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artu
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posted July 21, 2016 05:04 PM |
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Well, obviously the infantry was informed about everything in the very last minute. Probably, they realized they were participating in a coup during the events or else you'll have information leaks.
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posted July 21, 2016 05:12 PM |
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The less army personnel knew, the more it makes this conspiracy theory credible. Do you know how many of them actually knew since the start?
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posted July 21, 2016 05:23 PM |
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artu said:
I fully support his vision of a Turkey that is integrated in the West, with secular, modern values.
Gotta love Brussels proselytism and arrogance, they constantly oppose to Turkey entrance in Europe -which could create a potential and promising bridge between our and the less awkward of islamic cultures, with big speeches about values and crap, yet they urge us to receive millions of refugees from countries which clearly hate Europe and what it represents.
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artu
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posted July 21, 2016 07:14 PM |
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Kayna said:
The less army personnel knew, the more it makes this conspiracy theory credible. Do you know how many of them actually knew since the start?
No.
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posted July 21, 2016 09:41 PM |
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Staged. There's no way something this convenient for that despot happened out of the blue. And he goes on to arrest judges and teachers for... what reason exactly? That they helped the army with their coup? Em, how? Or are they branded traitors just because? And what a time to get the death penalty back! But hey, whatever rocks those turkish socks, if the people are at the very least allowing this, never mind encouraging it, then they deserve the full consequences.
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artu
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posted July 21, 2016 11:20 PM |
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And he goes on to arrest judges and teachers for... what reason exactly?
That they are also part of the Gulen movement that infiltrated in such positions. I'm sure not all of them are, but it's still an opportunity for him.
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posted July 22, 2016 12:08 AM |
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It's possible that the Sultan Erdogan the Magnificent was given information of a possible impending coup and permitted it to happen. That's what I would do, with some subtle preparation of course while maintaining an appearance of ignorance & stupidity.
100% certain that he's making the best of it now that it did happen. Having a pragmatic security need to transfer 1500+ deans is obviously complete bull****.
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posted July 22, 2016 12:12 AM |
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Stevie said:
Staged. There's no way something this convenient for that despot happened out of the blue. And he goes on to arrest judges and teachers for... what reason exactly? That they helped the army with their coup? Em, how? Or are they branded traitors just because? And what a time to get the death penalty back! But hey, whatever rocks those turkish socks, if the people are at the very least allowing this, never mind encouraging it, then they deserve the full consequences.
Yeah. Military coups never happen in Turkey. There's only been like 5 or 6 of them in the 20th century or something.
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artu
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posted July 22, 2016 12:27 AM |
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Edited by artu at 02:13, 22 Jul 2016.
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There's only been like 5 or 6 of them in the 20th century or something.
There's a long tradition of janissary revolts ending up with a sultan's head on a stick but since the declaration of the Republic (1923), the successful coups are:
1960 (A similar movement to this in terms of, it was organized by low ranking officers rather than an hierarchical order.)
1971
1980
1997 (This one wasn't directly a coup, the military told the government to resign in a national security council meeting "or else..." and they did.)
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artu
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posted August 05, 2016 09:44 PM |
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Edited by artu at 21:53, 05 Aug 2016.
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I'm trying to reach to a French article just to check if it actually exists, it gives some kind of "unavailable" message.
Can someone who speaks French tell me what it says:
https://fr.sott.net/article/28679-Comment-Poutine-a-fait-echec-et-mat-au-coup-d-etat-d-Obama-en-Turquie.
The article is titled "“Comment Poutine a fait « échec et mat » au coup d'état d'Obama en Turquie” but I can't seem to reach it anywhere. The author is supposedly named Hannibal Genseric but I can't verify his existence either. Does anybody French ever heard of such a writer?
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Salamandre
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posted August 05, 2016 09:55 PM |
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artu
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posted August 05, 2016 09:57 PM |
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Who's Hannibal Genseric? Is he a credible journalist?
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posted August 05, 2016 10:01 PM |
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artu
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posted August 05, 2016 10:09 PM |
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I'm not as cynical as you are. There are still journalists who report facts. You just have to check your information from various sources and watch out for conspiracy theories.
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posted August 05, 2016 10:15 PM |
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Nope. Newspaper, real life or online need money to subsist, so they live either from current power donations or online random donors. But randomness doesn't exist when you visit a site, you search for a particular interpretation, if you don't find, you go elsewhere.
For example, HERE you have the the financial aids the french government handed to press organs. You don't expect them to underline again and again something the power in place doesn't want, right?
Then random sites do same. For example, if in this site about Hannibal, you complete the poll on "do you want France to stay or exit Europe", you will see that "pro-exit" votes are about 75%. Which shows what border are the visitors and donors.
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posted August 05, 2016 10:21 PM |
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Someone being opinionated or supported doesn't necessarily mean they are always twisting the basic facts.
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posted August 05, 2016 10:26 PM |
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Sure, I am not saying that. But you wont find any "objective" opinion, everyone, including journalists, has his own subjective opinion. Then if you only relate facts, ie "Trump had an exchange with Khan", nobody is interested, they want blood to pour, ie "Trump the clown insulted a war hero, he is done".
People prefer journalist to think for them, I believe. They don't have anymore the guts to assume an opinion.
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posted August 05, 2016 10:51 PM |
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Nobody is absolutely objective but some intend to be more objective than others. Following the foreign press about the coup, most can not grasp the scale of infiltration by Gulen. I made an analogy on Body Snatchers the other day and its not surprising to see a Turkish journalist making the exact same analogy to Independent's Patrick Cockburn. There are hundreds of military officers, attorneys, judges confessing to it. The secularists have been warning about it over a decade. Even some conservative Muslims who are not part of the movement warned about Gulen in the past, a high-ranking police officer wrote a book about it back in 2010 and suddenly he was arrested and jailed for some bogus charges about aiding a radical leftist terror cell. (That's like charging a black man for aiding Ku Klux Klan.)
Yet, somehow, the New York Times welcomes Gulen to write an article about how innocent he is, U.S. military officers give weird speeches about how the arrested officers were their allies in fighting ISIS, and U.S. is overwhelmingly redundant about extraditing him. The relationship between the U.S. and Turkey had never been worse and if it turns out they knew about this like they did about the coup in 1980, it will worsen even more.
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posted August 05, 2016 11:03 PM |
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Right now, in France you have an intensive press campaign depicting Erdogan as a despot, using any repressive way to shut and even kill members of opposition. Also they report his arrogant attitude vs Europe, then that he gave Hitler nazi Germanyas
example of the strong political system he would like to create.
Before the putsch he was their preferred mascot, given that Merkel insisted for Turkey to join EU and give free pass for millions of Turks to roam inside.
I just don't read this soup anymore.
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posted August 05, 2016 11:11 PM |
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Which is of course bull, because Turkey doesn't and didn't fulfill the prerequisites to join the EU, so that was all bogus.
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