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tSar-Ivor
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posted May 08, 2017 09:46 PM

To be fair though Ver if they did go full authoratarian then they'd just discredit themselves, once that happened even the moderates and the free-loaders of HC would get involved regardless of how things started.
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fred79
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posted May 08, 2017 09:53 PM
Edited by fred79 at 21:57, 08 May 2017.

Minion said:

Quote:

you can ban me(anyone). i'll(or anyone here can) create another account. you can ban THAT account. i'll(or anyone here can) create another one. you can ban my(anyone's) ip address. i'll(or anyone here can) get another one(and another, and another, and another). you can even ban my(or anyone's) mac address. i'll(or anyone here can) just use another computer. ad infinitum.

you getting the picture yet?


Seriously, anyone of you who would have given the RESPONSIBILITY of being a moderator on this site, would you not have acted? There is no bias, there is one very destructive member, and for the fun and joy he has given us, he is now waging a war on this entire forum and and the moderators. Wake up. This is just a power struggle, and don't waste your breath on this paranoic suicide mission that fred is on.


i already addressed this in the paragraph that i deleted in my last post(i had forgotten about that part): i wasn't upset because of the silence(i expected SOME response because of my threat; as that would only make sense); i was upset because, BEFORE that, i was penalyzed for a word that isn't in the word filter; and wasn't worth penalyzing in the first place, as that post had been made in jest, regardless. and also because, i had tried to get mods and val himself to add more offensive words to the wordfilter, and i was ignored/denied by everyone i was addressing, even BEFORE that.

THAT paragraph, that you posted, was in RESPONSE to the bullsnow targeting penalty that occurred right BEFORE it. because i felt i was being pushed into a corner by the mods.

AND, i DIDN'T follow through with the threat. read the thread, please. it will tell you everything you need to know.

btw, your bias is showing.

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tSar-Ivor
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posted May 08, 2017 10:05 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 22:14, 08 May 2017.

We could always have age ratings for certain sections, but seeing how my 7yr old sis is studying human anatomy/breeding in school sex-ed, fred's stuff is entirely mild compared to that. Though personally I don't really mind, I consider all forms of authority to be illegitimate whether democratic or w/e. The CoC has zero affect on my decision making, but so far I've generally been a good-boy as far as our imperial masters are concerned despite skirting the rules a few times (both official and those conjured up by our de-facto overlord Cor). I am an anarchist afterall.

Anarchists can live in harmony with authority to a point. When you do conflict with authority you will be repressed, driven into a corner and eventually you will commit suicide or fight (since this is a virtual suicide would equate to leaving forever, maybe even causing a little mayhem on the way out, irl this would be very similar - Ravachol cames to mind). It's natural really, but you could change if you wanted to, others like forfy and blizzy and others did somehow kick their "bad" spells (bad defined by CoC standards).

In all honesty do whatever feels right and stick to it, just make sure you go to the grave with a big grin and no regrets buddy. <3
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Minion
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posted May 08, 2017 10:08 PM

Nope, honestly you are one of the funniest guys on the forum.

I'm just saying that if I was a moderator, I would be FORCED to take action against such threats that you made. If I didn't, I would have let Val down.

Look, there is nothing I can say if you honestly think that the moderators of this place are out to get you. But maybe you could see that this has been an awful escalation of things..

I love crude talk myself, heck I am known to be the nastiest of my group of friends... But maybe a detailed description of what you would do to a female lower parts to make them cum is going too far on this forum? Is it too much to ask?

I would introduce a new set of rules that maybe more sex related talk is allowed but I think going into details is indeed like Corribus said... a bit too vulgar. That is the current CoC but maybe it can be upgraded (since population is clearly older than what it was) that you don't have to leave.

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posted May 08, 2017 10:10 PM

Maurice said:
JollyJoker said:
Vulgarity is in the eye of the beholder, ...


Quoted for truth... (wall of text)


But you don't answer the question, though.

