be more interesting to have more connections with past universes, Enroth, Axeoth or even XEEN.
I... wouldn't like that, to be perfectly honest. I actually wouldn't want Ashan to share connections with the original sci-fi universe.
ShadowMaster said:
Well, I thought more along the lines of a civil war in the Lotus Empire. That would explain their absence + stiil keep Stubisofts policy of "one expansion-one faction." A war with the Elves wil only work if they release aa Sylvan expansion pack before it, and as we all now, it is highely unlikely for Stubisoft to release more than one expansion, no matter what. Oh yeah, and even if they release two packs, tghen we will still not get the full house.
Civil war within the Naga domain would be unlikely, unless the Eternal Empress would make a decision that would lead some of the Naga to defy her. Given their strict sense of honor, it would need to be something really big. Well, she could have died as well, but that would be a bit too similar to the story of the Ten Years War.
Sylvan expansion? What do you mean? Sylvan is in the core game, you know? 
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 01:25 PM |
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Iirc, the Naga civil war during or before H5 is canon
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ShadowMaster
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 01:33 PM |
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Sligneris said:
ShadowMaster said:
Well, I thought more along the lines of a civil war in the Lotus Empire. That would explain their absence + stiil keep Stubisofts policy of "one expansion-one faction." A war with the Elves wil only work if they release aa Sylvan expansion pack before it, and as we all now, it is highely unlikely for Stubisoft to release more than one expansion, no matter what. Oh yeah, and even if they release two packs, tghen we will still not get the full house.
Civil war within the Naga domain would be unlikely, unless the Eternal Empress would make a decision that would lead some of the Naga to defy her. Given their strict sense of honor, it would need to be something really big. Well, she could have died as well, but that would be a bit too similar to the story of the Ten Years War.
It could be that the Medusas gain some support within the Empire and that leads to a rebellion and a civil war. Or that the Empress makes the decision to join Queen Elizabeth and that one (of several) of her Shogun defy her. Either way, it could (similar to HoMM 5) lead to a alternate upgrade for all units, what I woiuld just adore to see.Slingeris said:
Sylvan expansion? What do you mean? Sylvan is in the core game, you know?
Oh. Totally forgot about that. My fault. 
GenyaArikado said:
Iirc, the Naga civil war during or before H5 is canon
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Were was this said ? Source, please.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 01:36 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
Iirc, the Naga civil war during or before H5 is canon
Huh? Never heard of that. Could you tell me what's the source of that info and tell me more about it?
Sligneris said:
That makes one wonder why Biara didn't think of taking advantage of their weakness though.
I think I came up with an idea though.
Elves, strongly weakened by Agrael's campaign, undead invasion, and temporary partial takeover by opportunistic dark elf Warlocks (HoF's 'New enemies' scenario), sought to find trustworthy allies to help them while they try to stabilize their kingdom - as such, they would reach out to Nagas.
Also, if Nagas have a civil war, would we play as rebels, or as loyalists? Or perhaps protagonist would pull a Freyda and change sides? Either way it is, I'd like it if the allegiance of Sanctuary protagonist would ultimately lie with those Nagas who supported the elves.
I wonder if Findan would reappear - I'd absolutely love to see his appearance with a better writing, since I really liked him in CoH. That being said, I already put Cyrus, Godric, Markal, Alexei, even Anwen in my earlier expansion ideas... I wonder if Findan wouldn't be too much.
I know that I literally change the idea for a war to an alliance, but I think after all that, the elves would not really survive a fourth war... 
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 02:21 PM |
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Maybe it was one of those videos with lore question, but i remember reading that somewhere. I'll search later.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
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posted April 12, 2015 03:45 PM |
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The Civil war is canon, and was even before H7 developement started. what GenyaArikado is talking about is a very old video (I think connnected to H6) in which a question was asked "why the Nagas did not take part in the events of H5"
Reason:
There was an attempt of several lords to overthrough the Empiress which as far as we know failed but the result was a shift in the naga politics that made them even more segregative.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted April 12, 2015 04:29 PM |
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Indeed. IIRC there was a coup against Eternal Empress but it didn't ended well... that's why Nagas mostly abandoned Hashima and returned to seas.
Even if this wasn't stated anywhere in the web, when Erwan was asked about Nagas abscence during Heroes 5 events, he give above explanation.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 05:13 PM |
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Now, that sounds interesting. We (well, they) could place the start of this civil war before Heroes V and we as a player are inroduced to it around the time of H5's expansions, kinda in the same way as we start Heroes VII after 10 years of war.  
Also, in my idea the Inferno expansion takes place during the War of the Fifth Eclipse. During that war, Isabel was marked as a future mother to the Demon Messiah. We could play as a Demon hero who carried that out - how does this sound?
I added this note to the OP:
"During Inferno campaign, we could play as a Demon, who in his loyal service to Demon Sovereign marked Isabel as a mother to the Demon Messiah, which was one of the important, but hidden events of that war. As for the personality of such a protagonist, he could be what Kha-Beleth once was - an idealist who truly believes that his people should be freed."
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 12, 2015 05:43 PM |
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your inferno idea sounds very creepy. mind rephrasing it a bit?
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 05:53 PM |
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"marked as a future mother", you mean?
Well, that's what it was - a ritual that would allow this child to bear a human-demon hybrid in the future.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 12, 2015 05:59 PM |
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more the "demon going to do that thing" part. really feels super weird and wasn't that Agreals mission?
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 06:02 PM |
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Agrael's mission was to watch over her - he did not know the reason, so it's impossible for him to be the person who set this up.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 12, 2015 06:08 PM |
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ah, ok.
seems like a waste of recources 
though i do like the idea of playing as a bad guy in ashan. hasn't been done since markal, right?
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 06:27 PM |
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We had Sandro in Danse Macabre, but otherwise no.
Well, I did describe the Inferno protagonist as an idealist, loyal to his ruler, who wants freedom for his kind... Yet, he'll still be part of the plan to doom the world of his enemies, so yeah.
Now, another idea occurred to me - like you can guess by now, I'd want this new character for the Inferno campaign, but what about having Biara assist him? She seemed to know of this whole Dark Messiah plan, so there's nothing stopping her from being a part of that mission as well.
Playing as a demon burning his way through the Greyhound Duchy and then, using the siege of its capital as a distraction, sneakily perform a demonic ritual on Duke's daughter. Hell, he could even be the reason why Isabel is an orphan in the first place.  I feel like I'd love to play this.
PS: I decided to start listing ideas in the OP. Feel free to check it out.
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