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posted August 14, 2016 11:18 PM |
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No no, I'm sure it's both genders then and will remain so until you observe the cat by taking it out of the box and one of its genders implodes.
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posted August 14, 2016 11:28 PM |
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So if all cats are a she and you refer to a group of them in the plural ya'll, does that make ya'll a feminine pronoun or a neutral pronoun? What if one of the cats is a walrus inside of a cats body, and all walruses are masculine?
I blame the Turks for English becoming the international language. You should be ashamed of yourselves. A neo Austria-Hungarian tongue would have been much better.
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LizardWarrior
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posted August 14, 2016 11:50 PM |
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Salamandre said:
kiryu133 said:
about god damn time
Yeah, good luck about that
Okay, penalize me for this if you want, but it's the truth: you're either male, female or mentally insane.
True, you may be born hermaphrodite, but that's a rare medical condition that occurs in less than 1% of the population. Making up genders doesn't count, as well as sexual orientation doesn't define a gender, transsexualism isn't a gender neither. And you know, there is a pronoun in the English language for things that aren't one of the two genders: it/its.
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posted August 14, 2016 11:51 PM |
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"In the year of our Lord 2016, catriots of Heroesland, starving and outnumbered, charged the fields of Erwinisadog. They fought like warrior poets. They fought like Catmen. And won their freedom."
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AnkVaati
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posted August 14, 2016 11:59 PM |
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Edited by AnkVaati at 00:03, 15 Aug 2016.
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LizardWarrior said:
Salamandre said:
kiryu133 said:
about god damn time
Yeah, good luck about that
Okay, penalize me for this, but it's the truth: you're either male, female or mentally insane.
Wonder how many letter combinations can be added before they run out of letters in the alphabet? I'm a LGBTQIA-BDSMF person. Every letter is as important as the other. I want to live in a platonic relationship with a male lesbian transsexual dressed up as an icecream spider dragon queen who routinely urinates on me from zes colostomy bag. All love is equal. Don't you dare trigger me or I go to my safe space! 
LizardWarrior said:
True, you may be born hermaphrodite, but that's a rare medical condition that occurs in less than 1% of the population.
You can't fully be a hermaphrodite. You can't have a fully functioning male and female "reproduction organ" at the same time. If you want to mate with yourself, you should undergo species reassignment therapy to a prawn or something. 
People who are into this kind of stuff really need to get to know the almighty Milo Yiannopolous better: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/10/i-am-so-done-with-the-trans-outrage-brigade-why-im-supporting-drop-the-t/
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posted August 15, 2016 01:32 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
So if all cats are a she and you refer to a group of them in the plural ya'll, does that make ya'll a feminine pronoun or a neutral pronoun? What if one of the cats is a walrus inside of a cats body, and all walruses are masculine?
I blame the Turks for English becoming the international language. You should be ashamed of yourselves. A neo Austria-Hungarian tongue would have been much better.
I blame northern Italians for defeating Frederick II, we'd probably speak Sicilian in Europe if he won.
And of course I blame the Turks, and thr English, and the French, and everyone in the world.
Dammit, you were all supposed to be our servants, Sicily is the true center of the world.
And I don't get why Englishmen call females uomen, does that mean that male and females are the same thing? (Little linguistical joke that you can't get if you don't speak Sicilian)
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artu
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posted August 15, 2016 02:15 AM |
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Edited by artu at 02:17, 15 Aug 2016.
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Elvin said:
artu said:
It doesn't have grammatical gender like, say, French does but it still has the distinctive pronouns he and she. So you can say:
- I was driving down the road and this dog started chasing us. He ran along the car until he got out of breath.
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- I couldn't sleep at all last night. There was this stray cat up on the roof and she made these wild noises all night long.
Just like you could reverse them?
Yes, but the question is, would you.
Galaad said:
I've already met both female dogs and male cats so this poll confuses me.
Even though it has a an option just for the confused.
artu said:
If you buy this album as an LP and play it backwards, it will reveal a secret message and you will understand the point.Quote:
So this was all an add then?
Actually, I didn't know the song existed when I opened the poll but I was sure somebody made something of that sort so I googled it to mess around with you. Here's another one I've just dug:Chevy Chase
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OhforfSake
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posted August 15, 2016 01:05 PM |
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Btw. I recall an instructor I once had who used 'he' about computers.
It always did sound wrong to me.
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GunFred
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posted August 15, 2016 01:46 PM |
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My dogs have all been boys and my sister's, as well as my grandmother's cat are females. Therefore ALL dogs must be male and all cats must be female.
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posted August 15, 2016 07:41 PM |
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artu said:
The_Polyglot said:
English doesn't have grammatical gender, so the question does not make sense.
It doesn't have grammatical gender like, say, French does but it still has the distinctive pronouns he and she. So you can say:
- I was driving down the road and this dog started chasing us. He ran along the car until he got out of breath.
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- I couldn't sleep at all last night. There was this stray cat up on the roof and she made these wild noises all night long.
Yup. It is a matter of social convention, and it's pointless to speculate what would be different if it changed, because it's almost guaranteed not to change, ever. Therefore the question does not make sense.
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Neraus
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posted August 15, 2016 08:41 PM |
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Habit is a great beast.
Italian was born basically because people kept botching latin words, so instead of changing latin they kept changong until they invented Italian.
A similar process should apply to the birth of all romance languages as I understand.
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Miru
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posted August 15, 2016 09:11 PM |
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Edited by Miru at 21:41, 15 Aug 2016.
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Maurice said:
The question is whether the cat is in the box or not. If it's in, you can't tell the gender .
Actually its a super position of both genders until you open the box.
