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EnergyZ
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posted November 06, 2015 06:14 PM |
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Zenofex
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posted November 06, 2015 06:26 PM |
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Lobbying is legal along with other "formal" forms of corruptions like financing election campaigns in many countries, not only the US. As are some very impudent tax evasion techniques. And so on. Rich people rule the world... old news.
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Stevie
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posted November 06, 2015 06:35 PM |
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Drakon-Deus
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posted November 06, 2015 06:41 PM |
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Everyone is corrupted, except that we in East Europe have it worse than the West Europe and USA. For the rest, I don't know enough to say 
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Herry
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posted November 06, 2015 06:57 PM |
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America, among others, is corrupted. Old news. And then you have political squidheads all over the damn place.
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Kayna
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posted November 06, 2015 07:05 PM |
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I believe this video 100 % . I find the graph very interesting because I've always believed the people are being tricked into believing we have a say in the matter when we don't. That is achieved by passing some laws and plans rich and powerful people finds unimportant but common people considers important, then refusing or passing laws and plans that rich and powerful people finds important to them.
I didn't expect the 30 % line to be so flat though. Almost as if someone has been keeping track of it all along >.>
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PandaTar
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posted November 06, 2015 07:09 PM |
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Brazil has a chronic-sort of corruption which will be really hard to tackle down. The worst part of it is that it might even be cultural at some extent.
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Stevie
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posted November 06, 2015 07:33 PM |
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Let me tell you people something else probably more hard to accept: the corruption you see at a political level is in fact a reflection and an extension of the intrinsic fundamental corruption of the human nature. None of us here are better than those people. If anyone believes himself a hero of justice then he's sorely mistaken. The conjecture is so strong and depraving that you either conform or you're out one way or the other. Everyone is expendable. There's always someone the powers that be can control and manipulate to do their bidding without question. It's a self sustaining vicious circle that feeds on the flaws and weaknesses of the human being.
Give that thought a second.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted November 06, 2015 08:08 PM |
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The sky is blue.
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Kayna
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posted November 06, 2015 08:34 PM |
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Edited by Kayna at 20:36, 06 Nov 2015.
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Stevie said:
the corruption you see at a political level is in fact a reflection and an extension of the intrinsic fundamental corruption of the human nature.
Not exactly. I see differences still ; what brings people on top is luck, a desire for power and cutting the ties that binds them ( like caring for others ), where as those below them I see people that doesn't care and brainwashed to various ideologies which, once you dismantle all of those, reveals fear, the most strongly felt emotion according to various psychological studies.
Shutting yourself from others to make it easier to get what you want is to me the only point in common between the powers that be and those ruled upon. Aside from that, their corruption do not reflect ours imo.
Tsar-Ivor said:
The sky is blue.
Your amount of serious versus silly posts seems to have shifted recently. Did something happen? lol was it good or bad?
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fred79
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posted November 06, 2015 11:14 PM |
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Stevie said:
Let me tell you people something else probably more hard to accept: the corruption you see at a political level is in fact a reflection and an extension of the intrinsic fundamental corruption of the human nature. None of us here are better than those people. If anyone believes himself a hero of justice then he's sorely mistaken. The conjecture is so strong and depraving that you either conform or you're out one way or the other. Everyone is expendable. There's always someone the powers that be can control and manipulate to do their bidding without question. It's a self sustaining vicious circle that feeds on the flaws and weaknesses of the human being.