To make this more tangible, take This thread, where you are supposed to post fraky dreams.
Now, I've had more than a few that qualify, but say I've had a VERY freaky sex dream involving fantasy creatures and a couple of very bizarre, but also very interesting details, and let's say I've told that dream - would I get a penalty for telling it in anatomic detail or not?

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Minion
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posted May 08, 2017 10:11 PM

Yes you would.

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Stevie
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posted May 08, 2017 10:11 PM

fred79 said:
i'm shortening the bulk of this post to point out that i feel almost certain that stevie had an active hand in all this.


I read what fueled that certainty before you edited it out and I raise you my own certainty that you are absolutely wrong. I don't know what you're trying to achieve with those kind of wild accusations, but apart from them reflecting something back at you, you're also making it really hard for me to keep neutral instead of taking it personally.
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posted May 08, 2017 10:12 PM
Edited by Galaad at 22:25, 08 May 2017.

Fred I don't think you've been penalized simply for using the word "clit", but rather for the fact you've been posting risky comments frequently and shortly after your penalty about fantasies on chocolate Lady Liberty (). While I agree the penalty for that thread was overkill (I agree with Artu saying strong warning in red with closing thread would have been enough) but well, it is how it is. Maybe you didn't do it on purpose, but certainly the mods felt provoked in that lapse of time, maybe they felt you were playing with them I don't know man, you can be pretty abstract at times.

It is possible there is a lot of misunderstandings in this case and it would be for the best imo to start settle things and you guys make peace. I understand this is a difficult situation for mods and while they may have not acted with the best diplomacy, very likely you're not 100% innocent either. I mean it is just absurd that a group of mods suddenly jump at you for no reason, there is no personal gain for them in doing this, you must have triggered them somehow, intentionally or not.

Like I said, my guess is mods felt provoked by your reaction after the Liberty penalty and understandably you were upset by it in the first place, then things escalated and possibly you created a tad of chaos and mods started to panic a bit.

I am sure you guys can work it out and that you can keep on hanging out without getting more in trouble, give the benefit of doubts to the mods and see how things turn out if you make a little effort in putting a little less SEX in your SEX posts and see how it goes?
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tSar-Ivor
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posted May 08, 2017 10:17 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 22:26, 08 May 2017.

JollyJoker said:


But you don't answer the question, though.

To make this more tangible, take This thread, where you are supposed to post fraky dreams.
Now, I've had more than a few that qualify, but say I've had a VERY freaky sex dream involving fantasy creatures and a couple of very bizarre, but also very interesting details, and let's say I've told that dream - would I get a penalty for telling it in anatomic detail or not?


Eh? Look at the 'dream talk' thread, no you wouldn't. I'm pretty sure I've put some funky dreams in that thread with details.

Gotta remember it's all within reason, the mods aren't robots and the law is not written in stone, do whatever you want, if you come into conflict at least you will be warned first, then change or carry on, up to you.
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fred79
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posted May 08, 2017 10:35 PM
Edited by fred79 at 22:51, 08 May 2017.

i want to point out very quickly that i'm not trying to cause discontent, or a rift, or anything of the sort. if i'm not mistaken i already stated that previously(in the op as well?). i'm only addressing what is wrong, and then explaining that that is why i'm leaving.

i have to continue reading to further respond, but i really wanted to nip that in the bud before anything else. i'm not out to cause chaos, if i was going to do that, i'd do it using the threats i did earlier. which i'm obviously not going to do, because as much fun as that might be, it'd be childish and only play into my opposition's(because that's what it snowing IS) hands.

now that that's out of the way, i'll read the rest and respond to anything i didn't read yet.
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JollyJoker said:
To make this more tangible, take This thread, where you are supposed to post fraky dreams.
Now, I've had more than a few that qualify, but say I've had a VERY freaky sex dream involving fantasy creatures and a couple of very bizarre, but also very interesting details, and let's say I've told that dream - would I get a penalty for telling it in anatomic detail or not?


