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blizzardboy
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posted August 10, 2015 01:28 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 01:44, 10 Aug 2015.

Global warming

This is an issue I have a void of knowledge on. Never actually looked into it besides skipping past endless pages of arguments on forums or such.

How legit/not-legit is it? Can any person here (unless you're Belgian) recommend a good, concise, objective, apolitical website that can give a person a rundown on this topic? How divided are climatologists on this?
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fred79
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posted August 10, 2015 02:15 AM

the scientific community all agrees that humans are a big cause of it. at least from what i saw on some semi-knowledgable t.v. show.

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blizzardboy
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posted August 10, 2015 02:29 AM

K. Mods can close this thread now.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 10, 2015 02:37 AM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 02:38, 10 Aug 2015.

Well, seeing how the eart recieves almost all of its energy from the damn sun, sun < plants < animals < humans, or sun < plants < humans, w/e. (you know STRAWMAN theories are quick to explain between anime eps)

And since every energy transfer results in heat, it explains EVERYTHING.

Ok bye bye now.

Sure human activity may have accelerated the process, but I'm certain just basic photosynthesis and energy transfer would've been enough to mimick the effects after a certain time.

Plus, pretty sure that the energy content ( in terms of volume, mass omg SIZE amount et cetera) of the earth has increased substantially, but energy alone doesn't cause heat, so that's a dumb point, but energy transfer does, so that stays (then again, more energy means more means/increased rate of transfer, thus it multiplies, SO THE POINT DOES STAND).

YES.
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artu
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posted August 10, 2015 08:10 AM
Edited by artu at 08:10, 10 Aug 2015.

In short, it's real, it is mostly caused by us and what is caused by us is mostly caused by our industrial output, the greenhouse gases. Without precautions, we will almost certainly face serious issues such as economic crisis, famine in many countries, extinction of many species both plant and animal, which will start a chain rection that will effect the biological diversity and climate.

In the forseeable future, it is very very unlikely that we will also go extinct but we will live in a much uglier and tougher planet and I doubt that our population will keep increasing the way it did like the last 200, especially100 years. (If you google graphs, you'll see how it keeps doubling and doubling especially after modern medicine becomes common all over the world.)

Your grandson may have to pay 80 dollars for a tomato.
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Ebonheart
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posted August 10, 2015 08:49 AM

artu said:

In the forseeable future, it is very very unlikely that we will also go extinct but we will live in a much uglier and tougher planet and I doubt that our population will keep increasing the way it did like the last 200, especially100 years. (If you google graphs, you'll see how it keeps doubling and doubling especially after modern medicine becomes common all over the world.)

Your grandson may have to pay 80 dollars for a tomato.

I reckon global warming does exist and that humans may very well play a major part in it. But I frankly believe that wars, famine and diseases will kill off more of the human population than the global warming.

So perhaps we worry a tad bit too much about global warming considering what other problems we are still dealing with?
Let's not also forget that we are quite good at adapting ourselves to changes because of our scientific progress. Solar pannels, electricity driven cars and much more will probably in the future reduce the green house effect.

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artu
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posted August 10, 2015 09:01 AM

Well, not every country is rich enough to switch technologies overnight and as short-sighted as it is, not all of them are willing to. The issue certainly requires some international law with de facto execution power.

And the effects of global warming probably will be one of the reasons for the wars, famine and disease that you talk about. Such things always trigger each other.
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Ebonheart
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posted August 10, 2015 09:33 AM
Edited by Ebonheart at 09:34, 10 Aug 2015.

artu said:
Well, not every country is rich enough to switch technologies overnight and as short-sighted as it is, not all of them are willing to. The issue certainly requires some international law with de facto execution power.

And the effects of global warming probably will be one of the reasons for the wars, famine and disease that you talk about. Such things always trigger each other.

And we are as far as we can tell, the source of GW, so to solve it, how about we turn on ourselves seeing as we are the root of the problem? I believe the most noble way to settle this comes with some good old medieval fighting. Woudln't you say?

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artu
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posted August 10, 2015 09:38 AM

I'll be more than happy to give a janissary kick to that plate armored ass of yours.
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Zenofex
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posted August 10, 2015 09:53 AM

The eco-friendly power technologies are still way too expensive to deploy en masse and nobody is willing to give them for free out of love for Mother Earth. The EU is currently the only major international entity which has an actual plan and policy to reduce pollution and switch to "green energy" as soon as possible but the details of that policy leave much to be desired (long story short - it hardly takes into account what the poorer members can really accomplsh). The other main polluters - China, the US, India, etc. are way behind anything that could be called organized approach to the problem.

Make no mistake, this is going to become a really fat issue for everyone on the planet during the next few decades not because you'll sweat more during the summer and have fewer skiing opportunities during the winter but because of the chain reaction on the environment in general - storms, floods, droughts, season displacements and the like, all leading to reduced agricultural output and food/water distribution issues, diseases, etc. The less developed countries are especially vulnerable but even the well-developed ones are hardly in a great position. The global warming is - surprise! - a global problem which is currently mostly globally neglected.

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kiryu133
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posted August 10, 2015 10:34 AM

The concept of "global warming" is a rather misleading one however, as it would also make certain parts colder (basically it makes whether more extreme). Climate change is a better name for it.

We're seeing the effects already with a great increase in natural disasters and droughts/floods all over the world.  