Give that thought a second.
i try to be a better person every day. i have improved in some areas definitely over the years, but i find that i get worse in others. there is always a balance, at least in me. most people have that balance, i suspect, more or less. the rarest people are more lopsided. 
the flaw that everyone has is the human ego. from the ego stem all of mankind's worst. it is because we have this ego, that positive change as a society is deadlocked. for those who would argue, and think technology is something great among a supposedly advanced species: technology is just another bragging right for mankind, one of many. from where we are now, there isn't any going back; not without catastrophic change. (human)society has perpetuated itself for centuries, and will continue until mankind's ultimate demise(or until we evolve into something else entirely, which i doubt we will have time for, based on the pace it's setting now). it is held together by the beliefs of those born and raised into it; and it is held together by all the collective ego's of the world, who see it as mankind's crowning achievement.
i don't see it as anything particularly special. it is so far removed from reality at this point, that it's very essence is rooted in fantasy. and that fantasy is locked(trained) into every growing ego, as it is raised by this society from childhood to adulthood. society is stuck in an endless loop; because no one has come up with anything better. and they're not likely to, because of that pesky ego. just think of what we could accomplish if we were all more like a colony of insects; instead of a free-form bipedal cancerous disease that either eats everything on this planet up, or modifies whatever natural environment to our hearts extent, creating unnatural environments everywhere, just to keep our ego's satisfied...
we'd have been living in space by now. if only we could all work toward one common goal. as it is now, and for centuries, and until our end, our only goal is ego fulfillment.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted November 06, 2015 11:30 PM |
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I think political ideals are, well, ideals, never reality. So I think it's more important to be humane than political in order to make things better. And of course there must always be balance. Easier said than done. But some aren't even trying to go for balance.
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fred79
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posted November 06, 2015 11:32 PM |
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no. politics is only about greed. if anyone virtuous were to make their way into politics, they would find themselves either broken and expelled, or changed to match the others.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted November 06, 2015 11:37 PM |
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fred79 said:
no. politics is only about greed. if anyone virtuous were to make their way into politics, they would find themselves either broken and expelled, or changed to match the others.
That too. But they ALL say that they have this great ideal, goal, plan in mind...
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fred79
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posted November 06, 2015 11:53 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
That too. But they ALL say that they have this great ideal, goal, plan in mind...
all politics is, is power for the ego. that's why politicians never really reach a common ground on so many things, because they are all battling one another's egos. that, and their "under the table' income. you'd think that there would be a leveling-off point with greed and money, but apparently not. politicians want it all. they're far worse than "america has talent" contestants. they're all like jabba-the-huts, when it comes to greed. when i think of politicians, this creature-art comes to mind:
i wonder, if politicians were paid like u.s. school teachers, and not allowed to give themselves raises... would they continue to incessantly fight with one another on ego alone? it would be interesting to find out, i think.
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artu
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posted November 07, 2015 05:11 AM |
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Edited by artu at 05:12, 07 Nov 2015.
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Stevie said:
Murica? Corrupted?! Nah, no way in hell, totally impossible. Those are all conspiracy theories. Everyone knows from Wikipedia, BBC and other sources that Murica is the freest country in the world where people live their murican dream.
Corruption is a general concept, not a conspiracy theory, saying the US government pulled off 9/11 is though, and one of the extremely marginal ones, since it is one of those things that if they actually had a finger on it, that would be like the most top class state secret ever, yet somehow, as in most of the lame and stupid ones of those conspiracy theories, the more we read about them, the amount of people that must be in on it piles up and up and up. The investigation committees, almost all of the engineering community saying the planes alone can put the towers down, scientists who wrote books to refute the claims in detail one by one, peer viewed magazines with academic articles... Both Wikipedia and BBC are much more reliable sources compared to some Youtube guy doing "experiments" on his backyard because they quote and direct you to actual scientists (from all over the world, not just American scientists working with their government), reports, official federal hearings and everything else.
Of course, acknowledging this simple fact and realizing that most 9/11 conspiracies are absurd even when you take them at a hypothetical level because they lack a consistent, internal logic to begin with, is not saying there is no corruption whatsoever in the US government (or anywhere else for that matter). That implication is a comparison based on a fallacy. Not being an ignorant, cherry-picking conspiracy troll believer who applies to innuendos and sarcasm because of his own misguided, uneducated comparison, doesn't mean you believe the system works like a fairy tale, on the contrary, it only means you actually know what to take seriously and pick your criticism accordingly, so that it wont be buried beneath a mountain of ridiculous urban legends and post-modern mythology, that functions not much different than the classical ones: Deceiving immature minds into thinking they are wise and hard-bitten while clouding the efforts of people who actually know a little bit about how to question what is real and not.