and here's another good point. i posted a sexually-oriented dream in the dream thread a while back. nothing happened with it, despite the fact that it goes into detail.

likewise, regarding omega's penalties over my initial rage post... i'd like to present exhibits a-z: "mr. kink" and his escapades. very violent and full of rage, indeed. and again, nothing there. no penalties, no warnings...

as has been said, i've posted far worse, and not even a warning. now, when i'm penalyzed, you guys wonder why i'm surprised, when i've posted WORSE, and NO WARNING for the ACTUAL penalty. and if i WAS warned(see the paragraph below), it was for something even MORE insignificant than what i was actually penalyzed for. so, when it comes to penalties being given to me, why do you not just delete the post, or ask me to, or even GET ME TO EXPLAIN MYSELF, thus PREVENTING a penalty?

so, i ask you, why do i get penalties for rage-filled posts, and for the word "clit", when i have posted much worse, without anything even resembling a warning? strike that, a SENSIBLE warning that wasn't just targeting(referring to maurice here, in a warning he issued to me in the vw[i believe] over something insignificant, that was shot down by every member who read it)?

and if you moderators are here to "uphold the peace of the community", then why don't any of you actually LISTEN to the community you're supposedly trying to protect? it's a simple question.

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Minion
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posted May 08, 2017 11:01 PM

As it has been said by Maurice a dozen times, it is a continued provocation that is penalyzed, not a single act. A songle act the mods gladly let slide.

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fred79
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posted May 08, 2017 11:02 PM

Stevie said:
fred79 said:
i'm shortening the bulk of this post to point out that i feel almost certain that stevie had an active hand in all this.


I read what fueled that certainty before you edited it out and I raise you my own certainty that you are absolutely wrong. I don't know what you're trying to achieve with those kind of wild accusations, but apart from them reflecting something back at you, you're also making it really hard for me to keep neutral instead of taking it personally.


i edited the post, because i'm not 100% sure as to your willful intent in what has transpired thus far. irregardless nevertheless, as was pointed out, your voice in this has been anything BUT neutral. it's CLEAR that you have a personal problem with me. what remains to be seen(and probably never will be unless any entity OF that party steps forward to come clean), is whether or not you actively conspired against me, using the mods. which, i still think you did. you don't reverse friendships that fast, when you AREN'T someone more easily defined as a snake-in-the-grass.

when we left off with the hcm's over the rage issue, you made it clear to me that you still wanted to be friends. and i said ok. but then AFTER that, you were anything but.

so, you wish me to believe you're not someone who is subversive? how CAN i believe otherwise, exactly? this is, of course, including information i derived from the pattern i saw regarding you and the mods, in the "who's online" hc feature.

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fred79
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posted May 08, 2017 11:05 PM

Minion said:
As it has been said by Maurice a dozen times, it is a continued provocation that is penalyzed, not a single act. A songle act the mods gladly let slide.


i'm only warned WHEN i'm penalyzed, is my point. who else can say that that happens to them? by my last count, no one.

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posted May 08, 2017 11:18 PM
Edited by fred79 at 23:19, 08 May 2017.

@ tsar, in case i get ninja'd: lol, so you're saying i was making the community unstable, then? how, exactly? i had THOUGHT i was only entertaining people? i mean, WASN'T i?

you know, all i'm seeing by the people dissenting against me(not saying you, tsar, obviously), is simple demonizing of my character. like my GOAL is to break the c.o.c.  like my GOAL is to disrupt the community. like my GOAL is to cause disharmony with my posts and my outrage over these penalties, and to call these ridiculous penalties by people with a grudge against me, CONSPIRACIES. as in "it's just a conspiracy theory, you're just paranoid, fred".

the evidence of what i'm saying, speaks for itself. the evidence of my character, speaks for itself. all i ever wanted to do was entertain people. and from these penalities, all i see is targeting. i never get a warning. my only warning COMES when i'm penalyzed. and it's NOT how every other member is DISCIPLINED by moderators.


edit: damnit tsar, you deleted the post.