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Herry
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posted August 10, 2015 10:52 AM

kiryu133 said:
The concept of "global warming" is a rather misleading one however, as it would also make certain parts colder (basically it makes whether more extreme). Climate change is a better name for it.

We're seeing the effects already with a great increase in natural disasters and droughts/floods all over the world.  


I don't get you... You see the water from all over planet Earth would become hot, and the ice that cools the Earth would melt, thus resulting in global heat, hence the name, global warming. Also, some people say that the ozone layer is repairing itself, which means that it is possible to avoid this possible catastrophe. When humans stop being under-cautious, of course.

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Minion
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posted August 10, 2015 11:17 AM

The scientific consensus is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and that it is extremely likely (at least 95% probability) that humans are causing most of it through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels.
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DivineClio
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posted August 10, 2015 12:03 PM
Edited by DivineClio at 12:08, 10 Aug 2015.

The problem is created by human.
1)freon/CFC
During heavy industry was release tons of freon/CFC gas.This gas (chemically speaking) react with ozone (O3) formimng ossigen (O2)
Cl+O3=ClO+O2 basically destryoing the ozone.But the "Cl part" in the CFC is a catalyst for ozone which IS SUPER F*ING BAD! Accelerating a lot the ozone destroy even with a small %.
Why is bad?
Because ozone block UV light which commonly cause skin cancer.
Plus UV has a lot of enery which heat up the earth more.
2)CO2
This gas has the ability to let enter "solar laser" in earth but it block the exit.So the laser touch the co2 cloud it's deflect on earth(not in total) again so heating up the earth's surface more than normal.

This is what i know.

p.s:youtube.com/watch?v=QXvK359TL2Y

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markkur
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posted August 10, 2015 03:01 PM

These reports seem real enough to me.

http://www.climate.org/topics/sea-level/

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PandaTar
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posted August 10, 2015 05:51 PM

In my country, climate interchanges are getting more and more extreme. Temperatures are getting a bit higher indeed, sometimes when it wasn't supposed to. For example, we are in winter here now, however, the last 10 days it's been making 25-32C. The sunny days are not an excuse, but the temperatures are a bit off. It's not uncommon, but not that high for so long. In 2013, it even snowed in almost 100 cities around here, but this winter, only few days in very few cities it reached 0C or few degrees below zero in predictable cities. This has been the hottest July in over 54 years. Ah, FYI, I live in the South region of Brazil, a region where the four seasons exist, but I lived at Central-West and North as well, so I can tell pretty much how human influence has changed climate at those places.

When I was a kid, I lived in the North. Its climate was dictated mainly by Amazon rain forest. So we had hot and humid days all the time. Only one week per year we had a cooling wind coming from the Andes. During the morning, there would be haze/mist on the town whenever it was going to be a very hot day. Rains would be heavy and warm. And three or four months per year, there would be floodings. After 20 years of forest destruction, the region has 6 months of drought, where there's smoke in the air due the fires, farmers burning to plant, or to have more and more livestock. And speaking of livestock, it's known that they are also a major issue on CO production.

So, now, places where forests have been decimated are starting to feel the effects of Amazon rain forest deforestation and they are getting worried. So Paulo, our greatest metropolitan area, had some very hard times past year due lack of potable water because dams were so low.

Here, in the South, climate extremes are much more visible now, with some strange hurricanes and even tornadoes, which were basically too rare even to account for. Flooding also occurring, landslides, and the odds in temperature.

It also fits with the climax in Sun activities, which occurs from time to time.

Now they are saying that the Sun will be entering a calm time and we'll have a small ice-age situation, which I only conclude will show some extreme cold events happening, specially in those areas climate is going wild, when winds and nature tries to balance itself.


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Salamandre
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posted August 10, 2015 06:00 PM

It must be true, in Europe lots of people turned black
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Herry
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posted August 10, 2015 06:16 PM

Well, in Tunisia, last year, you would mistake winter for summer. I mean, everyone was sweat-bathing, the temps were like 38, and yes, it was winter. If this keeps on, we're gonna have to find another planet, make an artificial one, or force everybody to stop doing anything that harms the ozone layer...

On a side note, GLOBAL warming reminds me of internet powered heaters.

Hold on... In the near future of about 40-50 years later, I wonder if mankind discovered the secret to artificially making a new ozone layer... But I doubt that would happen, still, couldn't stop my imagination on that one...

I'm thinking, instead of simply discussing the dangers of global heating(sorry couldn't resist that one), why don't we try to "imagine" a means to stop it? I mean, for you to make something, you have to imagine it, make a draft plan for it, and so on.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 10, 2015 06:56 PM

Salamandre said:
It must be true, in Europe lots of people turned black


I second this
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markkur
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posted September 18, 2015 01:20 AM
Edited by markkur at 15:38, 18 Sep 2015.

I know this has fell by the wayside but for me I can tell that something is not right by one factor and it's due to living for a long while....weather.<L> What I mean is the intensity of the storms today in the Midwestern United States.

This region has likely been a battle ground for eons but what I believe I see now is there's little middle ground.

Here in the state of MO there seldom seems to be the long stretches of really great weather I remember long ago. I remember our family not having AC and we weren't miserable for long, usually July and August but now it seems no sooner than you shut-off heaters you begin thinking about turning on the AC and vice versa. March is my birthday month and the old tradition was it was kite-flying month but usually "March does not come in like a lamb but roars in like a lion" (old saying)and who flies kites in blizzards?<LOL>


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