God I can't believe people put so much effort into gender issues. Bisexual is like a tenth of the population, gays are about 2% (if you read the fine print on studies that say more than 4, their definition of gay is a lot more broad than it should be) and about .3% of the population is trans. Lets compare that to unemployment, which is big*. That means a relatively huge fraction of the population that can't get a job. What's worse, being called he instead of ze and not being able to get a marriage license, or having no income living off of your parents and not being able to start a career (even minimum wage job applications go to people with experience now)?
I'm still for gay rights and all that but I'm sick of hearing about it when we have more pressing issues as a society.
EDIT: *Upon a bit of research it is actually not clear what unemployment actually is. I can look in four different places and get five numbers. Not to mention everyone has snowed up the definition of unemployment (for example it doesn't include discouraged workers). It's certainly a lot more than 2.3% though.
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artu
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posted August 15, 2016 09:22 PM |
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Polyglot said:
Yup. It is a matter of social convention, and it's pointless to speculate what would be different if it changed, because it's almost guaranteed not to change, ever. Therefore the question does not make sense.
But I'm not speculating about the actual possibility of everybody referring to all dogs as he and all cats as she. (Obviously, no dog owner will ever refer to their breastfeeding mommy dog as a he, for example.) The poll is just a tongue-in-cheek way of asking do you agree with the general tendency to associate dog characteristics with masculine traits and cat characteristics with feminine ones.
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Neraus
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posted August 15, 2016 09:42 PM |
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And yet, I find some dog's characteristics to be female and some of cats' to be male.
And let's not forget that one of the greatest insults for a woman is calling her a dog, while there aren't insults that I know of referring to cats on men, but still on women.
Calling a man a dog isn't that effective in English, while in my lands...
Honestly, I find this trend of antromorphizing animals to be the reason why there's still a pack of stray dogs circling my neighborhood.
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Miru
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posted August 15, 2016 10:17 PM |
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You can call a woman a snow, catty, or a cougar. An older man who likes young women is just an ordinary guy though. Even the words have double standards, which is pretty snowed.
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artu
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posted August 15, 2016 10:19 PM |
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Well, if you ask my personal opinion, it is usually men who think of dogs as more masculine and cats as feminine. Mostly because dogs resemble a loyal buddy, "a stand-up guy" for obvious reasons, while cats are seen as more whimsical (vamp?) creatures. As the animal trainer of the Coen Brothers told them in the set, "the dog wants to please you but the cat only wants to please herself." Maybe, that's the same reason why women mostly treat cats like boys.
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posted August 16, 2016 01:38 AM |
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But I'd wager that dogs are needy and clingy, and need gifts to get their loyalty, I'd say those are feminine in terms of stereotypes.
Cats are independent, stubborn and sly, in stereotypes, masculine.
You can always find traits that represent a sex.
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posted August 16, 2016 02:27 AM |
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I dont think cats being perceived as feminine is very deeply embedded in culture and it could shift in less than half a century. There's Felix the Cat and Garfield. It's an antiquated term from the early 20th century but sometimes a young man of a swashbuckling/unsavory disposition can be called an alley cat. Again, these are images associated with rogue, independent, lawless, etc., all of which carry a masculine image.
But you also have crazy cat ladies: middle aged women that have like 4+ cats in their home because they keep adopting them.
You can easily find stereotypically "masculine" and "feminine" traits in almost anything. I am not part of the camp that believes gender is meaningless because there are very real, empirical differences between men and women that go beyond merely the external, and denying such is, in my opinion, dark age thinking that masquerades itself as being something new. On the other hand, human beings are extremely complex and flexible creatures and setting up rigid stereotypes on how men and women allegedly ought to behave is just as damning. Each person's temperament exists on a gradient and there is no such thing as a polemic between 'masculine' and 'feminine'.
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artu
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posted August 16, 2016 04:31 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
You can easily find stereotypically "masculine" and "feminine" traits in almost anything. I am not part of the camp that believes gender is meaningless because there are very real, empirical differences between men and women that go beyond merely the external, and denying such is, in my opinion, dark age thinking that masquerades itself as being something new. On the other hand, human beings are extremely complex and flexible creatures and setting up rigid stereotypes on how men and women allegedly ought to behave is just as damning. Each person's temperament exists on a gradient and there is no such thing as a polemic between 'masculine' and 'feminine'.
In general, this is pretty much my stance about it, too, + 1. To deny the very obvious existence of some differences in the name of political correctness seems like dogmatic blindness and social construct is not enough to explain all the differences, there are also neurological ones and they are not insignificant. Yet, these differences are not about what we're capable of but rather about how we approach things and they shouldn't be used as an excuse to lay groundwork for stereotyping or discrimination.
I don't think cats are independent in a traditional masculine sense btw, they don't oppose you directly, they go behind your back, they are crafty or sneaky. So, that is more like a woman operating under patriarchy. And I also think, under the right social conditions, women can be much more independent than men. Usually, in old age for example, when the wife dies first, men feel helpless and clueless, they also die shortly afterwards, it's quite a common case. If the husband dies first, most women can handle themselves much better in comparison.
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posted August 16, 2016 05:40 AM |
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I think qualities that are social constructs are: courage, independence, and irrationality (a negative stereotype). There are probably a few others.
I think some qualities (or tendencies) that are not social constructs but inherit to the gender are: micromanagement vs delegation; project oriented vs multitasking; suppression vs expression; implicit affection vs explicit affection. There are some others.
I think maybe a sliver or truth to women being 'irrational' (though I feel hesitant to use the word) is that their maternal nature can occasionally be protective to a fault.
i. e. If youre a kid playing with the kid next door and you accidentally give him a black eye, if you are wise you will gamble speaking to the father and stay the hell away from the mom.
But yes, these differences can easily be twisted into tools for discrimination or making people fall into cookie cut lines simply because of certain tendencies here and there.
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