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tSar-Ivor
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posted May 08, 2017 11:21 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 23:32, 08 May 2017.

Woops sorry .

Anyhow my response was mainly at the word peace that's why I responded, peace is the absence of violence, since mods obviously make use of both structural and personal violence they can't possibly be upholding peace, that would be a paradox (please dont make me define them It'll come more than all the rest of the posts combined in this thread).

The stability of HC is not really threatened, your number has been called. I mean honestly, who stood up for Herry or Titus when they joined and had no faults to them except being new, singled out and targets of unprovoked ridicule and teasing and voila they turned hostile and provided us with our periodical drama. While I would prefer you not to go, it would be immoral of me to keep you where you no longer feel at home.
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posted May 08, 2017 11:41 PM

fred, I don't know if the mods warned you or not before, they say they did countless times, you say you get penalized out of the blue. Most probably, they think in a continuity with previous events and you consider those events irrelevant stuff that happened months or weeks ago.

But to say they penalized you more harshly or quickly than they should and that was unjust is one thing, to say they are doing it out of some hidden grudge with an agenda is another thing. That's where your train of thought takes a conspritive jump and that's when you start making wild accusations, aggravating them. Why would Corribus (the one who gave the penalty) have a grudge against you, the guy doesn't even post in here anymore, how much can it matter to him that you post this or that to have some grudge against you? He's a 40 year old man who has a kid ffs, do you think he goes to bed thinking "Oh, somehow I'm gonna nail fred on the wall, one of these days!" Get real, dude.

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posted May 08, 2017 11:49 PM
Edited by fred79 at 00:06, 09 May 2017.

@ tsar: to be honest, i can't even remember why herry was disliked(i don't know titus). i understand why frostysh has been catching flak, but as you can see by my last group of posts to him, i was actually enjoying a kind of repertoire with him; my distaste for his posting had been obliterated. he stopped posting pictures of abused animals, and i stopped thinking of him like a bad guy. to be honest, i had forgotten entirely about the whole abused-animal thing, the more i played around. and the mods didn't do anything about him regarding that(aside from delete his posts/pictures and WARN him[hint, hint; mods]).

now, if someone can post pictures of actual living creatures in a state of abuse and not get penalyzed(now that i remember that), how is it that someone can post a simple phrase, or discuss a certain topic in an adult fashion(without posting nudity or sex stories[which i've DONE, btw; only ONE of which was penalyzed for before], and get penalyzed without warning?

this question, and the other one i asked, is still open, mods. two simple questions, with what SHOULD be two simple answers. i'll wait. i'm not antagonizing anything here, i just genuinely want to know how you can answer this without revealing your true intentions.

edit: ninja'd.

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posted May 09, 2017 12:05 AM

artu said:
fred, I don't know if the mods warned you or not before, they say they did countless times, you say you get penalized out of the blue. Most probably, they think in a continuity with previous events and you consider those events irrelevant stuff that happened months or weeks ago.

But to say they penalized you more harshly or quickly than they should and that was unjust is one thing, to say they are doing it out of some hidden grudge with an agenda is another thing. That's where your train of thought takes a conspritive jump and that's when you start making wild accusations, aggravating them. Why would Corribus (the one who gave the penalty) have a grudge against you, the guy doesn't even post in here anymore, how much can it matter to him that you post this or that to have some grudge against you? He's a 40 year old man who has a kid ffs, do you think he goes to bed thinking "Oh, somehow I'm gonna nail fred on the wall, one of these days!" Get real, dude.


i AM being real, artu. you don't remember my rough past with cor, apparently. you don't remember when he ADMITTED to "letting his personal views on me cloud his judgment"(his words).

i was only warned WHEN i was penalyzed. meaning, here's the penalty, and HERE'S why.