Any perspective that evaluates the human nature in dualities of black & white is immature and raw. That's the spectrum of comic magazines. (And lately, even their rhetoric seem to improve above that narrative.) Humans are capable of both wonderful and horrible things and most of them are somewhere in between, including the politicians. Yes, politics is a dirty game, and that dirt will grow on a lot of the players but that doesn't mean we are ruled by a group of Sith lords. The very concept of evil itself lacks depth, it is both too shallow and ostentatious to understand any kind of human behavior, except for maybe sociopaths. And while there are fair arguments that the capitalist ethics and the qualities it expects from a leader rewards the sociopaths, hence, there are many in top positions, overall, sociopaths are usually estimated to be about 2-3 percent of the society. There is empathy and affection in most of us, as well as selfishness and greed. A life is tinkering with all of that package.
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Kayna
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posted November 07, 2015 06:40 AM |
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Edited by Kayna at 06:49, 07 Nov 2015.
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Well, I think believing one story or another is an extreme way of seeing things. I prefer asking myself if something is possible or not. I think the US government orchestrating September eleven as a possibility.
First, many countries used that trick before when they needed an excuse to motivate people into going to war. Create a martyr. Example of US entry into world war 1, the RMS Lusitania. German sonars could tell if a boat was carrying a lot of metal ( military grade munitions and equipment ) or not. The boat was filled with civilians on top along with tons of munitions below deck. They made trips back and forth until it was sunk and voila, we have our excuse to go to war. That boat had about one third the victims of 9-11. Not that big of a difference. If the US-British are willing to sacrifice 1 100 or so people, why not 3 000 + ?
Second, I saw a u tube video ( yes, I know! lol ) of an engineer that found a way to cut the same metal beams used in building the twin towers. He simply encased the termite in the same metal than the beam along with a fuse and because of the metal casing's shape, the thermite was directed in one direction, causing it to cut through the beam in an accurate line. Impressive guy. Also he made his termite bombs in two smaller pieces that he could join together to easily place them in said beams that had holes every X meter. I cant find the video, would be easier just to show you.
After that, you can come up with a hundred different take on september eleven, bundle them together, call them all a conspiracy theory and voila, a lot of people will disbelieve them all, the 99 fake ones and the real one together.
Either way, something my now 23 years of gang stalking has proven me, is that there are people that sees and knows evil yet look the other way every time out of fear / complete disregard of other people's lives / nationalist brainwash ; it's just a matter of finding these people and hiring them as your goons. Looking the other way is a prerequisite to find work in the government these days.
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but that doesn't mean we are ruled by a group of Sith lords.
It's just a metaphor
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artu
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posted November 07, 2015 07:47 AM |
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Edited by artu at 07:50, 07 Nov 2015.
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Second, I saw a u tube video ( yes, I know! lol ) of an engineer that found a way to cut the same metal beams used in building the twin towers. He simply encased the termite in the same metal than the beam along with a fuse and because of the metal casing's shape, the thermite was directed in one direction, causing it to cut through the beam in an accurate line. Impressive guy. Also he made his termite bombs in two smaller pieces that he could join together to easily place them in said beams that had holes every X meter. I cant find the video, would be easier just to show you.
Such things have been investigated a zillion times. There are many factors when it comes to construction, overall size, type or amount of the "same" metal, in which floors was it used and how, the same goes for the details of the fire, I won't bother listing them here, because I didn't memorize them, but I did read scientific reports the size of books directly investigating the conspiracies, just to be sure. Quite boring and less sensational than Youtube videos but actually much more reliable and informative.