as for your second paragraph, first sentence: why do you THINK they would penalyze me more harshly or quickly, if it were NOT for some hidden grudge? again, you answer your own question, and i don't see how you miss it. besides that simple and straightforward explanation, i have had trouble with cor before on a personal level. he has ADMITTED it(which is why i still hold him in higher regard than maurice, because maurice just won't admit it). the reason i know that maurice has a personal grudge, is because after the two penalties that omega gave me for my rage posts(which again, "mr. kink"/"jack" stories topped EASILY, without even so much as a "don't post stuff like that, fred" in any of them), maurice started an hcm convo with me(just like stevie; and just like stevie, they both became my apparent enemies afterward, even though i didn't express hatred towards either of them, but merely explained my case then), and we disagreed perspectively. since then, maurice has been trying to target me(as was seen in his threats over pretty much nothing at all; wish i had a link, but i think it was deleted in the vw long ago; and by other postings of his as well).

tl;dr: i pay attention. i know when i am disliked, just as much as i know when i am liked. i remember when someone is trying to target me, and i remember when i HAVE been targeted before.

the accusations i make, are anything BUT wild, artu. i don't MAKE accusations, when i'm not sure. and if i'm wrong and i discover myself to be, i make amends. i can't say the same for my opposition. because, artu, opposition is what i HAVE. it's what i'm ADDRESSING. you SHOULD NOT hold grudges and use your powers as a mod against someone simply because you don't like them. and that's what i'm seeing. because my "warnings" ARE PENALTIES.

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posted May 09, 2017 12:55 AM

Stevie said:


Look man, real talk. In your first reply, you essentially accused the mods that they're unwilling to listen which is completely false, the publicly dismiss part was a silent call out aimed at Maurice, you proposed a pardon from a majority feel which is a fallacy, and this part especially - "but surely some of you must sit down reading this and think what the hell? Give the guy a break, a warning would have sufficed, not this rubbish that has been said", was completely unwarranted and didn't sit right with me at all. You then excuse it with a disclaimer, but come on, do you build up on the criticism and then just excuse it that way? Overall, I got the feeling that you missed out on a whole lot of what transpired and that you wanted to have a say anyway, in that form and with that attitude.


I have that attitude because I WAS Fred, albeit maybe slightly worse. I was him once and on the verge of getting banned. I sympathise and like to be there for people when they aren't necessarily going down a particularly good path, especially on a forum, for instance. I see the flip side in that a majority are sick of his behaviour but then feel for him as he probably thinks what he is doing is the right thing to do hence why I said just warn him. As for the moderators I only said unwilling to listen based on posts here. I know they have listened ad nauseum in private messages and so on.

In my first post I was not having a go at anybody, it's just the way that I speak.
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posted May 09, 2017 12:57 AM

I personally think it is a bad idea and even unfair to go down the slippery slope of enforcing vulgarity and so called "family friendliness" unless it is clear cut in the rules and can be pinned down, bear in mind that the CoC and even Heroes Community were founded when puritanism and the backwards "think of the children" mentality was much more rife and normalized in the western world, however in 2017 I would say internet culture has for sure become more mature and moved on a bit from such Victorian nonsense lol

this cultural glitch really stemmed from zealots with nothing better to do who are fading away over time as our society slowly grows up out of the dark ages,
after all how stupid do we think children are, bear in mind it is the internet, does anyone think a reasonable family will care or will any reasonable person will be valid to persecute another merely for posting harmless text describing something to do with one's genitals, for sure a clear cut case like posting pornography is far too much but if I or other posters would talk or joke about genitals or sexual issues for whatever reason without harming anybody, the only rational thing is to allow to do that else it is very subjective and open to interpretation what actually deserves a punishment or not, prioritising one person's unreasonable values over another's lol

for sure it is Valreiy's forum and in that respect I do not question a rule but I am merely saying the concept of the rule is way past its sell by date lol
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