Is a conspiracy possible, it's possible in the philosophical sense, just like you might have been created by a genie five seconds ago with fabricated memories. But that's not being skeptical, it's being mystical. Logically, if you use demolition, you simply don't need to fake the planes, they become a completely unnecessary risk for your plot to be detected. That's why the most internally consistent conspiracy theorists take it as far as claiming the planes did not exist at all. "It may sound ludicrous," they say, "but that's the only way it makes sense!" I don't know about you, but in an age where average people walk with cameras in their pockets, faking two commercial planes crashing into skyscrapers right in the center of a big city during broad daylight, with the intention of a black op that is supposed to stay secret forever is not much different than putting your coin on the genie I mentioned above. Besides, the U.S. does not need and never had bothered to use an excuse in the magnitude of 9/11 to invade Afghanistan or Iraq before in the first place, none of it makes the slightest sense.
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Kayna
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posted November 07, 2015 02:08 PM |
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Edited by Kayna at 14:20, 07 Nov 2015.
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artu said:
Is a conspiracy possible, it's possible in the philosophical sense, just like you might have been created by a genie five seconds ago with fabricated memories. But that's not being skeptical, it's being mystical.
But there is nothing mystical about small metal casings filled with termite and placed at specific places. You may have taken a few too many steps back there!
artu said:
Logically, if you use demolition, you simply don't need to fake the planes, they become a completely unnecessary risk for your plot to be detected.
It's a good point to investigate. Perhaps they wanted to kill as many as possible to make sure they'd have enough martyr? I'm not sure as of the why. The planes would be there as a cover up for the termite bombs in such a situation. Although I wouldn't dismiss it just because it doesn't make sense. Adding multiple sources of impact ( planes and strange explosions seen in succession before the collapse ) creates more arguments, thus more confusion because of all the different arguments, which helped create the hundred or so conspiracy theories related to september eleven. Creating a situation and making it "not make sense" simply adds a touch of confusion which is always good if you want to get away with it.
artu said:
in an age where average people walk with cameras in their pockets, faking two commercial planes crashing into skyscrapers right in the center of a big city during broad daylight, with the intention of a black op that is supposed to stay secret forever is not much different than putting your coin on the genie I mentioned above.
I've said in my previous post, creating many false stories will blend the real story, and that is their role. They will all be bundled down together as conspiracy theories and disbelieved. For example, Bill Cosby and his lawyer could find and hire a hundred traitor women to falsely accuse him of rape ; the number jumping from 35 to 135 without any of them having proof would turn his court into a farce everyone would disbelief.
artu said:
Besides, the U.S. does not need and never had bothered to use an excuse in the magnitude of 9/11 to invade Afghanistan or Iraq before in the first place, none of it makes the slightest sense.
But I've already given you an example with the WW 1 boat. Creating martyrs for an excuse to go to war is a war strategy that has been used many times throughout human history. My guess is maybe they thought it could be shut down in congress without a real terrorist attact to accompany it. The impact was so great that they bypassed congress, and one of the many reason might just be to create such a precedent. Bypassing congress to go to war is a very, very dangerous precedent that they would never have created without the help of a martyr event like 9-11. It's a precedent that might be used in the future, as a way for the darth sith lords to deal with the increasingly liberal population of the US.
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artu
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posted November 07, 2015 02:41 PM |
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The methodology of "why not, if it isn't absolutely impossible" itself is mystical. There is no evidence supported reason to assume a demolition took place, the existing conspiracies all had been investigated sufficiently. Too many people from too many cycles should be in on it, if all of that is also fake. It's not like there is a solid accusation in the first place, unlike Bill Cosby's case.
About creating false victims, I already got what you meant and that's why I mentioned the magnitude of 9/11, it's not like a military base that's blown up or a few civilians or hostages being sacrificed. For something like this you must be absolutely desperate, the situation must be hopeless, only to convince the participants, even to begin with. Look at the risk you take, if something like this ever comes out, people's trust to their own government and the international credibility of the country as a state will be way below zero for decades. Why assume something so overwhelmingly unlikely when there isn't even a balanced, assumingly reasonable motivation.
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